Vista - Saying byebye to Vista...

Hi All,

I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
XP or start migrating to Vista.

After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
see over XP Pro..

Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..


Anyone else have the same conclusion?

A.

No like most users I suspect, I find Vista to be a very good
upgrade. It works like a champ.
I am skeptical when I read these bsods in vista. It signals to me
you are a major tweaker as no large OEM like dell hp is going to
send you a system that bsods. I built my own boxes with xp and
vista and never had a bsod. not once. 2 "main" network cards?
that's my first clue.
I doubt the typical user you support would have any such issues
with Vista.


"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <adrian.marsh@_removeme_ubiquisys.com>
wrote in message news:464303AA.5090904@_removeme_ubiquisys.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of
> an XP
> network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it
> out with
> XP or start migrating to Vista.
>
> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta
> work last
> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients
> over (other
> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there
> that I can
> see over XP Pro..
>
> Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily
> BSODs, even
> though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the
> network card
> changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network
> cards in
> my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as
> their status
> until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC
> unreachable
> from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting
> system is
> sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for
> them..
>
>
> Anyone else have the same conclusion?
>
> A.

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Adrian Marsh (NNTP) wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
> network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
> XP or start migrating to Vista.
>
> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
> see over XP Pro..
>
> Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
> though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
> changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
> my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
> until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
> from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
> sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..
>
>
> Anyone else have the same conclusion?
>
> A.


Nope. I just upgraded another of our computers to Vista, yesterday.

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Helpful report. Experience is the best teacher. I am only a few weeks into
Vista and find it not as stable as XP. But I remember XP had some teething
pains too. Hopefully all of us users can help get the bugs out.

Jim

"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
> network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
> XP or start migrating to Vista.
>
> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
> see over XP Pro..
>
> Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
> though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
> changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
> my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
> until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
> from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
> sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..
>
>
> Anyone else have the same conclusion?
>
> A.
>

On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:36:10 +0100, Adrian Marsh (NNTP) wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
> network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
> XP or start migrating to Vista.
>
> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
> see over XP Pro..
>
> Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
> though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
> changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
> my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
> until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
> from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
> sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..
>
>
> Anyone else have the same conclusion?
>
> A.

Yes. I've been advising clients for some time to wait, at least, for SP1 -
I'll reevaluate when it's delivered.

On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:53:19 -0400, mj wrote:

> No like most users I suspect, I find Vista to be a very good
> upgrade. It works like a champ.
> I am skeptical when I read these bsods in vista. It signals to me
> you are a major tweaker as no large OEM like dell hp is going to
> send you a system that bsods. I built my own boxes with xp and
> vista and never had a bsod. not once. 2 "main" network cards?
> that's my first clue.

So vista is not designed to handle 2 network cards? That seems like a very
reasonable thing to me.


> I doubt the typical user you support would have any such issues
> with Vista.
>
>
> "Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <adrian.marsh@_removeme_ubiquisys.com>
> wrote in message news:464303AA.5090904@_removeme_ubiquisys.com...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of
>> an XP
>> network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it
>> out with
>> XP or start migrating to Vista.
>>
>> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta
>> work last
>> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients
>> over (other
>> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there
>> that I can
>> see over XP Pro..
>>
>> Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily
>> BSODs, even
>> though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the
>> network card
>> changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network
>> cards in
>> my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as
>> their status
>> until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC
>> unreachable
>> from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting
>> system is
>> sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for
>> them..
>>
>>
>> Anyone else have the same conclusion?
>>
>> A.

ray wrote:

>
> So vista is not designed to handle 2 network cards? That seems like a very
> reasonable thing to me.

Really? Well that's not true cause I can run Vista as a router using two
nic's and enabling Internet sharing.
Frank

Adrian Marsh (NNTP) wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
> network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
> XP or start migrating to Vista.
>
> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
> see over XP Pro..
>
> Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
> though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
> changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
> my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
> until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
> from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
> sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..
>
>
> Anyone else have the same conclusion?
>
> A.

Yes, wait until at least after SP1 for Vista and the Logo program gets
straightened out (but I'm not holding my breath). While waiting, you
may consider to try a linux live cd of your choice.

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Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"It would be nice if there was a check to see if you were running an
activated/validated version of Windows before you were allowed to post
in any
of these news groups. If you're not activated/validated your post
automatically gets deleted.
That would get rid of the Linsux Luzzzzzzzzers once and for all."

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- T. S. Eliot

Adrian Marsh (NNTP) wrote:
>
> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
> see over XP Pro..

As a general rule you dont move clients over to a new MS OS until at
least version2 is out.

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"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <adrian.marsh@_removeme_ubiquisys.com> wrote in
message news:464303AA.5090904@_removeme_ubiquisys.com...
> Hi All,
>
> I've finally decided to move back to XP. I'm a domain admin of an XP
> network, and needed to test Vista to see if we should stick it out with
> XP or start migrating to Vista.
>
> After 2 months of working with Vista Business (and some beta work last
> year), I can't see any great reason why I would move clients over (other
> than long-term support view). Theres no new features in there that I can
> see over XP Pro..
>
> Personally, I've found Vista unstable. I have almost daily BSODs, even
> though I've "vista signed" drivers. My biggest gripe is the network card
> changes in Vista. When Vista does BSOD, the two main network cards in
> my PC become firewalled with "Identifying.." permenantly as their status
> until I manually disable/enable them. This makes my own PC unreachable
> from the network. I've over 250 "faults" that the reporting system is
> sending back to MS, but I don't see any fixes coming though for them..
>
>
> Anyone else have the same conclusion?
>
> A.

No, actually, I find Vista very stable in fact, I have not seen a BSOD since
I got rid of XP/MCE That DID BSOD on a regular basis.
I have seen a 10 to 15 second REDUCTION in my startup/shutdown times and a
70 to 90 % reduction in the time my programs take to open.

Maybe I am lucky, maybe I am one of the millions who are NOT having problems
with Vista compared to the hundreds who post here.
BTW I am NOT running 64 bit so I don't have much in the way of driver
problems and I do not have a Asus (sp?) main board or a Nvidia video card.

I do remember though when XP first came out it was nothing but driver
problem after driver problem and people refusing to support it (including
MSN, who told me it was not compatible with XP), I had to buy a new scanner,
printer, DSL modem & several software programs.

For Vista, I did replace my A/V software & Paperport for Vista versions but
I am running some older software without problem including Word Perfect 9, I
do want to obtain some basic cd burning software, I had Nero but really
don't want to pay for a bunch of features I will never use.

As far as activation goes, have you bought any software from Nuance lately?
try looking at the activation requirements for Paperport or PDF converter
Nuance required my to send them a copy of my reciept, a copy of the disc &
my I.D. before they would let me move PDF converter from the old (broken)
computer to the new one.