Vista - Activation After BIOS Update

Mike Hall MVP wrote:
> I came across a BIOS update for a Gigabyte board three years ago stating
> that Windows would have to be re-installed after the update.. the
> changes were enough that it as good as constituted a different computer..

False as false can be. Neither the BIOS nor the Mobo are mentioned in
either the retail or generic OEM EULA. What you did what *update* ONE
computer.

Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f1vc73$lfh$1@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>>> It makes a note of the BIOS make and version.. when YOU updated the
>>> BIOS, the details that the OS had noted will have changed, so the
>>> installation assumes it is on a different computer, and therefore
>>> requires activation..
>>
>> The fact is, though, it isn't a different computer and the activation
>> is therefore FLAWED and should be discontinued!
>>
>> Alias
>

Doris Day - MFB wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>>> It makes a note of the BIOS make and version.. when YOU updated the
>>> BIOS, the details that the OS had noted will have changed, so the
>>> installation assumes it is on a different computer, and therefore
>>> requires activation..
>> The fact is, though, it isn't a different computer and the activation is
>> therefore FLAWED and should be discontinued!
>>
>> Alias
>
> Yep, MickeyMouse users have to be very careful about mod'ing their systems.
> A BIOS update or a new case fan can bring the wraith of Ballmer on you!
>
> Love and Kisses,
> Doris
>

What's hard to understand is how some of the people here think that it's
normal.

Alias

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it as an HP before the restore disks will work.

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"Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Based on the many forum messages about activation, it appears that no one
> outside of an appropriate Microsoft group really knows the details of the
> activation process.
> It is likely that OEM installations involve some Microsoft operating
> system related customization of the BIOS, but I agree that this may not be
> correct.
> A number of people have independently confirmed that a BIOS upgrade may
> require a re-activation. The BIOS changes that might trigger a
> re-activation are unknown to me.
>
> On a slightly different subject, we have done a "bare metal" (Microsoft's
> definition, not mine) restore after using Windows Server 2007's "Backup",
> which, incidentally, is a great program. I am ashamed to say that I don't
> remember if this restore required an activation. I was so pleased that it
> worked flawlessly that I didn't pay attention to a possible activation
> request.
> An interesting question is whether or not such a restore would work if
> there had been a significant hardware change; for example, replacing a
> motherboard. I do know that that you must have the same number of hard
> drives and that each of these must have a capacity equal to or greater
> that that of the original drives. There may be some additional technical
> limitations.

Alias

I made no reference to the OEM EULA.. I merely pointed out that Gigabyte
released a BIOS for one of the older PIII machines that required Windows to
be re-installed..

I have no idea what any of your post was about.. you are obviously tired..


"Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20kfk$571$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>> I came across a BIOS update for a Gigabyte board three years ago stating
>> that Windows would have to be re-installed after the update.. the changes
>> were enough that it as good as constituted a different computer..
>
> False as false can be. Neither the BIOS nor the Mobo are mentioned in
> either the retail or generic OEM EULA. What you did what *update* ONE
> computer.
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f1vc73$lfh$1@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>>>> It makes a note of the BIOS make and version.. when YOU updated the
>>>> BIOS, the details that the OS had noted will have changed, so the
>>>> installation assumes it is on a different computer, and therefore
>>>> requires activation..
>>>
>>> The fact is, though, it isn't a different computer and the activation is
>>> therefore FLAWED and should be discontinued!
>>>
>>> Alias
>>

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Mike Hall MVP wrote:
> Alias
>
> I made no reference to the OEM EULA.. I merely pointed out that Gigabyte
> released a BIOS for one of the older PIII machines that required Windows
> to be re-installed..
>
> I have no idea what any of your post was about.. you are obviously tired..

You wrote, and I quote: "constituted a new computer".

Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20kfk$571$1@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>>> I came across a BIOS update for a Gigabyte board three years ago
>>> stating that Windows would have to be re-installed after the update..
>>> the changes were enough that it as good as constituted a different
>>> computer..
>>
>> False as false can be. Neither the BIOS nor the Mobo are mentioned in
>> either the retail or generic OEM EULA. What you did what *update* ONE
>> computer.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f1vc73$lfh$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>>>>> It makes a note of the BIOS make and version.. when YOU updated the
>>>>> BIOS, the details that the OS had noted will have changed, so the
>>>>> installation assumes it is on a different computer, and therefore
>>>>> requires activation..
>>>>
>>>> The fact is, though, it isn't a different computer and the
>>>> activation is therefore FLAWED and should be discontinued!
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>

Robert, there is NO customizing of the BIOS when Windows installs.. however,
some OEM recovery sets look for a range of BIOS' that determine make and
feature set.. this is done by the manufacturer of the computer, not MS, and
is called BIOS locking..

Vista compiles an inventory of the hardware on which it is first installed,
and then combines the inventory and key code used.. if there are any major
changes at the point of re-installation, an activation notice is given..
sometimes, the system makes mistakes, but rarely..


"Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Based on the many forum messages about activation, it appears that no one
> outside of an appropriate Microsoft group really knows the details of the
> activation process.
> It is likely that OEM installations involve some Microsoft operating
> system related customization of the BIOS, but I agree that this may not be
> correct.
> A number of people have independently confirmed that a BIOS upgrade may
> require a re-activation. The BIOS changes that might trigger a
> re-activation are unknown to me.
>
> On a slightly different subject, we have done a "bare metal" (Microsoft's
> definition, not mine) restore after using Windows Server 2007's "Backup",
> which, incidentally, is a great program. I am ashamed to say that I don't
> remember if this restore required an activation. I was so pleased that it
> worked flawlessly that I didn't pay attention to a possible activation
> request.
> An interesting question is whether or not such a restore would work if
> there had been a significant hardware change; for example, replacing a
> motherboard. I do know that that you must have the same number of hard
> drives and that each of these must have a capacity equal to or greater
> that that of the original drives. There may be some additional technical
> limitations.

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http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Alias, why did you miss out the words I used that help to qualify the words
that you selected from my original post?


"Alias" <aka@notthereorhere.cn> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>> Alias
>>
>> I made no reference to the OEM EULA.. I merely pointed out that Gigabyte
>> released a BIOS for one of the older PIII machines that required Windows
>> to be re-installed..
>>
>> I have no idea what any of your post was about.. you are obviously
>> tired..
>
> You wrote, and I quote: "constituted a new computer".
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20kfk$571$1@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>>>> I came across a BIOS update for a Gigabyte board three years ago
>>>> stating that Windows would have to be re-installed after the update..
>>>> the changes were enough that it as good as constituted a different
>>>> computer..
>>>
>>> False as false can be. Neither the BIOS nor the Mobo are mentioned in
>>> either the retail or generic OEM EULA. What you did what *update* ONE
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f1vc73$lfh$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall MVP wrote:
>>>>>> It makes a note of the BIOS make and version.. when YOU updated the
>>>>>> BIOS, the details that the OS had noted will have changed, so the
>>>>>> installation assumes it is on a different computer, and therefore
>>>>>> requires activation..
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact is, though, it isn't a different computer and the activation
>>>>> is therefore FLAWED and should be discontinued!
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>

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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Robert Robinson wrote:
> Based on the many forum messages about activation, it appears that no
> one outside of an appropriate Microsoft group really knows the details
> of the activation process.
> It is likely that OEM installations involve some Microsoft operating
> system related customization of the BIOS, but I agree that this may not
> be correct.


I can't imagine why you would even think that possible, much less
likely. What many of the OEM manufacturers do is modify the Windows
recovery method they provide to recognize and lock itself to specific
hardware configurations (usually a serial number or other identifying
feature of the chipset or CMOS chip), but not changes are made to the
BIOS by the Windows installation.


> A number of people have independently confirmed that a BIOS upgrade may
> require a re-activation. The BIOS changes that might trigger a
> re-activation are unknown to me.
>

Certainly, as some BIOS changes can be interpretted by Windows as a
hardware change. Again, in no way does it follow logically from this
that Windows alters the BIOS; rather, Windows merely detects the changes
the BIOS update made.


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Hi Mike and Bruce,

There is no question that a BIOS update triggered a request for
re-activation.
I understand why Microsoft might want to check the BIOS code, but, as
far as I know, this code doesn't contain a listing of the hardware that
are actually attached to a computer system. It only provides a low level
means of accessing the hardware. It doesn't make sense that a change in
BIOS code is interpreted as a hardware change.

Bios code can, and does, influence how the hardware devices on the M/B
operate. A bios update can add certain features to the M/B operation that
previously were not available, as well as correct for hardware faults that
become apparent after shipment.

Yes, a bios update can certainly make it appear to be a new computer. The
operating system will pick up these changes and notify you accordingly.

If you don't want to chance this happening - don't update your bios.

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"Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Mike and Bruce,
>
> There is no question that a BIOS update triggered a request for
> re-activation.
> I understand why Microsoft might want to check the BIOS code, but, as far
> as I know, this code doesn't contain a listing of the hardware that are
> actually attached to a computer system. It only provides a low level means
> of accessing the hardware. It doesn't make sense that a change in BIOS
> code is interpreted as a hardware change.