Vista Tutorial - Downgrading to XP Pro... How to get the CD?

Hello,

I have a laptop running an OEM version of Vista Business Edition. I am
willing to downgrade to XP Pro since I am facing to many performance and
compatibility issues wit Vista (15 minutes to boot, improper interaction with
SBS2k3...).
According to the EULA I can downgrade to XP Pro. Now the question is:
how/where can I get a CD of XP Pro? If I have to buy a version of XP Pro, the
downgrade rights is just a fake.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers,
dac.

the_dac wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a laptop running an OEM version of Vista Business Edition. I am
> willing to downgrade to XP Pro since I am facing to many performance and
> compatibility issues wit Vista (15 minutes to boot, improper interaction with
> SBS2k3...).
> According to the EULA I can downgrade to XP Pro. Now the question is:
> how/where can I get a CD of XP Pro? If I have to buy a version of XP Pro, the
> downgrade rights is just a fake.

There is nothing fake about the downgrade rights. You are
misunderstanding the way that downgrade rights work. You need to own a
copy of the older operating system. Therefore, if you don't have a
retail copy of XP and you wish to downgrade to it you will need to buy one.


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

"the_dac" <thedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F00ABB96-4191-44A9-BE9D-6D7FC8905B70@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have a laptop running an OEM version of Vista Business Edition. I am
> willing to downgrade to XP Pro since I am facing to many performance and
> compatibility issues wit Vista (15 minutes to boot, improper interaction
> with
> SBS2k3...).
> According to the EULA I can downgrade to XP Pro. Now the question is:
> how/where can I get a CD of XP Pro? If I have to buy a version of XP Pro,
> the
> downgrade rights is just a fake.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Cheers,
> dac

Read the EULA again - the supply of media and keys is your responsibility.

14. DOWNGRADE. Instead of using the software, you may use one of the
following earlier versions:
• Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
• Microsoft Windows Professional x64 Edition, or
• Microsoft Windows XP Tablet PC Edition.
This agreement applies to your use of the earlier versions. If the earlier
version includes different components, any terms for those components in the
agreement that comes with the earlier version apply to your use of them.
Neither the manufacturer or installer, nor Microsoft is obligated to supply
earlier versions to you. You must obtain the earlier version separately.
At any time, you may replace an earlier version with this version of the
software.


Contact your OEM and plead your case but I would not hold out too much hope.
..

--

Mike Brannigan
..
>
>

"Malke" wrote:
>
> There is nothing fake about the downgrade rights. You are
> misunderstanding the way that downgrade rights work. You need to own a
> copy of the older operating system. Therefore, if you don't have a
> retail copy of XP and you wish to downgrade to it you will need to buy one.


Uh? OK I don't get it.
If I have a legitimate version of Vista and if I need to buy a version of XP
to downgrade... well I don't need an EULA to tell me that I can downgrade. I
can install whatever legitimate piece of software I want on my computer. No?

> Read the EULA again - the supply of media and keys is your responsibility.
>
> 14. DOWNGRADE. Instead of using the software, you may use one of the
> following earlier versions:
> • Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
> • Microsoft Windows Professional x64 Edition, or
> • Microsoft Windows XP Tablet PC Edition.
> This agreement applies to your use of the earlier versions. If the earlier
> version includes different components, any terms for those components in the
> agreement that comes with the earlier version apply to your use of them.
> Neither the manufacturer or installer, nor Microsoft is obligated to supply
> earlier versions to you. You must obtain the earlier version separately.
> At any time, you may replace an earlier version with this version of the
> software.
>
>
> Contact your OEM and plead your case but I would not hold out too much hope.
> ..

Hi Mike,
Thanks for the reply. I have seen this chapter of the EULA. Unless I buy a
retail version of XP Pro, it seems that I am stuck

OEM is the responsibility of the laptop manufacturer..


"the_dac" <thedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F00ABB96-4191-44A9-BE9D-6D7FC8905B70@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have a laptop running an OEM version of Vista Business Edition. I am
> willing to downgrade to XP Pro since I am facing to many performance and
> compatibility issues wit Vista (15 minutes to boot, improper interaction
> with
> SBS2k3...).
> According to the EULA I can downgrade to XP Pro. Now the question is:
> how/where can I get a CD of XP Pro? If I have to buy a version of XP Pro,
> the
> downgrade rights is just a fake.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Cheers,
> dac.
>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Don't want to seems unpolite but really...
Delivering a product working in an acceptable way is the responsibility of
the software editor... If it is not the case, an idea would be to make
customer life easier.

"Mike Hall MVP" wrote:

> OEM is the responsibility of the laptop manufacturer..
>
>
> "the_dac" <thedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F00ABB96-4191-44A9-BE9D-6D7FC8905B70@microsoft.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a laptop running an OEM version of Vista Business Edition. I am
> > willing to downgrade to XP Pro since I am facing to many performance and
> > compatibility issues wit Vista (15 minutes to boot, improper interaction
> > with
> > SBS2k3...).
> > According to the EULA I can downgrade to XP Pro. Now the question is:
> > how/where can I get a CD of XP Pro? If I have to buy a version of XP Pro,
> > the
> > downgrade rights is just a fake.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > dac.
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>
>

You seem to be mistaken.
If the laptop shipped with Windows Vista, it is the laptop
manufacturers responsibility to make sure the laptop performs with
with everything that is included and that includes Windows Vista.
Software manufacturers can not possibly take into account all possible
of hardware and software configurations.
That is one of the major benefits of buying an OEM system, everything
should work and the OEM is the one stop source for ALL support.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"the_dac" <thedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:143EF482-75C8-4799-9FE9-B4810C01C31C@microsoft.com...
> Don't want to seems unpolite but really...
> Delivering a product working in an acceptable way is the
> responsibility of
> the software editor... If it is not the case, an idea would be to
> make
> customer life easier.

You need to provide your own CD and Product Key.
The major users of this program are businesses that already have keys
and media.

If you are having that kind of trouble, contact the OEM and consider
returning.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"the_dac" <thedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F00ABB96-4191-44A9-BE9D-6D7FC8905B70@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have a laptop running an OEM version of Vista Business Edition. I
> am
> willing to downgrade to XP Pro since I am facing to many performance
> and
> compatibility issues wit Vista (15 minutes to boot, improper
> interaction with
> SBS2k3...).
> According to the EULA I can downgrade to XP Pro. Now the question
> is:
> how/where can I get a CD of XP Pro? If I have to buy a version of XP
> Pro, the
> downgrade rights is just a fake.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Cheers,
> dac.
>
>

The issues I am facing are mainly related to SBS imcompatibility (check SBS
support page). My main concern with Vista is that instead of doing business,
I am trying since two months to make it usable: (basic stuff that works with
XP Pro such as AD authentication, file copy. I guess an OEM manufacturer will
not care about those kind of issues.


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> You seem to be mistaken.
> If the laptop shipped with Windows Vista, it is the laptop
> manufacturers responsibility to make sure the laptop performs with
> with everything that is included and that includes Windows Vista.
> Software manufacturers can not possibly take into account all possible
> of hardware and software configurations.
> That is one of the major benefits of buying an OEM system, everything
> should work and the OEM is the one stop source for ALL support.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "the_dac" <thedac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:143EF482-75C8-4799-9FE9-B4810C01C31C@microsoft.com...
> > Don't want to seems unpolite but really...
> > Delivering a product working in an acceptable way is the
> > responsibility of
> > the software editor... If it is not the case, an idea would be to
> > make
> > customer life easier.
>
>