Vista - task manager user messageing

I'm runnig windows vista business 32bit. I am loged on as an administrator.
when I go to task manager and go to the users tab and click on a user that is
loged on and try and send a message that user it errs out and says I don't
have the right to do it. (the acount I am alos messaging is an administrator
and I have also tried to do it to a standard user as well with the same
resultes) how can this be fixed?

Hello,

You need to transition task manager into "admin mode" in order for
this to work.

An application can only use your admin powers if it prompts for your
permission, even when you are logged in with an administrator.

There are a few ways to do this:

1- When opening task manager, right-click it and click Run As
Administrator

2- From an open task manager, click the Processes tab, and then click
Show processes from all users

Once you have gone through the "Windows needs your permission to
continue" prompt, task manager is running in admin mode, and you will
no longer receive the errors.

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:14:00 -0700, Fire balls
<Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I'm runnig windows vista business 32bit. I am loged on as an administrator.
>when I go to task manager and go to the users tab and click on a user that is
>loged on and try and send a message that user it errs out and says I don't
>have the right to do it. (the acount I am alos messaging is an administrator
>and I have also tried to do it to a standard user as well with the same
>resultes) how can this be fixed?



- JB
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

"Fire balls" <Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9A184156-D363-4714-A4B3-6850A88A1CAA@microsoft.com...
> I'm runnig windows vista business 32bit. I am loged on as an
> administrator.
> when I go to task manager and go to the users tab and click on a user that
> is
> loged on and try and send a message that user it errs out and says I don't
> have the right to do it. (the acount I am alos messaging is an
> administrator
> and I have also tried to do it to a standard user as well with the same
> resultes) how can this be fixed?

You need to do Run as Administer, because even if you're Admin on the
machine, you may not have all rights needed.

You can simply go fine taskmgr.exe in the Windows/system32 directory, send
short-cut to desktop.

At the shout-cut on the desktop, you right-click it and go to Properties to
the Advanced button and set Run as Admin.

Thanks that of corse solved the problem thanks and sorry for the dumb
question I should have though of that. but I am also wondering if there was
anyway that it would recognize that automatically in the future... that can
be really annoying I understand the need for things to be secure but there
should be a way for you to have rights that can be accessed when you log on
that don't have to ask for everything and where you can add trusted
programs... just a thought I'm sure there are unforseen things that I don't
know about that would be a problem with that but if not I'm sure many people
would appreciate a feature like that and hopefully there would be a way to do
that like ask for adminrights when adding such a program to a trusted list or
a list of programs or .exe that are always run as adminrights on that
account. Just a thought maybe a patch or service pack could add that. Agin
thanks for all the help.

William Moore

"Jimmy Brush" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> You need to transition task manager into "admin mode" in order for
> this to work.
>
> An application can only use your admin powers if it prompts for your
> permission, even when you are logged in with an administrator.
>
> There are a few ways to do this:
>
> 1- When opening task manager, right-click it and click Run As
> Administrator
>
> 2- From an open task manager, click the Processes tab, and then click
> Show processes from all users
>
> Once you have gone through the "Windows needs your permission to
> continue" prompt, task manager is running in admin mode, and you will
> no longer receive the errors.
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:14:00 -0700, Fire balls
> <Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm runnig windows vista business 32bit. I am loged on as an administrator.
> >when I go to task manager and go to the users tab and click on a user that is
> >loged on and try and send a message that user it errs out and says I don't
> >have the right to do it. (the acount I am alos messaging is an administrator
> >and I have also tried to do it to a standard user as well with the same
> >resultes) how can this be fixed?
>
>
>
> - JB
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
> Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>

You are right, it would be much more convienent if one could "always
trust" a program.

Unfortunately, there are "hidden consequences" to allowing that.

Basically, if the computer let you "trust" programs so that they never
prompted, the game is up - the bad guys just won - because they could
use those trusted programs to take over your computer.

The purpose of these prompts is not to "save you from yourself" ...
rather, their purpose is to make sure that YOU are the one that is
trying to perform these administrative actions, as opposed to some
malicious program that is trying to do these things behind your back.

Unfortunately, the only way the computer can really know for sure that
you are the one doing these things is by asking you thru the prompt,
but I sincerely hope that a less obtrusive means of doing this will be
found in the future.

- JB
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell

On Mon, 14 May 2007 21:19:00 -0700, Fire balls
<Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Thanks that of corse solved the problem thanks and sorry for the dumb
>question I should have though of that. but I am also wondering if there was
>anyway that it would recognize that automatically in the future... that can
>be really annoying I understand the need for things to be secure but there
>should be a way for you to have rights that can be accessed when you log on
>that don't have to ask for everything and where you can add trusted
>programs... just a thought I'm sure there are unforseen things that I don't
>know about that would be a problem with that but if not I'm sure many people
>would appreciate a feature like that and hopefully there would be a way to do
>that like ask for adminrights when adding such a program to a trusted list or
>a list of programs or .exe that are always run as adminrights on that
>account. Just a thought maybe a patch or service pack could add that. Agin
>thanks for all the help.
>
>William Moore
>
>"Jimmy Brush" wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> You need to transition task manager into "admin mode" in order for
>> this to work.
>>
>> An application can only use your admin powers if it prompts for your
>> permission, even when you are logged in with an administrator.
>>
>> There are a few ways to do this:
>>
>> 1- When opening task manager, right-click it and click Run As
>> Administrator
>>
>> 2- From an open task manager, click the Processes tab, and then click
>> Show processes from all users
>>
>> Once you have gone through the "Windows needs your permission to
>> continue" prompt, task manager is running in admin mode, and you will
>> no longer receive the errors.
>>
>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:14:00 -0700, Fire balls
>> <Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm runnig windows vista business 32bit. I am loged on as an administrator.
>> >when I go to task manager and go to the users tab and click on a user that is
>> >loged on and try and send a message that user it errs out and says I don't
>> >have the right to do it. (the acount I am alos messaging is an administrator
>> >and I have also tried to do it to a standard user as well with the same
>> >resultes) how can this be fixed?
>>
>>
>>
>> - JB
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
>> Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>>

That is true and like I said there was probably some other unforseen problems
that I didn't think of. Really I'm very inpressed with vista and the
security! Aslo with all the problem reporting built into it and the
helpfullness of it compared to xp. With what you said in mind though it
wouldn't have been a problem if it has asked me if I had the rights when I
tried to send a message (like it does when you click on show all processes) I
know there is a lot to work out in a new OS and agin I think a good job was
done but on something like haveing it ask instead of haveing to do a "work
around" persay would be much easyer for the end use I think then haveing to
know you have to go here and do this and what not yo get it to work instead
of a box that pops up and says are you who you say you are. just a thought
agin. thanks!

William Moore

"Jimmy Brush" wrote:

> You are right, it would be much more convienent if one could "always
> trust" a program.
>
> Unfortunately, there are "hidden consequences" to allowing that.
>
> Basically, if the computer let you "trust" programs so that they never
> prompted, the game is up - the bad guys just won - because they could
> use those trusted programs to take over your computer.
>
> The purpose of these prompts is not to "save you from yourself" ...
> rather, their purpose is to make sure that YOU are the one that is
> trying to perform these administrative actions, as opposed to some
> malicious program that is trying to do these things behind your back.
>
> Unfortunately, the only way the computer can really know for sure that
> you are the one doing these things is by asking you thru the prompt,
> but I sincerely hope that a less obtrusive means of doing this will be
> found in the future.
>
> - JB
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 21:19:00 -0700, Fire balls
> <Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Thanks that of corse solved the problem thanks and sorry for the dumb
> >question I should have though of that. but I am also wondering if there was
> >anyway that it would recognize that automatically in the future... that can
> >be really annoying I understand the need for things to be secure but there
> >should be a way for you to have rights that can be accessed when you log on
> >that don't have to ask for everything and where you can add trusted
> >programs... just a thought I'm sure there are unforseen things that I don't
> >know about that would be a problem with that but if not I'm sure many people
> >would appreciate a feature like that and hopefully there would be a way to do
> >that like ask for adminrights when adding such a program to a trusted list or
> >a list of programs or .exe that are always run as adminrights on that
> >account. Just a thought maybe a patch or service pack could add that. Agin
> >thanks for all the help.
> >
> >William Moore
> >
> >"Jimmy Brush" wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> You need to transition task manager into "admin mode" in order for
> >> this to work.
> >>
> >> An application can only use your admin powers if it prompts for your
> >> permission, even when you are logged in with an administrator.
> >>
> >> There are a few ways to do this:
> >>
> >> 1- When opening task manager, right-click it and click Run As
> >> Administrator
> >>
> >> 2- From an open task manager, click the Processes tab, and then click
> >> Show processes from all users
> >>
> >> Once you have gone through the "Windows needs your permission to
> >> continue" prompt, task manager is running in admin mode, and you will
> >> no longer receive the errors.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:14:00 -0700, Fire balls
> >> <Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'm runnig windows vista business 32bit. I am loged on as an administrator.
> >> >when I go to task manager and go to the users tab and click on a user that is
> >> >loged on and try and send a message that user it errs out and says I don't
> >> >have the right to do it. (the acount I am alos messaging is an administrator
> >> >and I have also tried to do it to a standard user as well with the same
> >> >resultes) how can this be fixed?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - JB
> >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
> >> Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
> >>
>

You're right again, it should prompt you for permission when you try
to send a message instead of just failing.

And there's no good reason why it doesn't.

In fact, I noticed this myself during the beta and reported it as a
bug, but I guess there were bigger problems to worry about.

--
-JB
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell
Windows Vista Support FAQ - http://www.jimmah.com

On Tue, 15 May 2007 12:16:01 -0700, Fire balls
<Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>That is true and like I said there was probably some other unforseen problems
>that I didn't think of. Really I'm very inpressed with vista and the
>security! Aslo with all the problem reporting built into it and the
>helpfullness of it compared to xp. With what you said in mind though it
>wouldn't have been a problem if it has asked me if I had the rights when I
>tried to send a message (like it does when you click on show all processes) I
>know there is a lot to work out in a new OS and agin I think a good job was
>done but on something like haveing it ask instead of haveing to do a "work
>around" persay would be much easyer for the end use I think then haveing to
>know you have to go here and do this and what not yo get it to work instead
>of a box that pops up and says are you who you say you are. just a thought
>agin. thanks!
>
>William Moore
>
>"Jimmy Brush" wrote:
>
>> You are right, it would be much more convienent if one could "always
>> trust" a program.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there are "hidden consequences" to allowing that.
>>
>> Basically, if the computer let you "trust" programs so that they never
>> prompted, the game is up - the bad guys just won - because they could
>> use those trusted programs to take over your computer.
>>
>> The purpose of these prompts is not to "save you from yourself" ...
>> rather, their purpose is to make sure that YOU are the one that is
>> trying to perform these administrative actions, as opposed to some
>> malicious program that is trying to do these things behind your back.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the only way the computer can really know for sure that
>> you are the one doing these things is by asking you thru the prompt,
>> but I sincerely hope that a less obtrusive means of doing this will be
>> found in the future.
>>
>> - JB
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell
>>
>> On Mon, 14 May 2007 21:19:00 -0700, Fire balls
>> <Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks that of corse solved the problem thanks and sorry for the dumb
>> >question I should have though of that. but I am also wondering if there was
>> >anyway that it would recognize that automatically in the future... that can
>> >be really annoying I understand the need for things to be secure but there
>> >should be a way for you to have rights that can be accessed when you log on
>> >that don't have to ask for everything and where you can add trusted
>> >programs... just a thought I'm sure there are unforseen things that I don't
>> >know about that would be a problem with that but if not I'm sure many people
>> >would appreciate a feature like that and hopefully there would be a way to do
>> >that like ask for adminrights when adding such a program to a trusted list or
>> >a list of programs or .exe that are always run as adminrights on that
>> >account. Just a thought maybe a patch or service pack could add that. Agin
>> >thanks for all the help.
>> >
>> >William Moore
>> >
>> >"Jimmy Brush" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> You need to transition task manager into "admin mode" in order for
>> >> this to work.
>> >>
>> >> An application can only use your admin powers if it prompts for your
>> >> permission, even when you are logged in with an administrator.
>> >>
>> >> There are a few ways to do this:
>> >>
>> >> 1- When opening task manager, right-click it and click Run As
>> >> Administrator
>> >>
>> >> 2- From an open task manager, click the Processes tab, and then click
>> >> Show processes from all users
>> >>
>> >> Once you have gone through the "Windows needs your permission to
>> >> continue" prompt, task manager is running in admin mode, and you will
>> >> no longer receive the errors.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:14:00 -0700, Fire balls
>> >> <Fireballs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I'm runnig windows vista business 32bit. I am loged on as an administrator.
>> >> >when I go to task manager and go to the users tab and click on a user that is
>> >> >loged on and try and send a message that user it errs out and says I don't
>> >> >have the right to do it. (the acount I am alos messaging is an administrator
>> >> >and I have also tried to do it to a standard user as well with the same
>> >> >resultes) how can this be fixed?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - JB
>> >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
>> >> Windows Vista Support Faq http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>> >>
>>