Vista - Bypass boot screen?

Umm, that's hard to ignore Frank when the document you created earlier now
can't be bloody saved after editing because it is read only !

I can see the point with executable files but my CorelDraw creations?? It
is HIGHLY annoying.


--
Ian M. Walker

http://www.IanMWalker.com

~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:60682DC8-34E0-434A-8E4D-FE0D876320CE@microsoft.com...
> "Jim Fraas" <tman61@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23i5L5QukGHA.4444@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> but my documents folder becomes read only!
>> Settibng myself as Adminstoator removes it but if I go back to standard
>> they become read only again
>
>
> All folders are Read Only. Ignore it. Windows does.
>
> --
> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, OE/WM
> Please reply in newsgroup.
>

Here, here, Robert.

They are treating us as bloody kids! I've never had a problem as I've
always used up to date Anti-Virus, Spyware blockers, etc. and I'm shielded
behind my router so can't even be seen on the 'net (and yes, I've run the
tests available for this). There ought to be easy to find options such as
logging on as a REAL Administrator.


--
Ian M. Walker

http://www.IanMWalker.com

~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~
"Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:uFXCUqukGHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I disagree that Vista's security procedures are "implemented properly the
>same way as Linux" (UNIX). In UNIX, a user can become a super user or root
>by requesting this change and entering the appropriate password. It is also
>possible to login as root, if one has has the proper password.
> The situation is quite different with Vista. A user can have administrator
> privileges, but the setting doesn't function the same as "Administrator"
> as is true with UNIX's root. Vista continues to ask if you want to act as
> Administrator when supposedly you already have these privileges. Also,
> this level of user cannot change directory privileges that stay changed
> except by going through a very awkward procedure that results in a
> significant security risk. It is also apparently no longer possible to log
> onto Vista as Administrator in a manner that would be similar to logging
> on to UNIX as root.
> It is extremely frustrating to discover that a long download fails at the
> very end because a user with Administrator privileges cannot write to the
> required directory or that "save" fails in Visual Studio after modifying
> and recompiling a program.
> Administrative privileges should be just that not Vista's implementation
> of a "Quasi Administrator". The only current way to circumvent this
> horrible mess is to painstakingly set all directories to read/write for
> all users. This is a security risk, but Vista does not provide one with a
> viable alternate given its current poor file security design.
> Robbie

Frank said the folders are read only. I did not read that as the files
being read only.

"Ian M. Walker" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%23tZqQDwkGHA.1664@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Umm, that's hard to ignore Frank when the document you created earlier now
> can't be bloody saved after editing because it is read only !
>
> I can see the point with executable files but my CorelDraw creations?? It
> is HIGHLY annoying.
>
>
> --
> Ian M. Walker
>
> http://www.IanMWalker.com
>
> ~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~
> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:60682DC8-34E0-434A-8E4D-FE0D876320CE@microsoft.com...
>> "Jim Fraas" <tman61@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23i5L5QukGHA.4444@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> but my documents folder becomes read only!
>>> Settibng myself as Adminstoator removes it but if I go back to standard
>>> they become read only again
>>
>>
>> All folders are Read Only. Ignore it. Windows does.
>>
>> --
>> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, OE/WM
>> Please reply in newsgroup.
>>
>
>

While I share your feelings, I also know that lots of consumers are not
doing what you and I do.

"Ian M. Walker" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uUJyQDwkGHA.1664@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Here, here, Robert.
>
> They are treating us as bloody kids! I've never had a problem as I've
> always used up to date Anti-Virus, Spyware blockers, etc. and I'm shielded
> behind my router so can't even be seen on the 'net (and yes, I've run the
> tests available for this). There ought to be easy to find options such as
> logging on as a REAL Administrator.
>
>
> --
> Ian M. Walker
>
> http://www.IanMWalker.com
>
> ~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~
> "Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:uFXCUqukGHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I disagree that Vista's security procedures are "implemented properly the
>>same way as Linux" (UNIX). In UNIX, a user can become a super user or root
>>by requesting this change and entering the appropriate password. It is
>>also possible to login as root, if one has has the proper password.
>> The situation is quite different with Vista. A user can have
>> administrator privileges, but the setting doesn't function the same as
>> "Administrator" as is true with UNIX's root. Vista continues to ask if
>> you want to act as Administrator when supposedly you already have these
>> privileges. Also, this level of user cannot change directory privileges
>> that stay changed except by going through a very awkward procedure that
>> results in a significant security risk. It is also apparently no longer
>> possible to log onto Vista as Administrator in a manner that would be
>> similar to logging on to UNIX as root.
>> It is extremely frustrating to discover that a long download fails at the
>> very end because a user with Administrator privileges cannot write to the
>> required directory or that "save" fails in Visual Studio after modifying
>> and recompiling a program.
>> Administrative privileges should be just that not Vista's implementation
>> of a "Quasi Administrator". The only current way to circumvent this
>> horrible mess is to painstakingly set all directories to read/write for
>> all users. This is a security risk, but Vista does not provide one with a
>> viable alternate given its current poor file security design.
>> Robbie
>
>

In article <uFXCUqukGHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, Robert Robinson
says...
> It is also apparently no longer
> possible to log onto Vista as Administrator in a manner that would be
> similar to logging on to UNIX as root.

So absolutely no different to the Ubuntu distro then where everything
is done as SUDO.

> It is extremely frustrating to discover that a long download fails at
> the very end because a user with Administrator privileges cannot write
> to the required directory or that "save" fails in Visual Studio after
> modifying and recompiling a program.

Clue is in the name...BETA.


--
Conor
Grumpy Old Man
Same ****, Different Day.

That may be a chance I will have to take for now.
I cannot edit any documents.
I xcannot use my $ program iwthin Vista

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eh54squkGHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> You have to use elevated rights. This is the only way to guarantee that
> all changes to your system are made with your knowledge. Otherwise
> malware can hijack your system by running under Admin rights.
>
> "Jim Fraas" <tman61@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23i5L5QukGHA.4444@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> but my documents folder becomes read only!
>> Settibng myself as Adminstoator removes it but if I go back to standard
>> they become read only again
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:evL0dGukGHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> It is an important change to Vista (for security reasons) that the user
>>> runs with limited rights and elevates those rights for any operation
>>> that will make a change to the computer.
>>>
>>> "Bill" <smile@here.com> wrote in message
>>> news9FEADEB-5E71-40E4-9319-C1668C4514FF@microsoft.com...
>>>> When I boot/reboot Vista it gets to a screen that has my name and a
>>>> little
>>>> orange square above it. I can click on the little orange square
>>>> (actually a
>>>> picture of some sort) or hit ENTER to continue the boot process.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to bypass this so the machine will boot fully
>>>> unattended?
>>>> Also, since I am the only user on this machine, can't I have ADMIN
>>>> privileges/rights/options over everything all the time. I tried to do
>>>> something (yes, I forgot what it was) and was told I didn't have the
>>>> privilege/whatever to do it. Kinda like having my Mother here to watch
>>>> over
>>>> me )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Happy Fathers Day
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I for one would like to have the choice of bypassing the welcome screen and
being assigned as the administrator. I have my machines behind a hardware
firewall, keep my antivirus up to date, keep and run 3 different spyware
programs at least weekly. Yet I can find no option to bypass the login
screen.

Does anyone know of a registry hack that will accomplish this?

"Conor" wrote:

> In article <uFXCUqukGHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, Robert Robinson
> says...
> > It is also apparently no longer
> > possible to log onto Vista as Administrator in a manner that would be
> > similar to logging on to UNIX as root.
>
> So absolutely no different to the Ubuntu distro then where everything
> is done as SUDO.
>
> > It is extremely frustrating to discover that a long download fails at
> > the very end because a user with Administrator privileges cannot write
> > to the required directory or that "save" fails in Visual Studio after
> > modifying and recompiling a program.
>
> Clue is in the name...BETA.
>
>
> --
> Conor
> Grumpy Old Man
> Same ****, Different Day.
>

I don't have a problem with Vista defaulting the security options, but I
would like the ability to turn off the features and autoboot the system. I
have my machines behind a hardware firewall, keep my virus scanner current,
and run several spyware programs. I would like to be the one who decides
what I need and how secure I want to be.

I for one do not like the fact that Windows Vista has taken that option away
from me. Perhaps there is a registry hack that will make the welcome screen
function the same as XP. Does anyone know of one?

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> It is an important change to Vista (for security reasons) that the user runs
> with limited rights and elevates those rights for any operation that will
> make a change to the computer.
>
> "Bill" <smile@here.com> wrote in message
> news9FEADEB-5E71-40E4-9319-C1668C4514FF@microsoft.com...
> > When I boot/reboot Vista it gets to a screen that has my name and a little
> > orange square above it. I can click on the little orange square (actually
> > a
> > picture of some sort) or hit ENTER to continue the boot process.
> >
> > Is there a way to bypass this so the machine will boot fully unattended?
> > Also, since I am the only user on this machine, can't I have ADMIN
> > privileges/rights/options over everything all the time. I tried to do
> > something (yes, I forgot what it was) and was told I didn't have the
> > privilege/whatever to do it. Kinda like having my Mother here to watch
> > over
> > me )
> >
> >
> > Happy Fathers Day
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
>

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:21:01 -0700, Vbritt
<Vbritt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I for one would like to have the choice of bypassing the welcome screen and
>being assigned as the administrator. I have my machines behind a hardware
>firewall, keep my antivirus up to date, keep and run 3 different spyware
>programs at least weekly. Yet I can find no option to bypass the login
>screen.
>
>Does anyone know of a registry hack that will accomplish this?

* Right click on "Command Prompt" and click "Run as Administrator", then
type "regedit" and press enter.
* In the Registry Editor, browse to:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\Current Version\Winlogon
* Add a new key called "SpecialAccounts".
* Inside the new "SpecialAccounts" key, add a key called "UserList".
* Within the "UserList" key, create a 32-bit DWORD value called
"Administrator" and set its value to 1.

* Close the Registry Editor and back in the command prompt window, run
"control userpasswords2".
* Click on the Advanced tab, then under "Advanced User Management" click
the Advanced button.
* Next, click on Users and right click the Administrator account and
select Properties.
* Finally, remove the check from "Account is disabled".
* Reboot and you should see the Administrator account on the Welcome
screen.

To log in automatically, just do the "control userpasswords2" bit
mentioned above, then find the check box for "users must enter a password
to log on" and uncheck it. You'll be prompted for which account to
automatically log on with and what password to use. I'd be more exacting,
but I'm in XP at the moment.
--
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/

Steve,

Thanks, I'll give that a try. I found that option when I did the upgrade
from XP, what a mistake, then after doing a clean install I could no longer
find it again.

I am like you the UAC is such an irritation that it had to go. I keep
reading about how secure it makes Vista, but I wonder if that is the team
that developed it that are making those comments. I just can't imagine
anyone that would live with that. Every time you do virtually anything you
are having to answer the nag screen. I read on one of the groups where they
are going to relax it somewhat, but I would like it to be configurable where
the user decides how much or how little control UAC has over the system. As
it is, most users with more than average exposure will turn it off
completely. That my two cents worth.

Thanks again for the information.


"Steve Williamson" wrote:

> You can log on automatically, same as XP. Goto a run prompt and type
> "control userpasswords2" without the quotes. Uncheck "users must enter a
> username and password..." (Apologies if it's worded differently, I'm doing
> it from memory as my install is fecked!)
>
> If you're talking about User Account Control, I managed to turn it off by
> going into the Security Center and disabling "User Account Control". It was
> useful at first, then it started to really annoy me by dimming everything
> until I clicked OK to allow something I had myself initiated.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Steve
>
> "Bill" <smile@here.com> wrote in message
> news9FEADEB-5E71-40E4-9319-C1668C4514FF@microsoft.com...
> > When I boot/reboot Vista it gets to a screen that has my name and a little
> > orange square above it. I can click on the little orange square (actually
> > a
> > picture of some sort) or hit ENTER to continue the boot process.
> >
> > Is there a way to bypass this so the machine will boot fully unattended?
> > Also, since I am the only user on this machine, can't I have ADMIN
> > privileges/rights/options over everything all the time. I tried to do
> > something (yes, I forgot what it was) and was told I didn't have the
> > privilege/whatever to do it. Kinda like having my Mother here to watch
> > over
> > me )
> >
> >
> > Happy Fathers Day
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
>