Vista - Serious problem with virtual memory

Vista Ultimate x64, 4GB RAM.

I am unable to process some image files of less than 512MB in size in
various image manipulation applications as they complain that there is not
enough memory. The virtual memory is setup as 512MB on the system volume
(C and 4-8GB on D: but it appears that only the 512MB is being used. So I
go into it to set it to be system managed or to increase the amount of VM on
the C: drive and it gives me a BSOD. The BSOD has 0x0000001E as the first
data value and mentions something about checking for insufficient disk space
before the machine reboots (this may be on all BSODs, I don't know). I have
experimented with various values of VM and it is clear that ANY change to
the settings will result in a BSOD. There is about 15GB free on C: (which
is 50GB in total) and about 300GB free on D:. I have defragmented C: and
there seems to be plenty of space for a contiguous swap file of the size
that I am trying to set.

How do I resolve this issue? I am severely hampered by not being able to
use more than about 512MB of RAM or so it would seem.

--
And loving it,

-Q
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How much RAM do you have (excluding virtual memory)?


"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Vista Ultimate x64, 4GB RAM.
>
> I am unable to process some image files of less than 512MB in size in
> various image manipulation applications as they complain that there is not
> enough memory. The virtual memory is setup as 512MB on the system volume
> (C and 4-8GB on D: but it appears that only the 512MB is being used. So
> I go into it to set it to be system managed or to increase the amount of
> VM on the C: drive and it gives me a BSOD. The BSOD has 0x0000001E as the
> first data value and mentions something about checking for insufficient
> disk space before the machine reboots (this may be on all BSODs, I don't
> know). I have experimented with various values of VM and it is clear that
> ANY change to the settings will result in a BSOD. There is about 15GB
> free on C: (which is 50GB in total) and about 300GB free on D:. I have
> defragmented C: and there seems to be plenty of space for a contiguous
> swap file of the size that I am trying to set.
>
> How do I resolve this issue? I am severely hampered by not being able to
> use more than about 512MB of RAM or so it would seem.
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Q
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)
>

"DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> How much RAM do you have (excluding virtual memory)?

Read the first line of his post.

>
>
> "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uMCfvYpoHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Vista Ultimate x64, 4GB RAM.
>>
>> I am unable to process some image files of less than 512MB in size in
>> various image manipulation applications as they complain that there is
>> not enough memory. The virtual memory is setup as 512MB on the system
>> volume
>> (C and 4-8GB on D: but it appears that only the 512MB is being used.
>> So I go into it to set it to be system managed or to increase the amount
>> of VM on the C: drive and it gives me a BSOD. The BSOD has 0x0000001E as
>> the first data value and mentions something about checking for
>> insufficient disk space before the machine reboots (this may be on all
>> BSODs, I don't know). I have experimented with various values of VM and
>> it is clear that ANY change to the settings will result in a BSOD. There
>> is about 15GB free on C: (which is 50GB in total) and about 300GB free on
>> D:. I have defragmented C: and there seems to be plenty of space for a
>> contiguous swap file of the size that I am trying to set.
>>
>> How do I resolve this issue? I am severely hampered by not being able to
>> use more than about 512MB of RAM or so it would seem.
>>
>> --
>> And loving it,
>>
>> -Q
>> _________________________________________________
>> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
>> (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)
>>
>

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uMCfvYpoHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Vista Ultimate x64, 4GB RAM.
>
> I am unable to process some image files of less than 512MB in size in
> various image manipulation applications as they complain that there is not
> enough memory. The virtual memory is setup as 512MB on the system volume
> (C and 4-8GB on D: but it appears that only the 512MB is being used. So
> I go into it to set it to be system managed or to increase the amount of
> VM on the C: drive and it gives me a BSOD. The BSOD has 0x0000001E as the
> first data value and mentions something about checking for insufficient
> disk space before the machine reboots (this may be on all BSODs, I don't
> know). I have experimented with various values of VM and it is clear that
> ANY change to the settings will result in a BSOD. There is about 15GB
> free on C: (which is 50GB in total) and about 300GB free on D:. I have
> defragmented C: and there seems to be plenty of space for a contiguous
> swap file of the size that I am trying to set.
>
> How do I resolve this issue? I am severely hampered by not being able to
> use more than about 512MB of RAM or so it would seem.


You could probably change the settings via the registry if you had another
machine to import them from.

I am running Ultimate 32 bit so I don't know if mine would apply, but they
look like below, all system managed. It probably would not be wise to import
these settings without more information.

There's a bunch XP pagefule info here
http://www.petri.co.il/pagefile_optimization.htm


Here's something that looks somewhat promising
http://www.downloadjunction.com/prod...201/index.html

Lee
-----------------------------------------------------

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory
Management]
"WriteWatch"=dword:00000001
"ClearPageFileAtShutdown"=dword:00000000
"DisablePagingExecutive"=dword:00000000
"LargeSystemCache"=dword:00000000
"NonPagedPoolQuota"=dword:00000000
"NonPagedPoolSize"=dword:00000000
"PagedPoolQuota"=dword:00000000
"PagedPoolSize"=dword:00000000
"PhysicalAddressExtension"=dword:00000000
"SecondLevelDataCache"=dword:00000000
"SessionPoolSize"=dword:00000004
"SessionViewSize"=dword:00000030
"SystemPages"=dword:000c3000
"PagingFiles"=hex(7):3f,00,3a,00,5c,00,70,00,61,00,67,00,65,00,66,00,69,00,6c,\
00,65,00,2e,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,00,00,00,00
"ExistingPageFiles"=hex(7):5c,00,3f,00,3f,00,5c,00,43,00,3a,00,5c,00,70,00,61,\
00,67,00,65,00,66,00,69,00,6c,00,65,00,2e,00,73,00,79,00,73,00,00,00,00,00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory
Management\PrefetchParameters]
"BootId"=dword:0000008d
"BaseTime"=dword:0bc3b9e4
"VideoInitTime"=dword:0000008c
"EnableSuperfetch"=dword:00000003
"EnablePrefetcher"=dword:00000003
"EnableBootTrace"=dword:00000000

----------------------------------------------------------

"Lee" <not@chance.ever> wrote in message
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> You could probably change the settings via the registry if you had another
> machine to import them from.
>
> I am running Ultimate 32 bit so I don't know if mine would apply, but they
> look like below, all system managed. It probably would not be wise to
> import these settings without more information.
>
> There's a bunch XP pagefule info here
> http://www.petri.co.il/pagefile_optimization.htm
>
>
> Here's something that looks somewhat promising
> http://www.downloadjunction.com/prod...201/index.html

I have managed to changed the VM settings by using TweakVI but I am not
convinced that they actually work. Is there some way to test if the VM is
working properly? I have two different image manipulation applications and
both complain that there's not enough memory when working with files of
about 300MB or greater. Surely they should be able to cope with bigger
files than that given that I now have 8GB of virtual memory and 4GB physical
memory.

I ran the memory diagnostic tool on the Vista DVD and it reported no
problems and I also ran a startup repair (as someone else suggested) and it
reported that nothing needed to be done. I really need some way to
determine if all 8GB of VM is usable by applications. I think it unlikely
that 2 totally different applications from different vendors would both have
a limitation inbuilt in regard to file sizes in memory so I am doubting that
Vista's VM management strategies and algorithms are working.

Any ideas?

--
And loving it,

-Q
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
(Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

Just an off the wall question here - are you using 64 bit versions of these
graphic apps? Have you talked to their support people?

Dana Cline - MCE MVP

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Lee" <not@chance.ever> wrote in message
> news:eSbwE0poHHA.4424@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> You could probably change the settings via the registry if you had
>> another machine to import them from.
>>
>> I am running Ultimate 32 bit so I don't know if mine would apply, but
>> they look like below, all system managed. It probably would not be wise
>> to import these settings without more information.
>>
>> There's a bunch XP pagefule info here
>> http://www.petri.co.il/pagefile_optimization.htm
>>
>>
>> Here's something that looks somewhat promising
>> http://www.downloadjunction.com/prod...201/index.html
>
> I have managed to changed the VM settings by using TweakVI but I am not
> convinced that they actually work. Is there some way to test if the VM is
> working properly? I have two different image manipulation applications
> and both complain that there's not enough memory when working with files
> of about 300MB or greater. Surely they should be able to cope with bigger
> files than that given that I now have 8GB of virtual memory and 4GB
> physical memory.
>
> I ran the memory diagnostic tool on the Vista DVD and it reported no
> problems and I also ran a startup repair (as someone else suggested) and
> it reported that nothing needed to be done. I really need some way to
> determine if all 8GB of VM is usable by applications. I think it unlikely
> that 2 totally different applications from different vendors would both
> have a limitation inbuilt in regard to file sizes in memory so I am
> doubting that Vista's VM management strategies and algorithms are working.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Q
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

"Dana Cline - MVP" <dcline@scriptpro.com> wrote in message
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> Just an off the wall question here - are you using 64 bit versions of
> these graphic apps? Have you talked to their support people?

Well no, not exactly but they are supposed to be compatible with Vista x64.
I spoke to one support rep who said that the problem is solved by increasing
the virtual memory. Clearly, that hasn't worked.

--
And loving it,

-Q
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
(Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

This is a wild and crazy idea, but if you have 4 Gigs or physical
RAM, why don't you just turn off virtual memory? Then you
surely will not have applications complaining about you not
having enough of it.

-- Larry Maturo

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uMCfvYpoHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Vista Ultimate x64, 4GB RAM.
>
> I am unable to process some image files of less than 512MB in size in
> various image manipulation applications as they complain that there is not
> enough memory. The virtual memory is setup as 512MB on the system volume
> (C and 4-8GB on D: but it appears that only the 512MB is being used. So
> I go into it to set it to be system managed or to increase the amount of
> VM on the C: drive and it gives me a BSOD. The BSOD has 0x0000001E as the
> first data value and mentions something about checking for insufficient
> disk space before the machine reboots (this may be on all BSODs, I don't
> know). I have experimented with various values of VM and it is clear that
> ANY change to the settings will result in a BSOD. There is about 15GB
> free on C: (which is 50GB in total) and about 300GB free on D:. I have
> defragmented C: and there seems to be plenty of space for a contiguous
> swap file of the size that I am trying to set.
>
> How do I resolve this issue? I am severely hampered by not being able to
> use more than about 512MB of RAM or so it would seem.
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Q
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)
>

Which programs are these? A fellow MVP, Barb Bowman, uses only x64 Vista and
she does a lot of image processing on her DSLR Raw files - she might know of
any incompatibilities or tweaks...

Dana Cline - MCE MVP

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Dana Cline - MVP" <dcline@scriptpro.com> wrote in message
> news:u81wRgroHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>> Just an off the wall question here - are you using 64 bit versions of
>> these graphic apps? Have you talked to their support people?
>
> Well no, not exactly but they are supposed to be compatible with Vista
> x64. I spoke to one support rep who said that the problem is solved by
> increasing the virtual memory. Clearly, that hasn't worked.
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Q
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

"Dana Cline - MVP" <dcline@scriptpro.com> wrote in message
news:%237ecINsoHHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Which programs are these? A fellow MVP, Barb Bowman, uses only x64 Vista
> and she does a lot of image processing on her DSLR Raw files - she might
> know of any incompatibilities or tweaks...

The main problem is with Paint Shop Pro Photo XI and also with the Control
Center that comes with the Brother scanner I am using. PSP Photo XI fails
when I try to do noise reduction or other fairly simple image manipulations
and the Brother Control Center fails when I try to scan images at greater
than resolutions of 2400 x 2400 dpi (even though it declares that the
resulting file is only about 350MB).

--
And loving it,

-Q
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
(Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)