Vista - An amusing example of Vista's cleverness

I have a folder on a partition where I store disk images created by Acronis
True Image (.tib files). For some reason, Vista in its infinite wisdom has
decided that this folder contains "picture" type images and has presented me
with columns such as "Date Taken" and "Rating" along with a "Slide Show"
option above. I guess it's trying to be smart with a file type that
includes the word "Image". There's nothing but .tib files in this folder
and there are no images anywhere on the partition. If I click on "More" to
try to select the correct columns I am presented with options such as "Frame
width" and "Camera model" all of which have little relevance to disk images.

I know I can ignore all the amusing options and just select the correct
columns but I thought it was an interesting example of how "smart" Vista
tries to be...

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And loving it,

-Q
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
(Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

Conversely, I have a partition on my 4th hard drive where I have about 15
various .tib images stored for three different operating systems that have
just plain yellow folder icons. If you create a folder within Documents, I
believe that the O/S tries to guess what is there and applies a template.

Again, one of the reasons that I do virtually ALL of my disk maintenance
from within Total Commander. I rarely, if ever, use Explorer for "anything".

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a folder on a partition where I store disk images created by Acronis
>True Image (.tib files). For some reason, Vista in its infinite wisdom has
>decided that this folder contains "picture" type images and has presented
>me with columns such as "Date Taken" and "Rating" along with a "Slide Show"
>option above. I guess it's trying to be smart with a file type that
>includes the word "Image". There's nothing but .tib files in this folder
>and there are no images anywhere on the partition. If I click on "More" to
>try to select the correct columns I am presented with options such as
>"Frame width" and "Camera model" all of which have little relevance to disk
>images.
>
> I know I can ignore all the amusing options and just select the correct
> columns but I thought it was an interesting example of how "smart" Vista
> tries to be...
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Q
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:18:06 +1000, "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I have a folder on a partition where I store disk images created by Acronis
>True Image (.tib files). For some reason, Vista in its infinite wisdom has
>decided that this folder contains "picture" type images and has presented me
>with columns such as "Date Taken" and "Rating" along with a "Slide Show"
>option above. I guess it's trying to be smart with a file type that
>includes the word "Image". There's nothing but .tib files in this folder
>and there are no images anywhere on the partition. If I click on "More" to
>try to select the correct columns I am presented with options such as "Frame
>width" and "Camera model" all of which have little relevance to disk images.
>
>I know I can ignore all the amusing options and just select the correct
>columns but I thought it was an interesting example of how "smart" Vista
>tries to be...

One of Microsoft's biggest problems they've ALWAYS had is their
endless attempts to write "smart" code that ends up being stupid and
either insults the end user's intelligence or slows their system down
for no good reason.

Microsoft still don't get it is MY computer (and YOUR computer), not
their computers. I decide (you decide) where, if, how to move copy,
delete, rename files. I (you decide) decide if or not I want their
klunky defrag crap running in the background, if I want files indexed,
thumbnails created, column headings added, changed, etc.. I'm sick and
tired of some bubble headed geek sitting in some cubicle in Redmond
trying to decide what's best for me with useless garbage like UAC or
sniffing my files for DRM violations and all the other behind your
back crap Vista now does without telling you or asking you. I CAN
DECIDE FOR MYSELF!

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Conversely, I have a partition on my 4th hard drive where I have about 15
> various .tib images stored for three different operating systems that have
> just plain yellow folder icons. If you create a folder within Documents, I
> believe that the O/S tries to guess what is there and applies a template.

Vista had it right in regard to this folder for weeks in that the correct
columns were displayed. It's just today that it's decided to be a bit
"clever".

> Again, one of the reasons that I do virtually ALL of my disk maintenance
> from within Total Commander. I rarely, if ever, use Explorer for
> "anything".

Good tip.

--
And loving it,

-Q
_________________________________________________
Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
(Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:30:00 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Conversely, I have a partition on my 4th hard drive where I have about 15
>various .tib images stored for three different operating systems that have
>just plain yellow folder icons. If you create a folder within Documents, I
>believe that the O/S tries to guess what is there and applies a template.
>
>Again, one of the reasons that I do virtually ALL of my disk maintenance
>from within Total Commander. I rarely, if ever, use Explorer for "anything".

Yet you and other MVPs are seen almost daily singing the praises of
Microsoft. Do you have a dictionary? Please look up the word
hypocrite.

Here, I'll save you the bother:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ition&ct=title

What I find deliciously funny is most MVPs while staunchly defending
Microsoft, when pushed they admit they don't use many of Vista's core
features themselves, like basic file copying/moving which is at the
heart of ANY operating system's main features, yet they are seen here
constantly whining every time somebody dares to be critical of
Microsoft about anything.

Classic example of do as I say, not as I do.

Adam Albright wrote:

>
> Microsoft still don't get it is MY computer (and YOUR computer), not
> their computers. I decide (you decide) where, if, how to move copy,
> delete, rename files. I (you decide) decide if or not I want their
> klunky defrag crap running in the background, if I want files indexed,
> thumbnails created, column headings added, changed, etc.. I'm sick and
> tired of some bubble headed geek sitting in some cubicle in Redmond
> trying to decide what's best for me with useless garbage like UAC or
> sniffing my files for DRM violations and all the other behind your
> back crap Vista now does without telling you or asking you. I CAN
> DECIDE FOR MYSELF!

I have a lot of sympathy with your view but you are a user who knows what
he's doing and what he wants from his computer.

Most of the people I deal with know little or nothing about their computer.
They want it to behave like any other bit of consumer hardware they own,
computer or toaster, they don't care how it works and they don't want to get
involved. Many of them don't don't move files about and they only delete
stuff when they run out of space, then they start deleting stuff they
shouldn't.

How many 'users' do you know with state of the art PCs who only use them for
email, browsing, a bit of on-line shopping and to write the occasional
document?

I'm amazed by the number of people who ask me to 'Get rid of the Start
button and tool bar.' All they want is a blank desktop with three icons,
email, word processor and browser.

--

Regards
Nick

And there should be a way to set it up as a power user wants, not locked
down & unconfigurable.
If I wanted a toaster, I'd get a MAC.
To have to hack the registry & use third party software to make it work
anywhere close to the way you want is silly.
You can do that with free software...look at AOL.
They tried to make it as easy as possible for beginners, locked down
software, no customizing available.
Now they are giving their service away and still declining.
I like the Ditech commercial (even if it's only HALF true)
People are smart...
MS is treating us like dummies.

"Nick Mason" <noemail@nospam> wrote in message
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> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>>
>> Microsoft still don't get it is MY computer (and YOUR computer), not
>> their computers. I decide (you decide) where, if, how to move copy,
>> delete, rename files. I (you decide) decide if or not I want their
>> klunky defrag crap running in the background, if I want files indexed,
>> thumbnails created, column headings added, changed, etc.. I'm sick and
>> tired of some bubble headed geek sitting in some cubicle in Redmond
>> trying to decide what's best for me with useless garbage like UAC or
>> sniffing my files for DRM violations and all the other behind your
>> back crap Vista now does without telling you or asking you. I CAN
>> DECIDE FOR MYSELF!
>
> I have a lot of sympathy with your view but you are a user who knows what
> he's doing and what he wants from his computer.
>
> Most of the people I deal with know little or nothing about their
> computer. They want it to behave like any other bit of consumer hardware
> they own, computer or toaster, they don't care how it works and they don't
> want to get involved. Many of them don't don't move files about and they
> only delete stuff when they run out of space, then they start deleting
> stuff they shouldn't.
>
> How many 'users' do you know with state of the art PCs who only use them
> for email, browsing, a bit of on-line shopping and to write the occasional
> document?
>
> I'm amazed by the number of people who ask me to 'Get rid of the Start
> button and tool bar.' All they want is a blank desktop with three icons,
> email, word processor and browser.
>
> --
>
> Regards
> Nick

Hi,
You can get Vista to leave your column settings alone...

To set columns for a folder, right-click in the folder >Customize this
folder> What kind of folder do you want? Use this folder as a template>
select "All Items." Vista should stop changing columns for that folder.

Hope this helps,
Don
[MS MVP- IE]

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:edpms6QqHHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I have a folder on a partition where I store disk images created by
Acronis
> True Image (.tib files). For some reason, Vista in its infinite wisdom
has
> decided that this folder contains "picture" type images and has presented
me
> with columns such as "Date Taken" and "Rating" along with a "Slide Show"
> option above. I guess it's trying to be smart with a file type that
> includes the word "Image". There's nothing but .tib files in this folder
> and there are no images anywhere on the partition. If I click on "More"
to
> try to select the correct columns I am presented with options such as
"Frame
> width" and "Camera model" all of which have little relevance to disk
images.
>
> I know I can ignore all the amusing options and just select the correct
> columns but I thought it was an interesting example of how "smart" Vista
> tries to be...

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:18:06 +1000, "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> Microsoft still don't get it is MY computer (and YOUR computer), not
> their computers.

Not any more it isn't! "My Computer" has become "Computer".

They're slowly getting us used to the fact that, in the future, we won't own
the computer, just license it. To buy a license to use a computer, you'll
have to agree to a EULA. No software will run on the machine until you do
and even then the software will be on the Web rather than resident on the
machine you're using. After we're used to that model, they'll start
charging
a subscription fee to allow us to use the computers in our home. If you
don't
pay, you'll have a nice piece of useless hardware. No software will run on
it
until you "re-up" and pay the fee.

8^) (At least I *hope* it's only a joke!)

Tom Lake

Not Me wrote:
> And there should be a way to set it up as a power user wants, not
> locked down & unconfigurable.
> If I wanted a toaster, I'd get a MAC.
> To have to hack the registry & use third party software to make it
> work anywhere close to the way you want is silly.
> You can do that with free software...look at AOL.
> They tried to make it as easy as possible for beginners, locked down
> software, no customizing available.
> Now they are giving their service away and still declining.
> I like the Ditech commercial (even if it's only HALF true)
> People are smart...
> MS is treating us like dummies.

You miss the point, most PC users are dummies and MS caters for the
majority, that's just good business sense.

It isn't silly to have to set it up as we want. You use the tool MS gave
power users, regedit and the administrative tools that allow you to start
and stop services, set policies and generaly configure windows to do what
you want it to the way you want it to. That's what being a power user is.

You seem to confusing the way you want Windows to work with the way other
users want it to work. I bet what I want differs from what you want, we each
have our own idea of what it should be like. MS have to start somewhere,
there has to be an out of the box set up and they've gone for one that the
majority are happy with. You, me and the other power users need to put in a
little effort to get things right for us. It isn't a problem for me and many
others.

Being smart has nothing to do with it. My wife is smart, she speaks five
languages and has two degrees but she knows nothing about computers. She can
do email, create documents and spreadsheets and that's all she needs.

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Regards
Nick