Vista - why why why

why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
unsuspecting world...

people everyday rely on computers for their work, but sadly when they cannot
do half the work they used to because vista runs so slowly, they begin to get
discruntled, disillusioned and downright angry that they have been conned
into installing a product that clearly isn't fit for the purpose that is was
sold for. This in the eyes of the law is fraud.

I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this laptop
should have no problems....

well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience it's
the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb files
they take a while!)

commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
make a cuppa....

so what's going on?

i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....

so my 'suggestion' to microsoft would be to actually recall, refund and
redesign vista....so that it actually works!

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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

On Jun 12, 8:33 am, mas despacio <mas
despa...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
> unsuspecting world...
>

{snip}

> I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
> 2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
> 'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this laptop
> should have no problems....
>
> well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
> annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience it's
> the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
> network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb files
> they take a while!)
>
> commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
> make a cuppa....
{snip}

What apps?
My Vista laptop is the quickest machine I've owned. Faster than my
work desktop which is XP and similar specs.
I regurlarly fire up SQL 2005, visual studio (admittedly I don't use
office much on the laptop) and have no problems. I transfer to/from a
usb drive faster than any previous machine.

You don't have to accept it exactly as it comes out of the box. You are
allowed to fine tune it for greater speed, and won't get sent to prison for
doing so. It's not completely against the rules and doesn't violate the
eula.

--
Jon


"mas despacio" <mas despacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:998A3F62-CBB1-4556-81BE-11BB27687EC9@microsoft.com...
> why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
> unsuspecting world...
>
> people everyday rely on computers for their work, but sadly when they
> cannot
> do half the work they used to because vista runs so slowly, they begin to
> get
> discruntled, disillusioned and downright angry that they have been conned
> into installing a product that clearly isn't fit for the purpose that is
> was
> sold for. This in the eyes of the law is fraud.
>
> I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
> 2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
> 'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this
> laptop
> should have no problems....
>
> well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
> annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience
> it's
> the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
> network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb
> files
> they take a while!)
>
> commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
> make a cuppa....
>
> so what's going on?
>
> i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
> little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
> free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....
>
> so my 'suggestion' to microsoft would be to actually recall, refund and
> redesign vista....so that it actually works!
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Please relize that not everyone has the same experience you do. It's
sort of like someone buying a car that is a lemon. Because some cars
are lemons doesen't prove that every car in that line is a lemon. I
have a laptop with 1 gig of ram, and Vista seems very fast to me.

As to the sticker, rellize that MS sells Vista to computer manufactures
at a steep discount, but with steep discount comes the responsibilty
for the manufacturers to support Vista on their computers. If you
buy a copy of Vista at a store, you will have 90 day free support.

You didn't say if the laptop came equiped with Vista. If it did,
go to the maker and complain about the speed. If it didn't, make
sure you have the correct and current Vista drivers for all your
hardware, as that can make a big difference on both the speed and
relibility of your system.

-- Larry Maturo

"mas despacio" <mas despacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:998A3F62-CBB1-4556-81BE-11BB27687EC9@microsoft.com...
> why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
> unsuspecting world...
>
> people everyday rely on computers for their work, but sadly when they
> cannot
> do half the work they used to because vista runs so slowly, they begin to
> get
> discruntled, disillusioned and downright angry that they have been conned
> into installing a product that clearly isn't fit for the purpose that is
> was
> sold for. This in the eyes of the law is fraud.
>
> I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
> 2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
> 'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this
> laptop
> should have no problems....
>
> well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
> annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience
> it's
> the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
> network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb
> files
> they take a while!)
>
> commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
> make a cuppa....
>
> so what's going on?
>
> i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
> little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
> free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....
>
> so my 'suggestion' to microsoft would be to actually recall, refund and
> redesign vista....so that it actually works!
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

"mas despacio" <mas despacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:998A3F62-CBB1-4556-81BE-11BB27687EC9@microsoft.com...
<snip>
>
> i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
> little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
> free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....
>

That is because it's an OEM install of Windows Vista and you get your
support from your OEM not Microsoft. So take you problems to them.
Although I would have to echo a number of other posters and suggest that
your experience is not common if the platform is as you describe - however
you may wish to look at making a few changes from the as shipped
configuration - there re a number of post about how to speed up network
transfers etc to be found on these newsgroups etc..


--

Mike Brannigan
"mas despacio" <mas despacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:998A3F62-CBB1-4556-81BE-11BB27687EC9@microsoft.com...
> why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
> unsuspecting world...
>
> people everyday rely on computers for their work, but sadly when they
> cannot
> do half the work they used to because vista runs so slowly, they begin to
> get
> discruntled, disillusioned and downright angry that they have been conned
> into installing a product that clearly isn't fit for the purpose that is
> was
> sold for. This in the eyes of the law is fraud.
>
> I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
> 2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
> 'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this
> laptop
> should have no problems....
>
> well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
> annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience
> it's
> the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
> network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb
> files
> they take a while!)
>
> commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
> make a cuppa....
>
> so what's going on?
>
> i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
> little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
> free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....
>
> so my 'suggestion' to microsoft would be to actually recall, refund and
> redesign vista....so that it actually works!
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

If not everyone has the same experience as me, why are there so many posts
about reverting to xp...and as to OEM is that not MS sherking its
responsibility to the end user, afterall dell are now supplying new pc's with
xp - again...is that the step forward that vista was supposed to bring...and
yes, i have been through all the documentation, got all the latest drivers
and done every tweak i can find...

"Larry Maturo" wrote:

> Please relize that not everyone has the same experience you do. It's
> sort of like someone buying a car that is a lemon. Because some cars
> are lemons doesen't prove that every car in that line is a lemon. I
> have a laptop with 1 gig of ram, and Vista seems very fast to me.
>
> As to the sticker, rellize that MS sells Vista to computer manufactures
> at a steep discount, but with steep discount comes the responsibilty
> for the manufacturers to support Vista on their computers. If you
> buy a copy of Vista at a store, you will have 90 day free support.
>
> You didn't say if the laptop came equiped with Vista. If it did,
> go to the maker and complain about the speed. If it didn't, make
> sure you have the correct and current Vista drivers for all your
> hardware, as that can make a big difference on both the speed and
> relibility of your system.
>
> -- Larry Maturo
>
> "mas despacio" <mas despacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:998A3F62-CBB1-4556-81BE-11BB27687EC9@microsoft.com...
> > why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
> > unsuspecting world...
> >
> > people everyday rely on computers for their work, but sadly when they
> > cannot
> > do half the work they used to because vista runs so slowly, they begin to
> > get
> > discruntled, disillusioned and downright angry that they have been conned
> > into installing a product that clearly isn't fit for the purpose that is
> > was
> > sold for. This in the eyes of the law is fraud.
> >
> > I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
> > 2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
> > 'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this
> > laptop
> > should have no problems....
> >
> > well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
> > annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience
> > it's
> > the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
> > network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb
> > files
> > they take a while!)
> >
> > commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
> > make a cuppa....
> >
> > so what's going on?
> >
> > i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
> > little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
> > free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....
> >
> > so my 'suggestion' to microsoft would be to actually recall, refund and
> > redesign vista....so that it actually works!
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>
>
>

"mas despacio" <masdespacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8F0F0B1B-7898-4E11-AE5B-A34DB187890C@microsoft.com...
> If not everyone has the same experience as me, why are there so many posts
> about reverting to xp...and as to OEM is that not MS sherking its
> responsibility to the end user, afterall dell are now supplying new pc's
> with
> xp - again...is that the step forward that vista was supposed to
> bring...and
> yes, i have been through all the documentation, got all the latest drivers
> and done every tweak i can find...
>
> "Larry Maturo" wrote:
>


Because there are plenty of tweaks that you didn't find, and neither did
they.

--
Jon

there may be loads of tweaks out there, but there is still one question...why
should I or anyone have to go out and find them...these things should have
been done before product launch...

"Jon" wrote:

>
> "mas despacio" <masdespacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8F0F0B1B-7898-4E11-AE5B-A34DB187890C@microsoft.com...
> > If not everyone has the same experience as me, why are there so many posts
> > about reverting to xp...and as to OEM is that not MS sherking its
> > responsibility to the end user, afterall dell are now supplying new pc's
> > with
> > xp - again...is that the step forward that vista was supposed to
> > bring...and
> > yes, i have been through all the documentation, got all the latest drivers
> > and done every tweak i can find...
> >
> > "Larry Maturo" wrote:
> >
>
>
> Because there are plenty of tweaks that you didn't find, and neither did
> they.
>
> --
> Jon
>
>
>
>

I just finished transferring a 6.7 gig file from my Vista box to my Windows
XP box. The transfer speed was over 90mb/s on a 100mb/s wired LAN.

Do some people have slow transfers? I am sure. Do they have their network
setup correctly? Who knows. But I have been able to solve for the slow
transfer rate problem in three different establishments at this point. In
each case their network computers were mis-configured and pretty much
screwed up. And no one, least of all I, considers me a network specialist.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"mas despacio" <mas despacio@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:998A3F62-CBB1-4556-81BE-11BB27687EC9@microsoft.com...
> why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
> unsuspecting world...
>
> people everyday rely on computers for their work, but sadly when they
> cannot
> do half the work they used to because vista runs so slowly, they begin to
> get
> discruntled, disillusioned and downright angry that they have been conned
> into installing a product that clearly isn't fit for the purpose that is
> was
> sold for. This in the eyes of the law is fraud.
>
> I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
> 2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
> 'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this
> laptop
> should have no problems....
>
> well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
> annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience
> it's
> the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
> network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb
> files
> they take a while!)
>
> commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
> make a cuppa....
>
> so what's going on?
>
> i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
> little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
> free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....
>
> so my 'suggestion' to microsoft would be to actually recall, refund and
> redesign vista....so that it actually works!
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

> If not everyone has the same experience as me, why are there so many posts
> about reverting to xp...

LOL!! There are over twenty MILLION Vista licenses shipped. Count up those
"so many" posts you refer to and work out the percentage of 20 million.

Of course, not everyone who reverts to XP announces it on this newsgroup.
So double them, or multiply them by ten, or a hundred, or a thousand even,
and then work out the percentage. It's tiny.

Thack