Vista - 'SendTo'

Seeing as how the "Documents and Settings" folder is so finicky about
allowing access, just how in the heck am I supposed to drop shortcuts;
various & sundry, in there?

Quite a few are presently thereabouts, but I am able to concoct some
which are not, unfortunately, allowed in :-(

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"Manatee Memories" <royalfeline!REMOVE!@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Seeing as how the "Documents and Settings" folder is so finicky about
> allowing access, just how in the heck am I supposed to drop shortcuts;
> various & sundry, in there?
>
> Quite a few are presently thereabouts, but I am able to concoct some
> which are not, unfortunately, allowed in :-(

Apparently Documents and Settings is simply a pointer to a new location for
backward compatibility.
Look for C:\users\<%username%> to find the new location

Jay

Manatee Memories wrote:
> Seeing as how the "Documents and Settings" folder is so finicky about
> allowing access, just how in the heck am I supposed to drop shortcuts;
> various & sundry, in there?
>
> Quite a few are presently thereabouts, but I am able to concoct some
> which are not, unfortunately, allowed in :-(
>

Documents and Settings is not a directory and you cannot access it or
put short cuts in there. You need to be looking in C:\Users\%Username% now.

To get to the Sendto directory click on the Orb and in the Start Search
entry box type

shell:sendto

and place short cuts in the directory which opens.

"Manatee Memories" wrote
> Seeing as how the "Documents and Settings" folder is so finicky about
> allowing access, just how in the heck am I supposed to drop shortcuts;
> various & sundry, in there?
>
> Quite a few are presently thereabouts, but I am able to concoct some
> which are not, unfortunately, allowed in :-(

It's not finicky. Access is denied for a reason. You only saw it and other
such those folders because you elected to show hidden files/folders and
display protected Operating system files and folders. They are hidden for a
reason. You don't need access to them. They hold no data. All they contain
is a pointer to the actual folder where the data is kept. They are actually
a junction point.

Certain folders used in XP, such as these, were brought into Vista for
compatibility for legacy apps. They are not used to store data. They appear
dimmed with the shortcut arrow and give access denied. If you want to see
what folder it points to, open a elevated command prompt, navigate to the
folder that contains the folder in question and give the command:
dir /al

Junction points are designated by <Junction> and the folder to which it
points is at the end of the line in square brackets. Do not change the
permissions on these junction points. It can cause problems for the same
legacy apps they are they for in the first place.

From a post by Jimmy Brush here is a list of the these XP folders and their
corresponding locations in Vista:
Windows XP Location Windows Vista Location
\Documents and Settings \Users
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents \Users\$USER$\Documents
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music \Users\$USER$\Music
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
\Users\$USER$\Pictures
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
\Users\$USER$\Videos
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookies
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
\Documents and Settings\All Users \ProgramData
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \ProgramData
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop \Users\Public\Desktop
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents \Users\Public\Documents
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites \Users\Public\Favorites
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
\Documents and Settings\Default User \Users\Default "

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:14:35 +0100, Neil Harley <nomail@home.com> wrote,
by way of <e6TRlIYrHHA.4984@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, in
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general -->

>Manatee Memories wrote:
>> Seeing as how the "Documents and Settings" folder is so finicky about
>> allowing access, just how in the heck am I supposed to drop shortcuts;
>> various & sundry, in there?
>>
>> Quite a few are presently thereabouts, but I am able to concoct some
>> which are not, unfortunately, allowed in :-(
>>
>
>Documents and Settings is not a directory and you cannot access it or
>put short cuts in there. You need to be looking in C:\Users\%Username% now.
>
>To get to the Sendto directory click on the Orb and in the Start Search
>entry box type
>
>shell:sendto
>
>and place short cuts in the directory which opens.

Thank you

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Thanks for this explanation. I was actually trying to find out how to move
the entire Users folder to another drive and stumbled across this post. It's
the first explanation I've seen for what I thought were shortcuts and are in
fact something else (junction points). Maybe could have used a different
icon on them rather than the arrow but that's not a big complaint..

(and if you know how to move the entire users folder to another drive....)

Cheers,

"Rock" wrote:

> "Manatee Memories" wrote
> > Seeing as how the "Documents and Settings" folder is so finicky about
> > allowing access, just how in the heck am I supposed to drop shortcuts;
> > various & sundry, in there?
> >
> > Quite a few are presently thereabouts, but I am able to concoct some
> > which are not, unfortunately, allowed in :-(
>
> It's not finicky. Access is denied for a reason. You only saw it and other
> such those folders because you elected to show hidden files/folders and
> display protected Operating system files and folders. They are hidden for a
> reason. You don't need access to them. They hold no data. All they contain
> is a pointer to the actual folder where the data is kept. They are actually
> a junction point.
>
> Certain folders used in XP, such as these, were brought into Vista for
> compatibility for legacy apps. They are not used to store data. They appear
> dimmed with the shortcut arrow and give access denied. If you want to see
> what folder it points to, open a elevated command prompt, navigate to the
> folder that contains the folder in question and give the command:
> dir /al
>
> Junction points are designated by <Junction> and the folder to which it
> points is at the end of the line in square brackets. Do not change the
> permissions on these junction points. It can cause problems for the same
> legacy apps they are they for in the first place.
>
> From a post by Jimmy Brush here is a list of the these XP folders and their
> corresponding locations in Vista:
> Windows XP Location Windows Vista Location
> \Documents and Settings \Users
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents \Users\$USER$\Documents
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music \Users\$USER$\Music
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
> \Users\$USER$\Pictures
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
> \Users\$USER$\Videos
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookies
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History
> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
> \Documents and Settings\All Users \ProgramData
> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \ProgramData
> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop \Users\Public\Desktop
> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents \Users\Public\Documents
> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites \Users\Public\Favorites
> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
> \Documents and Settings\Default User \Users\Default "
>
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> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>
>

"Manatee Memories" wrote

"Rock" wrote>
>>"Manatee Memories" wrote
>>> Seeing as how the "Documents and Settings" folder is so finicky about
>>> allowing access, just how in the heck am I supposed to drop shortcuts;
>>> various & sundry, in there?
>>>
>>> Quite a few are presently thereabouts, but I am able to concoct some
>>> which are not, unfortunately, allowed in :-(
>>
>>It's not finicky. Access is denied for a reason. You only saw it and
>>other
>>such those folders because you elected to show hidden files/folders and
>>display protected Operating system files and folders. They are hidden for
>>a
>>reason. You don't need access to them. They hold no data. All they contain
>>is a pointer to the actual folder where the data is kept.
> [snip]
>
> 'Short & sweet' would have been nice.
>
>>Certain folders used in XP, such as these, were brought into Vista for
>>compatibility for legacy apps. They are not used to store data. They
>>appear
>>dimmed with the shortcut arrow and give access denied.
>
> Right-click, scroll to 'Properties', then un-check/tick "Hidden" (also,
> possibly, "Read-only"). Been doing that since August of 1995, when Win95
> first came onto the scene. I saw no reason why such would not suffice,
> now.

Well since it's a different OS and a different issue, that's way that does
not suffice. Now you know, eh?

>> If you want to see
>>what folder it points to, open a elevated command prompt, navigate to the
>>folder that contains the folder in question and give the command:
>>dir /al
>
> Or, right-lick & scroll to 'Properties'?

No, that doesn't show the folder to which the junction points.

>>Junction points are designated by <Junction> and the folder to which it
>>points is at the end of the line in square brackets. Do not change the
>>permissions on these junction points. It can cause problems for the same
>>legacy apps they are they for in the first place.
>
> The system would not consent to allow my (attempts at) changes, so
> your-above is essentially moot.

It's not moot. Those permissions can be changed. Fortunately it seems that
how you were doing it didn' not work. Had you changed the permissions that
could cause other problems. So leave them be.

>>From a post by Jimmy Brush here is a list of the these XP folders and
>>their
>>corresponding locations in Vista:
>>Windows XP Location Windows Vista Location
>>\Documents and Settings \Users
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents \Users\$USER$\Documents
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music \Users\$USER$\Music
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
>>\Users\$USER$\Pictures
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
>>\Users\$USER$\Videos
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookies
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History
>>\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
>>\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
>>\Documents and Settings\All Users \ProgramData
>>\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \ProgramData
>>\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop \Users\Public\Desktop
>>\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents \Users\Public\Documents
>>\Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites \Users\Public\Favorites
>>\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
>>\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
>>\Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
>>\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
>>\Documents and Settings\Default User \Users\Default "
>
> My oh my. So _much_ appears to have changed, between XP & Vista
> (reminiscent of when Win 3.11 changed to Win95). I predict "interesting
> times" await old Win users.

There is a paradigm shift in going to Vista, that's for sure. Where folks
get into trouble is assuming things are the same and using the XP model to
change things in Vista, which ends in the confusion. So realize it's
different, use the experience with XP as a springboard but be aware there
are differences so if things don't seem the same, get some info on it before
blindly making changes.

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"thefirstspike" wrote
> Thanks for this explanation. I was actually trying to find out how to
> move
> the entire Users folder to another drive and stumbled across this post.
> It's
> the first explanation I've seen for what I thought were shortcuts and are
> in
> fact something else (junction points). Maybe could have used a different
> icon on them rather than the arrow but that's not a big complaint..
>
> (and if you know how to move the entire users folder to another drive....)

You're welcome. I'm not sure if that can be done. You can relocate various
of the folders under it, I believe. I've not looked into this issue, so
sorry I can't help you out there.

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