Vista - It's jusst too d--- complicated

I've been using Vista for four months now, so I feel I can make some
well-grounded comments about it. Here goes:

I'm no power user. Just a guy who wants to use my computer to do some
run-of-the-mill work, like surfing the Net and e-mail. I'm not a computer
engineer, but I've been using them for, oh, let's see, 20 years or so, so I'm
no beginner, either. Here's my main problem -- Vista is just too damn
complicated for people like me. It's clearly aimed at people who are expert
computer users. Microsoft has banished the likes of me to some kind of
techno-wilderness.

F'rinstance: What's with all these sleep modes? It's asleep, it's
hibernating, it's sort of hibernating. Ach, forget all that. The damn thing
should be either asleep or awake. I switched over to Vista directly from
Win98, so maybe this isn't new to all of you, but it sure is nonsensical to
me.

Am I an administrator or not? And why on God's green Earth should that make
a difference? Just another layer of bull---- to plow through on my way to
getting my work done.

I'm sick to death of these stupid error messages that are nothing but
gibberish. Why can't an error message simply tell me what's wrong and what to
do about it? This has been a Windows problem forever, and I'm willing to bet
that Microsoft has had gazillions of complaints about it, and has done zip.
Worse than zip. It's rendered these messages in some kind of language that
only someone from Pluto could comprehend. Just more proof that the Redmond
crowd gives not a dandy damn about anyone but computer experts and kids who
want to be "cool."

These clowns need to be well and truly ashamed of themselves for trotting
out a Vista that is clearly not ready for public consumption. So many bugs,
so many problems, so hard to use. Are they so high and mighty that they can
afford to thumb their noses at their customers this way? Apparently so.

I know a number of people who have thrown up their hands with Vista and say
they are switching to Macs. I don't know how many have actually done so, and
I don't really know if Macs are substantially easier to use, though Mac users
insist they are, and I know some pretty smart people who have Macs. But I
know this: The evolution of Windows has reached a point where I can no longer
deal with it. Yes, I'm keeping my Vista computer, because it was expensive,
and I'll muddle through. But, damn it, I should not have to "muddle through."
This is my last Windows machine. After this, I'm trying a Mac. How much worse
can it be?

Chet

I certainly sympathize with your point of view, but rest assured that even we
geeks who are from Pluto get just as frustrated with computers as you say you
are right now.

Your plight is not unique to you, so don't feel so victimized.



"Chester GS" wrote:

> I've been using Vista for four months now, so I feel I can make some
> well-grounded comments about it. Here goes:
>
> I'm no power user. Just a guy who wants to use my computer to do some
> run-of-the-mill work, like surfing the Net and e-mail. I'm not a computer
> engineer, but I've been using them for, oh, let's see, 20 years or so, so I'm
> no beginner, either. Here's my main problem -- Vista is just too damn
> complicated for people like me. It's clearly aimed at people who are expert
> computer users. Microsoft has banished the likes of me to some kind of
> techno-wilderness.
>
> F'rinstance: What's with all these sleep modes? It's asleep, it's
> hibernating, it's sort of hibernating. Ach, forget all that. The damn thing
> should be either asleep or awake. I switched over to Vista directly from
> Win98, so maybe this isn't new to all of you, but it sure is nonsensical to
> me.
>
> Am I an administrator or not? And why on God's green Earth should that make
> a difference? Just another layer of bull---- to plow through on my way to
> getting my work done.
>
> I'm sick to death of these stupid error messages that are nothing but
> gibberish. Why can't an error message simply tell me what's wrong and what to
> do about it? This has been a Windows problem forever, and I'm willing to bet
> that Microsoft has had gazillions of complaints about it, and has done zip.
> Worse than zip. It's rendered these messages in some kind of language that
> only someone from Pluto could comprehend. Just more proof that the Redmond
> crowd gives not a dandy damn about anyone but computer experts and kids who
> want to be "cool."
>
> These clowns need to be well and truly ashamed of themselves for trotting
> out a Vista that is clearly not ready for public consumption. So many bugs,
> so many problems, so hard to use. Are they so high and mighty that they can
> afford to thumb their noses at their customers this way? Apparently so.
>
> I know a number of people who have thrown up their hands with Vista and say
> they are switching to Macs. I don't know how many have actually done so, and
> I don't really know if Macs are substantially easier to use, though Mac users
> insist they are, and I know some pretty smart people who have Macs. But I
> know this: The evolution of Windows has reached a point where I can no longer
> deal with it. Yes, I'm keeping my Vista computer, because it was expensive,
> and I'll muddle through. But, damn it, I should not have to "muddle through."
> This is my last Windows machine. After this, I'm trying a Mac. How much worse
> can it be?
>
> Chet
>
>

so to sum it up, you are saying what I have been saying for the last 9
months:

VISTA IS STUPID

thank you.

"Chester GS" <ChesterGS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C7FE4CD5-224F-4170-93A0-607D148B7920@microsoft.com...
> I've been using Vista for four months now, so I feel I can make some
> well-grounded comments about it. Here goes:
>
> I'm no power user. Just a guy who wants to use my computer to do some
> run-of-the-mill work, like surfing the Net and e-mail. I'm not a computer
> engineer, but I've been using them for, oh, let's see, 20 years or so, so
> I'm
> no beginner, either. Here's my main problem -- Vista is just too damn
> complicated for people like me. It's clearly aimed at people who are
> expert
> computer users. Microsoft has banished the likes of me to some kind of
> techno-wilderness.
>
> F'rinstance: What's with all these sleep modes? It's asleep, it's
> hibernating, it's sort of hibernating. Ach, forget all that. The damn
> thing
> should be either asleep or awake. I switched over to Vista directly from
> Win98, so maybe this isn't new to all of you, but it sure is nonsensical
> to
> me.
>
> Am I an administrator or not? And why on God's green Earth should that
> make
> a difference? Just another layer of bull---- to plow through on my way to
> getting my work done.
>
> I'm sick to death of these stupid error messages that are nothing but
> gibberish. Why can't an error message simply tell me what's wrong and what
> to
> do about it? This has been a Windows problem forever, and I'm willing to
> bet
> that Microsoft has had gazillions of complaints about it, and has done
> zip.
> Worse than zip. It's rendered these messages in some kind of language that
> only someone from Pluto could comprehend. Just more proof that the Redmond
> crowd gives not a dandy damn about anyone but computer experts and kids
> who
> want to be "cool."
>
> These clowns need to be well and truly ashamed of themselves for trotting
> out a Vista that is clearly not ready for public consumption. So many
> bugs,
> so many problems, so hard to use. Are they so high and mighty that they
> can
> afford to thumb their noses at their customers this way? Apparently so.
>
> I know a number of people who have thrown up their hands with Vista and
> say
> they are switching to Macs. I don't know how many have actually done so,
> and
> I don't really know if Macs are substantially easier to use, though Mac
> users
> insist they are, and I know some pretty smart people who have Macs. But I
> know this: The evolution of Windows has reached a point where I can no
> longer
> deal with it. Yes, I'm keeping my Vista computer, because it was
> expensive,
> and I'll muddle through. But, damn it, I should not have to "muddle
> through."
> This is my last Windows machine. After this, I'm trying a Mac. How much
> worse
> can it be?
>
> Chet
>
>

Hi Chet,

Sorry your having problems with Vista. That was a big jump from Win98 though. It'll get a easier for you once you learn the differences. Here are some links that might help you when needed. Plus, post any specific problems you are having, and someone can help you with it.


For Tips on Vista: http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/

For Vista Help & How To: Windows Vista: Help and How-to

Hope this helps you,
Shawn

To claim, even by rumor, that a Mac is not complicated or easy is the
stupidest statement that anyone can make.

Ask anyone in charge of a group of Mac computers and users.

Tiberius,

I guess we are using completely different copies of vista, because I have
been using it since Jan and it has worked
spot on, Yes I had some installation troubles but with a bit of effort and
time overcome these. Now the OS is working great but I guess as you say
"Vista is Stupid" and not the operator.

Maybe people should make as much effort working with a new OS i.e.
overcoming there issues instead of calling
it names.


"Tiberius" <J@T.K> wrote in message
news:ei$wiskrHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> so to sum it up, you are saying what I have been saying for the last 9
> months:
>
> VISTA IS STUPID
>
> thank you.
>
> "Chester GS" <ChesterGS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C7FE4CD5-224F-4170-93A0-607D148B7920@microsoft.com...
>> I've been using Vista for four months now, so I feel I can make some
>> well-grounded comments about it. Here goes:
>>
>> I'm no power user. Just a guy who wants to use my computer to do some
>> run-of-the-mill work, like surfing the Net and e-mail. I'm not a computer
>> engineer, but I've been using them for, oh, let's see, 20 years or so, so
>> I'm
>> no beginner, either. Here's my main problem -- Vista is just too damn
>> complicated for people like me. It's clearly aimed at people who are
>> expert
>> computer users. Microsoft has banished the likes of me to some kind of
>> techno-wilderness.
>>
>> F'rinstance: What's with all these sleep modes? It's asleep, it's
>> hibernating, it's sort of hibernating. Ach, forget all that. The damn
>> thing
>> should be either asleep or awake. I switched over to Vista directly from
>> Win98, so maybe this isn't new to all of you, but it sure is nonsensical
>> to
>> me.
>>
>> Am I an administrator or not? And why on God's green Earth should that
>> make
>> a difference? Just another layer of bull---- to plow through on my way to
>> getting my work done.
>>
>> I'm sick to death of these stupid error messages that are nothing but
>> gibberish. Why can't an error message simply tell me what's wrong and
>> what to
>> do about it? This has been a Windows problem forever, and I'm willing to
>> bet
>> that Microsoft has had gazillions of complaints about it, and has done
>> zip.
>> Worse than zip. It's rendered these messages in some kind of language
>> that
>> only someone from Pluto could comprehend. Just more proof that the
>> Redmond
>> crowd gives not a dandy damn about anyone but computer experts and kids
>> who
>> want to be "cool."
>>
>> These clowns need to be well and truly ashamed of themselves for trotting
>> out a Vista that is clearly not ready for public consumption. So many
>> bugs,
>> so many problems, so hard to use. Are they so high and mighty that they
>> can
>> afford to thumb their noses at their customers this way? Apparently so.
>>
>> I know a number of people who have thrown up their hands with Vista and
>> say
>> they are switching to Macs. I don't know how many have actually done so,
>> and
>> I don't really know if Macs are substantially easier to use, though Mac
>> users
>> insist they are, and I know some pretty smart people who have Macs. But I
>> know this: The evolution of Windows has reached a point where I can no
>> longer
>> deal with it. Yes, I'm keeping my Vista computer, because it was
>> expensive,
>> and I'll muddle through. But, damn it, I should not have to "muddle
>> through."
>> This is my last Windows machine. After this, I'm trying a Mac. How much
>> worse
>> can it be?
>>
>> Chet
>>
>>
>
>

The last 9 months ? 5112 came out in 2005.

"Tiberius" <J@T.K> wrote in message
news:ei$wiskrHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> so to sum it up, you are saying what I have been saying for the last 9
> months:
>
> VISTA IS STUPID
>
> thank you.
>
> "Chester GS" <ChesterGS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C7FE4CD5-224F-4170-93A0-607D148B7920@microsoft.com...
>> I've been using Vista for four months now, so I feel I can make some
>> well-grounded comments about it. Here goes:
>>
>> I'm no power user. Just a guy who wants to use my computer to do some
>> run-of-the-mill work, like surfing the Net and e-mail. I'm not a computer
>> engineer, but I've been using them for, oh, let's see, 20 years or so, so
>> I'm
>> no beginner, either. Here's my main problem -- Vista is just too damn
>> complicated for people like me. It's clearly aimed at people who are
>> expert
>> computer users. Microsoft has banished the likes of me to some kind of
>> techno-wilderness.
>>
>> F'rinstance: What's with all these sleep modes? It's asleep, it's
>> hibernating, it's sort of hibernating. Ach, forget all that. The damn
>> thing
>> should be either asleep or awake. I switched over to Vista directly from
>> Win98, so maybe this isn't new to all of you, but it sure is nonsensical
>> to
>> me.
>>
>> Am I an administrator or not? And why on God's green Earth should that
>> make
>> a difference? Just another layer of bull---- to plow through on my way to
>> getting my work done.
>>
>> I'm sick to death of these stupid error messages that are nothing but
>> gibberish. Why can't an error message simply tell me what's wrong and
>> what to
>> do about it? This has been a Windows problem forever, and I'm willing to
>> bet
>> that Microsoft has had gazillions of complaints about it, and has done
>> zip.
>> Worse than zip. It's rendered these messages in some kind of language
>> that
>> only someone from Pluto could comprehend. Just more proof that the
>> Redmond
>> crowd gives not a dandy damn about anyone but computer experts and kids
>> who
>> want to be "cool."
>>
>> These clowns need to be well and truly ashamed of themselves for trotting
>> out a Vista that is clearly not ready for public consumption. So many
>> bugs,
>> so many problems, so hard to use. Are they so high and mighty that they
>> can
>> afford to thumb their noses at their customers this way? Apparently so.
>>
>> I know a number of people who have thrown up their hands with Vista and
>> say
>> they are switching to Macs. I don't know how many have actually done so,
>> and
>> I don't really know if Macs are substantially easier to use, though Mac
>> users
>> insist they are, and I know some pretty smart people who have Macs. But I
>> know this: The evolution of Windows has reached a point where I can no
>> longer
>> deal with it. Yes, I'm keeping my Vista computer, because it was
>> expensive,
>> and I'll muddle through. But, damn it, I should not have to "muddle
>> through."
>> This is my last Windows machine. After this, I'm trying a Mac. How much
>> worse
>> can it be?
>>
>> Chet
>>
>>
>
>

Complicated = stupid

Thank YOU .. now that explains a lot

Mark Twain:
"better to keep your mouth shut an only appear to be a fool, that to open it
and remove all doubt"

Rich

Ok here is a more detail explaination, that I actually took the time to
write... so you can understand some of the thoughts behind "vista is stupid
(tm)"

I believe an OS must be intelligently designed based on scientific study of
human - computer interaction, plus with the additional features that the
creative, non verbal, visual mind would create.

Vista is seems was built by monkeys. With one look of 5 minutes, a keen
observer who is proficient in design, and computers will tell you that:

-Vista was not created after any study of human-computer interaction
-the decisions made in the interface is a jumble different concepts smashed
together in an ugly way.
-Microsoft simply ignored what people really wanted from the next version of
windows, did almost nothing of all that, rather they did what they liked
without the proper preparation and ergonomic testing done.
-Vista took XP, and added too much nonsense stuff that run in the
background, or loading memory too much, making the user experience very
slow.
-There are not really many improvements done under the hood to justify the
hype of vista.


I believe that MS should have done this: Have a room with 100 people of
various computer skill ability, to do various tasks on various interfaces,
and have a group of at least 6 people who are really qualified to interpret
the reactions of the people who are using the interfaces and determine what
works and what doesn't.
This would include testing of the vital biological feedback given from the
user, using lie detector technology, that will show, stress, and
frustration, the speed of the the motion of the hand, and where the eye
focuses and spends more time on. I am VERY SERIOUS about this.. this is not
a joke!

They do this when making the design of the controls for fighter jets.. the
same thing is needed..

Study should be done on nature, and transfer a natural element into the
computing environment. This has been done in many areas of art and
technology.

All this can be done, and have been done for other things.. but Microsoft
doesn't really care about doing this..
Vista seems like me, that it was given to a bunch of amateur computer code
writers to develop it, some graphical artists that have no clue about
how the human brain works.....

Yet Microsoft has the resources to do all this research needed.... You would
be amazed on how small things would give a big improvement.
But there must be care for the user... a feeling of the need to serve the
customers in the best possible way, and going beyond all limitations
to reach that goal. Much more thought went into DRM and activation
technologies than serving the people.. the users.. the customers.

Vista lacks all this.. vista is the worse version of windows ever (giving
the time frame it was made in) because it is actually worse than XP, in
human computer interaction, speed, reliability, visual clutter...
everything. For those who complain about the fisher price theme, that's only
a theme.. there are thousands of nice themes you could use.. that would
change the colors, but retain the structure.

My opinion is that they should do what I propose at least in the next
version of windows. You don't always have to do super duper innovations...
just make things work better, have everything work in a flow... You cant
change too many things in the interface because you have a userbase
that needs to still be able to use the interface.

Vista is so stupid, that I am surprised how many people don't see this. My
only explanation is that this is due to ignorance. IGNORANCE.

But it is not the job of the user to think about all this. This is the job
of the people making the product.

Vista needs a genius or a group of geniuses behind it. I am not talking
about mere smart people. MS has a lot of those...
I am talking about a brilliant genius that understands all what I said, and
will create a process by utilizing people and technology
to produce extremely high quality products.

I have studied over the years how geniuses create foundations that create
phenomenal results. Bill gates did that too ... but times have changed now
and people need another level of quality that has never before been done.


"DX" <mine@> wrote in message news:eubl$9krHHA.4548@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Tiberius,
>
> I guess we are using completely different copies of vista, because I have
> been using it since Jan and it has worked
> spot on, Yes I had some installation troubles but with a bit of effort and
> time overcome these. Now the OS is working great but I guess as you say
> "Vista is Stupid" and not the operator.
>
> Maybe people should make as much effort working with a new OS i.e.
> overcoming there issues instead of calling
> it names.
>
>
> "Tiberius" <J@T.K> wrote in message
> news:ei$wiskrHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> so to sum it up, you are saying what I have been saying for the last 9
>> months:
>>
>> VISTA IS STUPID
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> "Chester GS" <ChesterGS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C7FE4CD5-224F-4170-93A0-607D148B7920@microsoft.com...
>>> I've been using Vista for four months now, so I feel I can make some
>>> well-grounded comments about it. Here goes:
>>>
>>> I'm no power user. Just a guy who wants to use my computer to do some
>>> run-of-the-mill work, like surfing the Net and e-mail. I'm not a
>>> computer
>>> engineer, but I've been using them for, oh, let's see, 20 years or so,
>>> so I'm
>>> no beginner, either. Here's my main problem -- Vista is just too damn
>>> complicated for people like me. It's clearly aimed at people who are
>>> expert
>>> computer users. Microsoft has banished the likes of me to some kind of
>>> techno-wilderness.
>>>
>>> F'rinstance: What's with all these sleep modes? It's asleep, it's
>>> hibernating, it's sort of hibernating. Ach, forget all that. The damn
>>> thing
>>> should be either asleep or awake. I switched over to Vista directly from
>>> Win98, so maybe this isn't new to all of you, but it sure is nonsensical
>>> to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Am I an administrator or not? And why on God's green Earth should that
>>> make
>>> a difference? Just another layer of bull---- to plow through on my way
>>> to
>>> getting my work done.
>>>
>>> I'm sick to death of these stupid error messages that are nothing but
>>> gibberish. Why can't an error message simply tell me what's wrong and
>>> what to
>>> do about it? This has been a Windows problem forever, and I'm willing to
>>> bet
>>> that Microsoft has had gazillions of complaints about it, and has done
>>> zip.
>>> Worse than zip. It's rendered these messages in some kind of language
>>> that
>>> only someone from Pluto could comprehend. Just more proof that the
>>> Redmond
>>> crowd gives not a dandy damn about anyone but computer experts and kids
>>> who
>>> want to be "cool."
>>>
>>> These clowns need to be well and truly ashamed of themselves for
>>> trotting
>>> out a Vista that is clearly not ready for public consumption. So many
>>> bugs,
>>> so many problems, so hard to use. Are they so high and mighty that they
>>> can
>>> afford to thumb their noses at their customers this way? Apparently so.
>>>
>>> I know a number of people who have thrown up their hands with Vista and
>>> say
>>> they are switching to Macs. I don't know how many have actually done so,
>>> and
>>> I don't really know if Macs are substantially easier to use, though Mac
>>> users
>>> insist they are, and I know some pretty smart people who have Macs. But
>>> I
>>> know this: The evolution of Windows has reached a point where I can no
>>> longer
>>> deal with it. Yes, I'm keeping my Vista computer, because it was
>>> expensive,
>>> and I'll muddle through. But, damn it, I should not have to "muddle
>>> through."
>>> This is my last Windows machine. After this, I'm trying a Mac. How much
>>> worse
>>> can it be?
>>>
>>> Chet
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

it wasnt called vista then yet...

I had longhorn, but I was not bashing it too much hoping that in the end
microsoft would pull off some miracle and actually give us a good OS.

It did not. The result was vista.. YUCK!



"SAM-R" <SAM-R@news.postalias> wrote in message
news:uNxl9GlrHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The last 9 months ? 5112 came out in 2005.
>
> "Tiberius" <J@T.K> wrote in message
> news:ei$wiskrHHA.4764@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> so to sum it up, you are saying what I have been saying for the last 9
>> months:
>>
>> VISTA IS STUPID
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> "Chester GS" <ChesterGS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C7FE4CD5-224F-4170-93A0-607D148B7920@microsoft.com...
>>> I've been using Vista for four months now, so I feel I can make some
>>> well-grounded comments about it. Here goes:
>>>
>>> I'm no power user. Just a guy who wants to use my computer to do some
>>> run-of-the-mill work, like surfing the Net and e-mail. I'm not a
>>> computer
>>> engineer, but I've been using them for, oh, let's see, 20 years or so,
>>> so I'm
>>> no beginner, either. Here's my main problem -- Vista is just too damn
>>> complicated for people like me. It's clearly aimed at people who are
>>> expert
>>> computer users. Microsoft has banished the likes of me to some kind of
>>> techno-wilderness.
>>>
>>> F'rinstance: What's with all these sleep modes? It's asleep, it's
>>> hibernating, it's sort of hibernating. Ach, forget all that. The damn
>>> thing
>>> should be either asleep or awake. I switched over to Vista directly from
>>> Win98, so maybe this isn't new to all of you, but it sure is nonsensical
>>> to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Am I an administrator or not? And why on God's green Earth should that
>>> make
>>> a difference? Just another layer of bull---- to plow through on my way
>>> to
>>> getting my work done.
>>>
>>> I'm sick to death of these stupid error messages that are nothing but
>>> gibberish. Why can't an error message simply tell me what's wrong and
>>> what to
>>> do about it? This has been a Windows problem forever, and I'm willing to
>>> bet
>>> that Microsoft has had gazillions of complaints about it, and has done
>>> zip.
>>> Worse than zip. It's rendered these messages in some kind of language
>>> that
>>> only someone from Pluto could comprehend. Just more proof that the
>>> Redmond
>>> crowd gives not a dandy damn about anyone but computer experts and kids
>>> who
>>> want to be "cool."
>>>
>>> These clowns need to be well and truly ashamed of themselves for
>>> trotting
>>> out a Vista that is clearly not ready for public consumption. So many
>>> bugs,
>>> so many problems, so hard to use. Are they so high and mighty that they
>>> can
>>> afford to thumb their noses at their customers this way? Apparently so.
>>>
>>> I know a number of people who have thrown up their hands with Vista and
>>> say
>>> they are switching to Macs. I don't know how many have actually done so,
>>> and
>>> I don't really know if Macs are substantially easier to use, though Mac
>>> users
>>> insist they are, and I know some pretty smart people who have Macs. But
>>> I
>>> know this: The evolution of Windows has reached a point where I can no
>>> longer
>>> deal with it. Yes, I'm keeping my Vista computer, because it was
>>> expensive,
>>> and I'll muddle through. But, damn it, I should not have to "muddle
>>> through."
>>> This is my last Windows machine. After this, I'm trying a Mac. How much
>>> worse
>>> can it be?
>>>
>>> Chet
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>