Vista - Ubuntu

notachance wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> All you need to do is set the BIOS so that your CDROM boots first,
>> slip in the Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu will push Windows aside and create
>> it's own space.
>>
>> Easy as pie.
>>
>> Once you have it installed and updated, open Firefox and you will see
>> links for help and support.
>>
>> When you boot again, you will get a choice to boot into Windows or
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> WOW!
> Is it really that easy? Suppose I have problems with Ubuntu -- is the
> process reversible, or at least can Ubuntu be removed without lasting
> damage to Vista?
>
> This looks worth trying...

Not sure how to remove Ubuntu afterwards, sorry, although there is a way
that I think involves removing grub and then updating Windows MBR. That
would be a good question for alt.os.linux.ubuntu where you will find
people who are more informed than me.

Alias

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:45:27 -0500, Ed wrote:

> Has anyone installed Ubuntu 7.04 as a dual boot system with Vista Premium?
> On a ACER laptop, I'm impressed with this release, as a Live CD it
> recognized both my external wireless mouse and the wireless internet router.
> I know previous Ubuntu releases had laptop problems with wireless. I also
> like the new look of Ubuntu and will consider setting it up dual boot on one
> of my XP computers. Just go to Ubuntu website, they'll send you a free CD.

I've not actually done it myself, but a recent article in Linux Pro
magazine indicates that it works just like xp in that regard.

Be careful - I have read it is better to use Vista to set up the partition
for Ubuntu - but I don't have a clear answer yet (hence me waiting for
clarity and using VBox instead).

"Alias" <alsofound@masked&anonymous.eu> wrote in message
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> notachance wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> All you need to do is set the BIOS so that your CDROM boots first, slip
>>> in the Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu will push Windows aside and create it's own
>>> space.
>>>
>>> Easy as pie.
>>>
>>> Once you have it installed and updated, open Firefox and you will see
>>> links for help and support.
>>>
>>> When you boot again, you will get a choice to boot into Windows or
>>> Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> WOW!
>> Is it really that easy? Suppose I have problems with Ubuntu -- is the
>> process reversible, or at least can Ubuntu be removed without lasting
>> damage to Vista?
>>
>> This looks worth trying...
>
> Not sure how to remove Ubuntu afterwards, sorry, although there is a way
> that I think involves removing grub and then updating Windows MBR. That
> would be a good question for alt.os.linux.ubuntu where you will find
> people who are more informed than me.
>
> Alias

"notachance" <nochance@all.to> wrote in message
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> Alias wrote:
>> All you need to do is set the BIOS so that your CDROM boots first, slip
>> in the Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu will push Windows aside and create it's own
>> space.
>>
>> Easy as pie.
>>
>> Once you have it installed and updated, open Firefox and you will see
>> links for help and support.
>>
>> When you boot again, you will get a choice to boot into Windows or
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> WOW!
> Is it really that easy? Suppose I have problems with Ubuntu --
> is the process reversible, or at least can Ubuntu be removed without
> lasting damage to Vista?
>
> This looks worth trying...

Nothing against Alias, but saying "Ubuntu will push Windows aside and make
its own space"
is a bit simplistic. You are given the choice to either let Ubuntu
automatically partition and format your drive, in which case
it will take the whole thing or to do it manually yourself, which is the
choice you should choose.
**First go into Ubuntu running your live CD and type this into the terminal:
sudo fdisk -l (that's the letter L)
And there you can see How Ubuntu names your windows drive, which is
important so you'll recognize it during
the install and not format it by mistake.
**You'll want to set up partitions ahead of time. I would recommend
G-parted. It's free and downloadable off the net.
**In addition to your Ubuntu partition, you'll need a Swap partition of very
small size (1 GB is plenty) to facilitate the double boot with a Linux OS
** You'll need to set these formats and mounts during the install:

windows mount- "/windows"
Ubuntu mount- "/" (right...it's just a slash - that's it)
Swap mount - mounts as 'Swap'

Format the Ubuntu partition as 'Ext3' and be careful Not to format your
Windows partition during the install.
The Swap partition, once set, should take care of itself.

I apologize for posting these lengthy instructions in a Vista forum.

Good Luck, Frank B.

notachance wrote:

> Alias wrote:
>> All you need to do is set the BIOS so that your CDROM boots first, slip
>> in the Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu will push Windows aside and create it's own
>> space.
>>
>> Easy as pie.
>>
>> Once you have it installed and updated, open Firefox and you will see
>> links for help and support.
>>
>> When you boot again, you will get a choice to boot into Windows or
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> WOW!
> Is it really that easy? Suppose I have problems with Ubuntu --
> is the process reversible, or at least can Ubuntu be removed
> without lasting damage to Vista?
>
> This looks worth trying...

Yes it can be.

All you'd essentially need to do is put in your Vista CD and use the repair
option to restore the original master boot record on your drive so that it
boots directly to Vista and bypasses Grub.

Then from inside Vista, you could use whatever your favorite partitioning
software is to resize your Vista partition to full and reclaim the space
used by Ubuntu.

Personally though I prefer doing it the opposite way around. Resize my
Ubuntu partition to eliminate Windows. =)

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ray wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:45:27 -0500, Ed wrote:
>
>> Has anyone installed Ubuntu 7.04 as a dual boot system with Vista Premium?
>> On a ACER laptop, I'm impressed with this release, as a Live CD it
>> recognized both my external wireless mouse and the wireless internet router.
>> I know previous Ubuntu releases had laptop problems with wireless. I also
>> like the new look of Ubuntu and will consider setting it up dual boot on one
>> of my XP computers. Just go to Ubuntu website, they'll send you a free CD.
>
> I've not actually done it myself, but a recent article in Linux Pro
> magazine indicates that it works just like xp in that regard.
>

I assume you're not referring to "free CD" when you wrote "it works just
like xp" :-)

Alias

You can download Vista for a free trial... ;-)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en


"Alias" <alsofound@masked&anonymous.eu> wrote in message
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> ray wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:45:27 -0500, Ed wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone installed Ubuntu 7.04 as a dual boot system with Vista
>>> Premium? On a ACER laptop, I'm impressed with this release, as a Live CD
>>> it recognized both my external wireless mouse and the wireless internet
>>> router. I know previous Ubuntu releases had laptop problems with
>>> wireless. I also like the new look of Ubuntu and will consider setting
>>> it up dual boot on one of my XP computers. Just go to Ubuntu website,
>>> they'll send you a free CD.
>>
>> I've not actually done it myself, but a recent article in Linux Pro
>> magazine indicates that it works just like xp in that regard.
>>
>
> I assume you're not referring to "free CD" when you wrote "it works just
> like xp" :-)
>
> Alias

My preferred method of installing any OS as a dual boot is to first create
some unallocated space then boot from the OS CD/DVD and let it do it's thing
in the unallocated space. Vista has some limited capabilities for shrinking
a partition to create space but the features are quite limited. I use
Acronis Disk Director Suite. There are other programs that work equally
well. Be careful though. Not all of them are Vista compatible. Ubuntu
actually has the ability to create space for itself during the install but I
prefer to have a little more control and do it myself. Here is how I would
install Ubuntu.

1) Backup all the partitions on the hard drive including the Acer restore
partition. I use Acronis True Image for this. The Acer factory restore may
not work after you install Ubuntu. Make sure you have run the Acer program
to create a set of restore disks.
2) Decide how much space you want Ubuntu to have. I gave it 33 GB.
3) Shrink the existing partitions to create this space. You may have play
with this a bit. For example defrag the partitions first. Disable
hibernation and delete the hiberfil.sys file. Depending on how the existing
partitions are setup you may be able to take a little from each partition or
only shrink one partition. Once you have the free space you can re-enable
hibernation.
4) Insert the Ubuntu CD, boot from it, and install Ubuntu to the unallocated
space.
5) That's it. You will have a dual boot setup with Ubuntu and Vista. I
edited the grub (Ubuntu's boot manager) menu to set Vista as the default OS.

Make sure you have backups before attempting any of this. Thanks for
registering at my site.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Ed" <ebailey@mts.net> wrote in message
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> Thank you for the courteous reply, I've registered at your vista site. My
> major complaint with Vista is Messenger, video works, no sound or audio,
> along with 100's of others, nothing ACER or on the newsgroups works. I've
> tried about every version of Linux there is, well to me it seems like
> every version, everyone except Ubuntu has given me real headaches. I'll
> have to work out details of creating a partition for it on the laptop, any
> recommendations on doing that? I've a 160 gig set as C: & D:, using D: for
> data.
> Nice to see a fellow Canadian so involved in helping others.
> Take care.
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:83C6CA85-94A1-4881-9075-434F6CE534A0@microsoft.com...
>>I have it set up as a dual boot with Vista Business on an Acer laptop as
>>well. The wireless took about half a day of tweaking to get to work. That
>>was easier than most versions of Linux. It is the first version of Ubuntu
>>that I may leave on my computer. I'm more of a Fedora fan normally.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> "Ed" <ebailey@mts.net> wrote in message
>> news:F4E74B10-FC9C-4921-B5C4-BD9AAEB37FB8@microsoft.com...
>>> Has anyone installed Ubuntu 7.04 as a dual boot system with Vista
>>> Premium? On a ACER laptop, I'm impressed with this release, as a Live CD
>>> it recognized both my external wireless mouse and the wireless internet
>>> router. I know previous Ubuntu releases had laptop problems with
>>> wireless. I also like the new look of Ubuntu and will consider setting
>>> it up dual boot on one of my XP computers. Just go to Ubuntu website,
>>> they'll send you a free CD.
>>>
>>
>

Of course it reversible. You restore from the disk image you took before
installing Ubuntu :-)

You can also go into the disk management console in Vista and delete the
Ubuntu partition(s). You will then have to boot from a Vista DVD and run the
Startup Repair a couple of times to remove the grub bootloader. You can then
create a new partition in the space Ubuntu took or use a utility to expand
an existing partition into it.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"notachance" <nochance@all.to> wrote in message
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> Alias wrote:
>> All you need to do is set the BIOS so that your CDROM boots first, slip
>> in the Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu will push Windows aside and create it's own
>> space.
>>
>> Easy as pie.
>>
>> Once you have it installed and updated, open Firefox and you will see
>> links for help and support.
>>
>> When you boot again, you will get a choice to boot into Windows or
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> WOW!
> Is it really that easy? Suppose I have problems with Ubuntu --
> is the process reversible, or at least can Ubuntu be removed without
> lasting damage to Vista?
>
> This looks worth trying...

Alias wrote:
> notachance wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> All you need to do is set the BIOS so that your CDROM boots first,
>>> slip in the Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu will push Windows aside and create
>>> it's own space.
>>>
>>> Easy as pie.
>>>
>>> Once you have it installed and updated, open Firefox and you will see
>>> links for help and support.
>>>
>>> When you boot again, you will get a choice to boot into Windows or
>>> Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> WOW!
>> Is it really that easy? Suppose I have problems with Ubuntu -- is the
>> process reversible, or at least can Ubuntu be removed without lasting
>> damage to Vista?
>>
>> This looks worth trying...
>
> Not sure how to remove Ubuntu afterwards, sorry, although there is a way
> that I think involves removing grub and then updating Windows MBR. That
> would be a good question for alt.os.linux.ubuntu where you will find
> people who are more informed than me.
>
> Alias

Repair install windows to restore your previous setup, then use the
windows disk manager to format/repartition/remove the old Ubuntu
partition. It really is very easy.


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