Vista Tutorial - >31 GB disk space missing eating up all the HD w/ restore OFF

There are many posts about missing disk space in Vista.
Even after completely disabling System Restore I still have almost 1/2 my HD
space missing. Following are the totals used for all directory trees, the
grand total used, and the total chkdsk reports used. dir/a/s was used for a
directories and dir/a for c:\ so the hibernation file and pagefile, etc. are
included in the visible disk space used.
Where are the 31+ Gigs of space and how can I get it back?

6 File(s) 4,589,640,338 bytes root
2 File(s) 258 bytes $Recycle.Bin
36 File(s) 17,374,572 bytes Boot
1239 File(s) 4,530,583,455 bytes Downloads
96 File(s) 45,240,932 bytes Drivers
4 File(s) 48,658 bytes Garmin
1 File(s) 135,680 bytes Intel
109 File(s) 304,378,382 bytes MSOCache
34078 File(s) 1,261,099,022 bytes OnOffLin
39 File(s) 12,828,308 bytes perflogs
0 File(s) 0 bytes preboot
1202 File(s) 364,731,149 bytes Program Files
13261 File(s) 2,394,878,728 bytes Program Files (x86)
710 File(s) 177,276,910 bytes ProgramData
0 File(s) 0 bytes RRbackups
23 File(s) 8,995,053 bytes SanDisk 16Meg Card
41 File(s) 10,976,913 bytes SanDisk 1Gig Card
455 File(s) 993,513,565 bytes SanDisk 2Gig Card
17 File(s) 36,560,057 bytes SWSHARE
2 File(s) 184,320 bytes SystemUpdate
65249 File(s) 2,489,944,173 bytes Thinkpad T60p
0 File(s) 0 bytes tvtos
27297 File(s) 18,684,383,139 bytes Users
53516 File(s) 11,865,053,121 bytes Windows
______________
47,787,826,733 Total visible used

ChkDsk Sizes ChkDsk Output
94,763,417,600 92542400 KB total disk space.
79,193,509,888 77337412 KB in 189067 files.
70,610,944 68956 KB in 18530 indexes.
0 0 KB in bad sectors.
320,126,976 312624 KB in use by the system.
67,108,864 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
15,179,169,792 14823408 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
23135600 total allocation units on disk.
3705852 allocation units available on disk.

Missing Disk Space
79,193,509,888 (chkdsk used)
- 47,787,826,733 (total visible used)
------------------
31,405,683,155 (missing disk space)
So the questions again are:
1. What is taking my 31+ gig of disk space?
2. How can I get it back?

Thank You,
-Bryan Andrews
314-414-3235 bryan.s.a@gmail.com

Bryan

A large part will be the System Volume Information Folder -System
Restore and Shadow Copies -up to 15% of the drive capacity. Other
programmes can also hide files.


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Bryan" <Bryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2BE7052C-E189-4096-A1A7-D5B67E9742AE@microsoft.com...
> There are many posts about missing disk space in Vista.
> Even after completely disabling System Restore I still have almost 1/2
> my HD
> space missing. Following are the totals used for all directory trees,
> the
> grand total used, and the total chkdsk reports used. dir/a/s was used
> for a
> directories and dir/a for c:\ so the hibernation file and pagefile,
> etc. are
> included in the visible disk space used.
> Where are the 31+ Gigs of space and how can I get it back?
>
> 6 File(s) 4,589,640,338 bytes root
> 2 File(s) 258 bytes $Recycle.Bin
> 36 File(s) 17,374,572 bytes Boot
> 1239 File(s) 4,530,583,455 bytes Downloads
> 96 File(s) 45,240,932 bytes Drivers
> 4 File(s) 48,658 bytes Garmin
> 1 File(s) 135,680 bytes Intel
> 109 File(s) 304,378,382 bytes MSOCache
> 34078 File(s) 1,261,099,022 bytes OnOffLin
> 39 File(s) 12,828,308 bytes perflogs
> 0 File(s) 0 bytes preboot
> 1202 File(s) 364,731,149 bytes Program Files
> 13261 File(s) 2,394,878,728 bytes Program Files (x86)
> 710 File(s) 177,276,910 bytes ProgramData
> 0 File(s) 0 bytes RRbackups
> 23 File(s) 8,995,053 bytes SanDisk 16Meg Card
> 41 File(s) 10,976,913 bytes SanDisk 1Gig Card
> 455 File(s) 993,513,565 bytes SanDisk 2Gig Card
> 17 File(s) 36,560,057 bytes SWSHARE
> 2 File(s) 184,320 bytes SystemUpdate
> 65249 File(s) 2,489,944,173 bytes Thinkpad T60p
> 0 File(s) 0 bytes tvtos
> 27297 File(s) 18,684,383,139 bytes Users
> 53516 File(s) 11,865,053,121 bytes Windows
> ______________
> 47,787,826,733 Total visible used
>
> ChkDsk Sizes ChkDsk Output
> 94,763,417,600 92542400 KB total disk space.
> 79,193,509,888 77337412 KB in 189067 files.
> 70,610,944 68956 KB in 18530 indexes.
> 0 0 KB in bad sectors.
> 320,126,976 312624 KB in use by the system.
> 67,108,864 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
> 15,179,169,792 14823408 KB available on disk.
>
> 4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
> 23135600 total allocation units on disk.
> 3705852 allocation units available on disk.
>
> Missing Disk Space
> 79,193,509,888 (chkdsk used)
> - 47,787,826,733 (total visible used)
> ------------------
> 31,405,683,155 (missing disk space)
> So the questions again are:
> 1. What is taking my 31+ gig of disk space?
> 2. How can I get it back?
>
> Thank You,
> -Bryan Andrews
> 314-414-3235 bryan.s.a@gmail.com

I disabled all System Restore and Shadow Copies and so the System Volume
Information folder only has 20,616 bytes in the folder tree. I didn't
include that in my previous listing because it was protected and didn't show
up until I changed the permissions. I do thank you for your post because it
got me to looking at the other "0" byte directories - preboot, RRBackup, and
tvtos. Unfortunately for those directories it won't let me have access to
change security unless I change the ownership which i'm hesitent to do for
fear of breaking something (I have disabled all system restore).
I am wondering though if the problem isn't RRBackup. It's very name makes
me think it may be something Lenovo uses for their backup storage. Now that
Vista does this there isn't any need for theirs and I think I do remember it
running out of space so maybe it didn't clean up properly...

Thank You,
-Bryan
"Gerry" wrote:

> Bryan
>
> A large part will be the System Volume Information Folder -System
> Restore and Shadow Copies -up to 15% of the drive capacity. Other
> programmes can also hide files.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Bryan" <Bryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2BE7052C-E189-4096-A1A7-D5B67E9742AE@microsoft.com...
> > There are many posts about missing disk space in Vista.
> > Even after completely disabling System Restore I still have almost 1/2
> > my HD
> > space missing. Following are the totals used for all directory trees,
> > the
> > grand total used, and the total chkdsk reports used. dir/a/s was used
> > for a
> > directories and dir/a for c:\ so the hibernation file and pagefile,
> > etc. are
> > included in the visible disk space used.
> > Where are the 31+ Gigs of space and how can I get it back?
> >
> > 6 File(s) 4,589,640,338 bytes root
> > 2 File(s) 258 bytes $Recycle.Bin
> > 36 File(s) 17,374,572 bytes Boot
> > 1239 File(s) 4,530,583,455 bytes Downloads
> > 96 File(s) 45,240,932 bytes Drivers
> > 4 File(s) 48,658 bytes Garmin
> > 1 File(s) 135,680 bytes Intel
> > 109 File(s) 304,378,382 bytes MSOCache
> > 34078 File(s) 1,261,099,022 bytes OnOffLin
> > 39 File(s) 12,828,308 bytes perflogs
> > 0 File(s) 0 bytes preboot
> > 1202 File(s) 364,731,149 bytes Program Files
> > 13261 File(s) 2,394,878,728 bytes Program Files (x86)
> > 710 File(s) 177,276,910 bytes ProgramData
> > 0 File(s) 0 bytes RRbackups
> > 23 File(s) 8,995,053 bytes SanDisk 16Meg Card
> > 41 File(s) 10,976,913 bytes SanDisk 1Gig Card
> > 455 File(s) 993,513,565 bytes SanDisk 2Gig Card
> > 17 File(s) 36,560,057 bytes SWSHARE
> > 2 File(s) 184,320 bytes SystemUpdate
> > 65249 File(s) 2,489,944,173 bytes Thinkpad T60p
> > 0 File(s) 0 bytes tvtos
> > 27297 File(s) 18,684,383,139 bytes Users
> > 53516 File(s) 11,865,053,121 bytes Windows
> > ______________
> > 47,787,826,733 Total visible used
> >
> > ChkDsk Sizes ChkDsk Output
> > 94,763,417,600 92542400 KB total disk space.
> > 79,193,509,888 77337412 KB in 189067 files.
> > 70,610,944 68956 KB in 18530 indexes.
> > 0 0 KB in bad sectors.
> > 320,126,976 312624 KB in use by the system.
> > 67,108,864 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
> > 15,179,169,792 14823408 KB available on disk.
> >
> > 4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
> > 23135600 total allocation units on disk.
> > 3705852 allocation units available on disk.
> >
> > Missing Disk Space
> > 79,193,509,888 (chkdsk used)
> > - 47,787,826,733 (total visible used)
> > ------------------
> > 31,405,683,155 (missing disk space)
> > So the questions again are:
> > 1. What is taking my 31+ gig of disk space?
> > 2. How can I get it back?
> >
> > Thank You,
> > -Bryan Andrews
> > 314-414-3235 bryan.s.a@gmail.com
>
>
>

I found it !!!!

It was Lenovo's Restore and Recovery Backup.

Thanks Gerry as your post got me thinking in the right direction.
-Bryan

"Bryan" wrote:

> I disabled all System Restore and Shadow Copies and so the System Volume
> Information folder only has 20,616 bytes in the folder tree. I didn't
> include that in my previous listing because it was protected and didn't show
> up until I changed the permissions. I do thank you for your post because it
> got me to looking at the other "0" byte directories - preboot, RRBackup, and
> tvtos. Unfortunately for those directories it won't let me have access to
> change security unless I change the ownership which i'm hesitent to do for
> fear of breaking something (I have disabled all system restore).
> I am wondering though if the problem isn't RRBackup. It's very name makes
> me think it may be something Lenovo uses for their backup storage. Now that
> Vista does this there isn't any need for theirs and I think I do remember it
> running out of space so maybe it didn't clean up properly...
>
> Thank You,
> -Bryan
> "Gerry" wrote:
>
> > Bryan
> >
> > A large part will be the System Volume Information Folder -System
> > Restore and Shadow Copies -up to 15% of the drive capacity. Other
> > programmes can also hide files.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Gerry
> > ~~~~
> > FCA
> > Stourport, England
> > Enquire, plan and execute
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > "Bryan" <Bryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:2BE7052C-E189-4096-A1A7-D5B67E9742AE@microsoft.com...
> > > There are many posts about missing disk space in Vista.
> > > Even after completely disabling System Restore I still have almost 1/2
> > > my HD
> > > space missing. Following are the totals used for all directory trees,
> > > the
> > > grand total used, and the total chkdsk reports used. dir/a/s was used
> > > for a
> > > directories and dir/a for c:\ so the hibernation file and pagefile,
> > > etc. are
> > > included in the visible disk space used.
> > > Where are the 31+ Gigs of space and how can I get it back?
> > >
> > > 6 File(s) 4,589,640,338 bytes root
> > > 2 File(s) 258 bytes $Recycle.Bin
> > > 36 File(s) 17,374,572 bytes Boot
> > > 1239 File(s) 4,530,583,455 bytes Downloads
> > > 96 File(s) 45,240,932 bytes Drivers
> > > 4 File(s) 48,658 bytes Garmin
> > > 1 File(s) 135,680 bytes Intel
> > > 109 File(s) 304,378,382 bytes MSOCache
> > > 34078 File(s) 1,261,099,022 bytes OnOffLin
> > > 39 File(s) 12,828,308 bytes perflogs
> > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes preboot
> > > 1202 File(s) 364,731,149 bytes Program Files
> > > 13261 File(s) 2,394,878,728 bytes Program Files (x86)
> > > 710 File(s) 177,276,910 bytes ProgramData
> > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes RRbackups
> > > 23 File(s) 8,995,053 bytes SanDisk 16Meg Card
> > > 41 File(s) 10,976,913 bytes SanDisk 1Gig Card
> > > 455 File(s) 993,513,565 bytes SanDisk 2Gig Card
> > > 17 File(s) 36,560,057 bytes SWSHARE
> > > 2 File(s) 184,320 bytes SystemUpdate
> > > 65249 File(s) 2,489,944,173 bytes Thinkpad T60p
> > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes tvtos
> > > 27297 File(s) 18,684,383,139 bytes Users
> > > 53516 File(s) 11,865,053,121 bytes Windows
> > > ______________
> > > 47,787,826,733 Total visible used
> > >
> > > ChkDsk Sizes ChkDsk Output
> > > 94,763,417,600 92542400 KB total disk space.
> > > 79,193,509,888 77337412 KB in 189067 files.
> > > 70,610,944 68956 KB in 18530 indexes.
> > > 0 0 KB in bad sectors.
> > > 320,126,976 312624 KB in use by the system.
> > > 67,108,864 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
> > > 15,179,169,792 14823408 KB available on disk.
> > >
> > > 4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
> > > 23135600 total allocation units on disk.
> > > 3705852 allocation units available on disk.
> > >
> > > Missing Disk Space
> > > 79,193,509,888 (chkdsk used)
> > > - 47,787,826,733 (total visible used)
> > > ------------------
> > > 31,405,683,155 (missing disk space)
> > > So the questions again are:
> > > 1. What is taking my 31+ gig of disk space?
> > > 2. How can I get it back?
> > >
> > > Thank You,
> > > -Bryan Andrews
> > > 314-414-3235 bryan.s.a@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >

Glad it's sorted Bryan.


--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Bryan" <Bryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1AA0CAEE-98EE-417C-BC07-A2CE23B4621E@microsoft.com...
>I found it !!!!
>
> It was Lenovo's Restore and Recovery Backup.
>
> Thanks Gerry as your post got me thinking in the right direction.
> -Bryan
>
> "Bryan" wrote:
>
>> I disabled all System Restore and Shadow Copies and so the System
>> Volume
>> Information folder only has 20,616 bytes in the folder tree. I
>> didn't
>> include that in my previous listing because it was protected and
>> didn't show
>> up until I changed the permissions. I do thank you for your post
>> because it
>> got me to looking at the other "0" byte directories - preboot,
>> RRBackup, and
>> tvtos. Unfortunately for those directories it won't let me have
>> access to
>> change security unless I change the ownership which i'm hesitent to
>> do for
>> fear of breaking something (I have disabled all system restore).
>> I am wondering though if the problem isn't RRBackup. It's very name
>> makes
>> me think it may be something Lenovo uses for their backup storage.
>> Now that
>> Vista does this there isn't any need for theirs and I think I do
>> remember it
>> running out of space so maybe it didn't clean up properly...
>>
>> Thank You,
>> -Bryan
>> "Gerry" wrote:
>>
>> > Bryan
>> >
>> > A large part will be the System Volume Information Folder -System
>> > Restore and Shadow Copies -up to 15% of the drive capacity. Other
>> > programmes can also hide files.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope this helps.
>> >
>> > Gerry
>> > ~~~~
>> > FCA
>> > Stourport, England
>> > Enquire, plan and execute
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > "Bryan" <Bryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:2BE7052C-E189-4096-A1A7-D5B67E9742AE@microsoft.com...
>> > > There are many posts about missing disk space in Vista.
>> > > Even after completely disabling System Restore I still have
>> > > almost 1/2
>> > > my HD
>> > > space missing. Following are the totals used for all directory
>> > > trees,
>> > > the
>> > > grand total used, and the total chkdsk reports used. dir/a/s was
>> > > used
>> > > for a
>> > > directories and dir/a for c:\ so the hibernation file and
>> > > pagefile,
>> > > etc. are
>> > > included in the visible disk space used.
>> > > Where are the 31+ Gigs of space and how can I get it back?
>> > >
>> > > 6 File(s) 4,589,640,338 bytes root
>> > > 2 File(s) 258 bytes $Recycle.Bin
>> > > 36 File(s) 17,374,572 bytes Boot
>> > > 1239 File(s) 4,530,583,455 bytes Downloads
>> > > 96 File(s) 45,240,932 bytes Drivers
>> > > 4 File(s) 48,658 bytes Garmin
>> > > 1 File(s) 135,680 bytes Intel
>> > > 109 File(s) 304,378,382 bytes MSOCache
>> > > 34078 File(s) 1,261,099,022 bytes OnOffLin
>> > > 39 File(s) 12,828,308 bytes perflogs
>> > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes preboot
>> > > 1202 File(s) 364,731,149 bytes Program Files
>> > > 13261 File(s) 2,394,878,728 bytes Program Files (x86)
>> > > 710 File(s) 177,276,910 bytes ProgramData
>> > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes RRbackups
>> > > 23 File(s) 8,995,053 bytes SanDisk 16Meg Card
>> > > 41 File(s) 10,976,913 bytes SanDisk 1Gig Card
>> > > 455 File(s) 993,513,565 bytes SanDisk 2Gig Card
>> > > 17 File(s) 36,560,057 bytes SWSHARE
>> > > 2 File(s) 184,320 bytes SystemUpdate
>> > > 65249 File(s) 2,489,944,173 bytes Thinkpad T60p
>> > > 0 File(s) 0 bytes tvtos
>> > > 27297 File(s) 18,684,383,139 bytes Users
>> > > 53516 File(s) 11,865,053,121 bytes Windows
>> > > ______________
>> > > 47,787,826,733 Total visible used
>> > >
>> > > ChkDsk Sizes ChkDsk Output
>> > > 94,763,417,600 92542400 KB total disk space.
>> > > 79,193,509,888 77337412 KB in 189067 files.
>> > > 70,610,944 68956 KB in 18530 indexes.
>> > > 0 0 KB in bad sectors.
>> > > 320,126,976 312624 KB in use by the system.
>> > > 67,108,864 65536 KB occupied by the log file.
>> > > 15,179,169,792 14823408 KB available on disk.
>> > >
>> > > 4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
>> > > 23135600 total allocation units on disk.
>> > > 3705852 allocation units available on disk.
>> > >
>> > > Missing Disk Space
>> > > 79,193,509,888 (chkdsk used)
>> > > - 47,787,826,733 (total visible used)
>> > > ------------------
>> > > 31,405,683,155 (missing disk space)
>> > > So the questions again are:
>> > > 1. What is taking my 31+ gig of disk space?
>> > > 2. How can I get it back?
>> > >
>> > > Thank You,
>> > > -Bryan Andrews
>> > > 314-414-3235 bryan.s.a@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >

Hi Bryan and Gerry,

Your discussion is useful to me. I too noice ~26GB missing in my C
driveusing windows Vista. How to see which file/folder this is
occupied?

Thanks in advance.
Raju


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"sriraju" <sriraju.3ilmvd@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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First of all, please clarify what the numbers are. How big is the drive
supposed to be, and what number or numbers are you seeing for it?