Vista - What is the problem with Vista and external USB hard drives?

wow! you are such a liar. i read some of your posts, and noticed you
replied to those who did not use capitalization, punctuation, etc. but i
have come to the realization that some of you fake ass MVPs only respond to
those who don't have gripes with MICRO****. those of us who do, you try to
attack us. put it to a test and i guarantee you i will outdo you any day on
your teaching test. get over it. this is too crazy ... even for me! and
don't say another word to me.




"Richard Urban" wrote:

> Ignored this one also. You are limiting yourself to the answers you will
> receive about your questions. Sorry.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>
>
> "queen" <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:36E16918-64D6-4EC7-8159-FEB9D65F962B@microsoft.com...
> > this is the way i type when i am online, not typing a letter, legal
> > document,
> > etc. i type every day for a living; therefore, i get tired of typing.
> > not
> > trying to impress you or anyone else. if you don't like it, don't read or
> > respond to my post. as far as what i was taught in the 5th grade, you
> > have
> > no clue. however, your reply proves that you are extremely juvenile --
> > perhaps still living in the 5th grade?! p.s. my punctuation skills are
> > far
> > superior than you can even imagine. sorry i don't know about punctuation
> > from the dinosaur age!
> >
> > to ryan, i've upgraded the WD drivers. yet today, Vista is refusing to
> > recognize the drive at all. as i stated before, it will recognize it
> > sometimes and install the drivers, then at other times it simply refuses
> > to
> > recognize it. unfortunately, i have not been able to see it under disk
> > management so there is no way i can try to use the disk wizard to try to
> > install it.
> >
> > any other suggestions? and, thanx for your reply.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> Please! Take pity on those with older eyes or those who may have other
> >> vision problems.
> >>
> >> Use paragraphs, punctuation and Capitalization at the beginning of
> >> sentences. You were taught this in fifth grade. My old eyes can not read
> >> what you have posted - therefore I glossed over your post.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "queen" <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:EE36B0C4-36A4-4C05-A058-95FA25AB954C@microsoft.com...
> >> >i have an external USB hard drive (IDE 80gb western digital) that Vista
> >> > Business 32-bit seems to have a problem with. sometimes it says the
> >> > device
> >> > drivers have been installed and the device is ready for use. then at
> >> > other
> >> > times, i get a message that says "one of the USB devices attached to
> >> > this
> >> > computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it." then
> >> > it
> >> > is
> >> > listed as an "unknown device" in device manager. however, i have never
> >> > been
> >> > able to see it at all under disk management. i have been trying to get
> >> > Vista
> >> > to recognize this drive for (you know ....... i'm so angry, i'd rather
> >> > not
> >> > say!). this drive has already been formatted NTFS, as i used it for 2
> >> > years
> >> > with an older pc that has Windows XP on it. never had an issue with
> >> > the
> >> > drive and XP. i don't want to use it to boot Vista (i have a SATA
> >> > 320gb
> >> > western digital hard drive i boot Vista from). i want to use this
> >> > smaller
> >> > one as a storage device. i have about 20gb of information on this
> >> > drive
> >> > that
> >> > i would like to access. i have upgraded all drivers (MOBO as well) so
> >> > i
> >> > don't know why i am continuing to have this problem. and the biggest
> >> > headache of all is the fact that all my other USB devices are working
> >> > properly and i have never had a problem with them, including my
> >> > printer.
> >> > and
> >> > NO, it is not a power issue so please don't suggest it just to provide
> >> > an
> >> > answer. i'm extremely aggravated and agitated that no one has a
> >> > solution
> >> > to
> >> > this issue, which should not be such a big issue to begin with.
> >> > Microsoft
> >> > knows of this and just refuses to address it, and i'm not surprised. i
> >> > come
> >> > here and find answers for this issue for Windows XP in the Windows
> >> > Vista
> >> > community. go figure! i have been around the world and i ...........
> >> > i
> >> > can't find my answer. plain and simple, i know some of you don't want
> >> > to
> >> > hear this nor do you have to agree, but Vista is one crazy OS. some
> >> > times
> >> > it
> >> > feels like a nut, and some times it don't!
> >>
> >>
>
>

Jim:

that's one of the first things that i did. the USB plug is working fine as
i tried it on other devices. the USB hubs all work with those other devices.
the hard drive works when using my old XP system without any problems. you
do know, i am sure, that there are many (and i do mean "many") people who
have the exact same problem that i am having? truth is, i just may need to
wait until microsoft issues a 750mb service pack (i'm exaggerating here) to
fix a lot of these problems.

i'm still having problems with screen freezes and the infamous blue screen
from hell. ugh! i'm going to have to go with OS issues. i've done too much
to rectify these problems. that's my take on this.





"JimR" wrote:

> "queen" <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EE36B0C4-36A4-4C05-A058-95FA25AB954C@microsoft.com...
> >i have an external USB hard drive (IDE 80gb western digital) that Vista
> > Business 32-bit seems to have a problem with. sometimes it says the
> > device
> > drivers have been installed and the device is ready for use. then at
> > other
> > times, i get a message that says "one of the USB devices attached to this
> > computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it." then it
> > is
> > listed as an "unknown device" in device manager. however, i have never
> > been
> > able to see it at all under disk management. i have been trying to get
> > Vista
> > to recognize this drive for (you know ....... i'm so angry, i'd rather not
> > say!). this drive has already been formatted NTFS, as i used it for 2
> > years
> > with an older pc that has Windows XP on it. never had an issue with the
> > drive and XP. i don't want to use it to boot Vista (i have a SATA 320gb
> > western digital hard drive i boot Vista from). i want to use this smaller
> > one as a storage device. i have about 20gb of information on this drive
> > that
> > i would like to access. i have upgraded all drivers (MOBO as well) so i
> > don't know why i am continuing to have this problem. and the biggest
> > headache of all is the fact that all my other USB devices are working
> > properly and i have never had a problem with them, including my printer.
> > and
> > NO, it is not a power issue so please don't suggest it just to provide an
> > answer. i'm extremely aggravated and agitated that no one has a solution
> > to
> > this issue, which should not be such a big issue to begin with. Microsoft
> > knows of this and just refuses to address it, and i'm not surprised. i
> > come
> > here and find answers for this issue for Windows XP in the Windows Vista
> > community. go figure! i have been around the world and i ........... i
> > can't find my answer. plain and simple, i know some of you don't want to
> > hear this nor do you have to agree, but Vista is one crazy OS. some times
> > it
> > feels like a nut, and some times it don't!
>
> I have two WD80GB usb drives that I use for backups on six computers, three
> of which are Vista. I have never had issues except when using a non-powered
> usb hub or on certain computers using a satellite port on the front of a
> computer. I have also never needed any drivers other than what was natively
> available from the operating system. Since you state that power is not an
> issue and all of your other usb devices work, you might look for a hardware
> issue such as a bad usb plug or cable or even the possibility that the drive
> is in early stages of failure.
>
> --
> Jim
>

GET OVER IT!

P.S. DAMN YOUR RULES.



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:05:04 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Please! Take pity on those with older eyes or those who may have other
> > vision problems.
> >
> > Use paragraphs, punctuation and Capitalization at the beginning of
> > sentences. You were taught this in fifth grade. My old eyes can not read
> > what you have posted -
>
>
> As far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with old age or vision
> problems. A message like that below is hard to read for everyone.
> That's the reason we have rules for paragraphs, punctuation, and
> capitalization.
>
>
> > therefore I glossed over your post.
>
>
> You did better than I did. I ignored it completely.
>
>
>
> > "queen" <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:EE36B0C4-36A4-4C05-A058-95FA25AB954C@microsoft.com...
> > >i have an external USB hard drive (IDE 80gb western digital) that Vista
> > > Business 32-bit seems to have a problem with. sometimes it says the
> > > device
> > > drivers have been installed and the device is ready for use. then at
> > > other
> > > times, i get a message that says "one of the USB devices attached to this
> > > computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it." then it
> > > is
> > > listed as an "unknown device" in device manager. however, i have never
> > > been
> > > able to see it at all under disk management. i have been trying to get
> > > Vista
> > > to recognize this drive for (you know ....... i'm so angry, i'd rather not
> > > say!). this drive has already been formatted NTFS, as i used it for 2
> > > years
> > > with an older pc that has Windows XP on it. never had an issue with the
> > > drive and XP. i don't want to use it to boot Vista (i have a SATA 320gb
> > > western digital hard drive i boot Vista from). i want to use this smaller
> > > one as a storage device. i have about 20gb of information on this drive
> > > that
> > > i would like to access. i have upgraded all drivers (MOBO as well) so i
> > > don't know why i am continuing to have this problem. and the biggest
> > > headache of all is the fact that all my other USB devices are working
> > > properly and i have never had a problem with them, including my printer.
> > > and
> > > NO, it is not a power issue so please don't suggest it just to provide an
> > > answer. i'm extremely aggravated and agitated that no one has a solution
> > > to
> > > this issue, which should not be such a big issue to begin with. Microsoft
> > > knows of this and just refuses to address it, and i'm not surprised. i
> > > come
> > > here and find answers for this issue for Windows XP in the Windows Vista
> > > community. go figure! i have been around the world and i ........... i
> > > can't find my answer. plain and simple, i know some of you don't want to
> > > hear this nor do you have to agree, but Vista is one crazy OS. some times
> > > it
> > > feels like a nut, and some times it don't!
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:56:01 -0700, queen
<queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> if you need perfection to reply to a post, clearly microsoft made a mistake
> in making you an MVP. please don't get me started!


I don't need perfection. I certainly don't type perfectly either. But
I try to do my best.

When you are asking people for help, it would be wise for you to make
it as easy for people to help you as possible. If you aren't willing
to take the extra trouble to do that, don't be surprised when they
aren't willing to take the extra trouble to help you.



> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:05:04 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> > <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Please! Take pity on those with older eyes or those who may have other
> > > vision problems.
> > >
> > > Use paragraphs, punctuation and Capitalization at the beginning of
> > > sentences. You were taught this in fifth grade. My old eyes can not read
> > > what you have posted -
> >
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with old age or vision
> > problems. A message like that below is hard to read for everyone.
> > That's the reason we have rules for paragraphs, punctuation, and
> > capitalization.
> >
> >
> > > therefore I glossed over your post.
> >
> >
> > You did better than I did. I ignored it completely.
> >
> >
> >
> > > "queen" <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:EE36B0C4-36A4-4C05-A058-95FA25AB954C@microsoft.com...
> > > >i have an external USB hard drive (IDE 80gb western digital) that Vista
> > > > Business 32-bit seems to have a problem with. sometimes it says the
> > > > device
> > > > drivers have been installed and the device is ready for use. then at
> > > > other
> > > > times, i get a message that says "one of the USB devices attached to this
> > > > computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it." then it
> > > > is
> > > > listed as an "unknown device" in device manager. however, i have never
> > > > been
> > > > able to see it at all under disk management. i have been trying to get
> > > > Vista
> > > > to recognize this drive for (you know ....... i'm so angry, i'd rather not
> > > > say!). this drive has already been formatted NTFS, as i used it for 2
> > > > years
> > > > with an older pc that has Windows XP on it. never had an issue with the
> > > > drive and XP. i don't want to use it to boot Vista (i have a SATA 320gb
> > > > western digital hard drive i boot Vista from). i want to use this smaller
> > > > one as a storage device. i have about 20gb of information on this drive
> > > > that
> > > > i would like to access. i have upgraded all drivers (MOBO as well) so i
> > > > don't know why i am continuing to have this problem. and the biggest
> > > > headache of all is the fact that all my other USB devices are working
> > > > properly and i have never had a problem with them, including my printer.
> > > > and
> > > > NO, it is not a power issue so please don't suggest it just to provide an
> > > > answer. i'm extremely aggravated and agitated that no one has a solution
> > > > to
> > > > this issue, which should not be such a big issue to begin with. Microsoft
> > > > knows of this and just refuses to address it, and i'm not surprised. i
> > > > come
> > > > here and find answers for this issue for Windows XP in the Windows Vista
> > > > community. go figure! i have been around the world and i ........... i
> > > > can't find my answer. plain and simple, i know some of you don't want to
> > > > hear this nor do you have to agree, but Vista is one crazy OS. some times
> > > > it
> > > > feels like a nut, and some times it don't!
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

if you are MVPs, why would you be taking the "extra trouble" to answer a
question that HAS punctuation, but no capitalization? makes no sense and you
know it. my post may not have been broken down in paragraphs, but it made
sense. just admit it. i'm sure that if i had sang "praises" to Vista, your
responses would have been significantly different. i read, speak and type
clear english. you don't need to use a capital letter to understand that!

as you are reading this, i'm sure you have figured out that i am not
changing the way i type for you or anybody else. i have been coming on this
forum for many years and have not had a problems with me not using
capitalization just to find an answer to problems with microsoft software.
bottom line, you don't have an answer. admit it and quit it! let's can all
discussions right now (you and i).

have an awesome day!



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:56:01 -0700, queen
> <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > if you need perfection to reply to a post, clearly microsoft made a mistake
> > in making you an MVP. please don't get me started!
>
>
> I don't need perfection. I certainly don't type perfectly either. But
> I try to do my best.
>
> When you are asking people for help, it would be wise for you to make
> it as easy for people to help you as possible. If you aren't willing
> to take the extra trouble to do that, don't be surprised when they
> aren't willing to take the extra trouble to help you.
>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:44:00 -0700, queen
<queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> GET OVER IT!
>
> P.S. DAMN YOUR RULES.


LOL! I have no rules. It's your prerogative to post any way you like.
And it's mine to answer whatever questions I like.

There's nothing for me to get over. I have a limited amount of time to
spend on newsgroups, and I can't answer every question posted. If I
have trouble reading a message, and it takes extra time for me to try,
it quickly gets skipped and I go on to the next one.

The only point here is that *you* are the person looking for help. You
seem to have my posts in this thread as an attack on you, but they
were actually meant to help you get the help you look for. If you post
in a manner that makes it easy for people to help you, you enlarge the
group of potential helpers. If you don't, you diminish their number.
It's entirely your choice. I don't care at all.


> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:05:04 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> > <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Please! Take pity on those with older eyes or those who may have other
> > > vision problems.
> > >
> > > Use paragraphs, punctuation and Capitalization at the beginning of
> > > sentences. You were taught this in fifth grade. My old eyes can not read
> > > what you have posted -
> >
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with old age or vision
> > problems. A message like that below is hard to read for everyone.
> > That's the reason we have rules for paragraphs, punctuation, and
> > capitalization.
> >
> >
> > > therefore I glossed over your post.
> >
> >
> > You did better than I did. I ignored it completely.
> >
> >
> >
> > > "queen" <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:EE36B0C4-36A4-4C05-A058-95FA25AB954C@microsoft.com...
> > > >i have an external USB hard drive (IDE 80gb western digital) that Vista
> > > > Business 32-bit seems to have a problem with. sometimes it says the
> > > > device
> > > > drivers have been installed and the device is ready for use. then at
> > > > other
> > > > times, i get a message that says "one of the USB devices attached to this
> > > > computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it." then it
> > > > is
> > > > listed as an "unknown device" in device manager. however, i have never
> > > > been
> > > > able to see it at all under disk management. i have been trying to get
> > > > Vista
> > > > to recognize this drive for (you know ....... i'm so angry, i'd rather not
> > > > say!). this drive has already been formatted NTFS, as i used it for 2
> > > > years
> > > > with an older pc that has Windows XP on it. never had an issue with the
> > > > drive and XP. i don't want to use it to boot Vista (i have a SATA 320gb
> > > > western digital hard drive i boot Vista from). i want to use this smaller
> > > > one as a storage device. i have about 20gb of information on this drive
> > > > that
> > > > i would like to access. i have upgraded all drivers (MOBO as well) so i
> > > > don't know why i am continuing to have this problem. and the biggest
> > > > headache of all is the fact that all my other USB devices are working
> > > > properly and i have never had a problem with them, including my printer.
> > > > and
> > > > NO, it is not a power issue so please don't suggest it just to provide an
> > > > answer. i'm extremely aggravated and agitated that no one has a solution
> > > > to
> > > > this issue, which should not be such a big issue to begin with. Microsoft
> > > > knows of this and just refuses to address it, and i'm not surprised. i
> > > > come
> > > > here and find answers for this issue for Windows XP in the Windows Vista
> > > > community. go figure! i have been around the world and i ........... i
> > > > can't find my answer. plain and simple, i know some of you don't want to
> > > > hear this nor do you have to agree, but Vista is one crazy OS. some times
> > > > it
> > > > feels like a nut, and some times it don't!
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

this is comical.

you just said "I have a limited amount of time to spend on newsgroups, and I
can't answer every question posted. If I have trouble reading a message, and
it takes extra time for me to try, it quickly gets skipped and I go on to the
next one."

come again?

you said something rude to me to start with. not to mention you have replied
to me more than once. yet, you have a limited amount of time to spend on
newsgroups. now ask yourself, "does that make sense?" hypocrite! learn
some manners. some of you jackasses need a reality check. your stank
attitudes just proves how big headed you are -- heads so big that not even
you and these MVPs can carry it! it's just easier to be rude to a poster if
she doesn't use capitalization. you wouldn't do it to a female relative of
yours, so don't do it to me. and you care, that's why you keep responding.

thanx for tomorrow's laughs when i share my findings on here with the guys
in the IT department!





"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:44:00 -0700, queen
> <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > GET OVER IT!
> >
> > P.S. DAMN YOUR RULES.
>
>
> LOL! I have no rules. It's your prerogative to post any way you like.
> And it's mine to answer whatever questions I like.
>
> There's nothing for me to get over. I have a limited amount of time to
> spend on newsgroups, and I can't answer every question posted. If I
> have trouble reading a message, and it takes extra time for me to try,
> it quickly gets skipped and I go on to the next one.
>
> The only point here is that *you* are the person looking for help. You
> seem to have my posts in this thread as an attack on you, but they
> were actually meant to help you get the help you look for. If you post
> in a manner that makes it easy for people to help you, you enlarge the
> group of potential helpers. If you don't, you diminish their number.
> It's entirely your choice. I don't care at all.
>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:14:02 -0700, queen
<queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> and you care, that's why you keep responding.


Have no fear. I won't respond again. In fact, I won't even see any
more of your messages.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Were you born ignorant or must you practice daily to maintain your status?


"queen" wrote:

> this is the way i type when i am online, not typing a letter, legal document,
> etc. i type every day for a living; therefore, i get tired of typing. not
> trying to impress you or anyone else. if you don't like it, don't read or
> respond to my post. as far as what i was taught in the 5th grade, you have
> no clue. however, your reply proves that you are extremely juvenile --
> perhaps still living in the 5th grade?! p.s. my punctuation skills are far
> superior than you can even imagine. sorry i don't know about punctuation
> from the dinosaur age!
>
> to ryan, i've upgraded the WD drivers. yet today, Vista is refusing to
> recognize the drive at all. as i stated before, it will recognize it
> sometimes and install the drivers, then at other times it simply refuses to
> recognize it. unfortunately, i have not been able to see it under disk
> management so there is no way i can try to use the disk wizard to try to
> install it.
>
> any other suggestions? and, thanx for your reply.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
> > Please! Take pity on those with older eyes or those who may have other
> > vision problems.
> >
> > Use paragraphs, punctuation and Capitalization at the beginning of
> > sentences. You were taught this in fifth grade. My old eyes can not read
> > what you have posted - therefore I glossed over your post.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard Urban
> > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >
> >
> >
> > "queen" <queen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:EE36B0C4-36A4-4C05-A058-95FA25AB954C@microsoft.com...
> > >i have an external USB hard drive (IDE 80gb western digital) that Vista
> > > Business 32-bit seems to have a problem with. sometimes it says the
> > > device
> > > drivers have been installed and the device is ready for use. then at
> > > other
> > > times, i get a message that says "one of the USB devices attached to this
> > > computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it." then it
> > > is
> > > listed as an "unknown device" in device manager. however, i have never
> > > been
> > > able to see it at all under disk management. i have been trying to get
> > > Vista
> > > to recognize this drive for (you know ....... i'm so angry, i'd rather not
> > > say!). this drive has already been formatted NTFS, as i used it for 2
> > > years
> > > with an older pc that has Windows XP on it. never had an issue with the
> > > drive and XP. i don't want to use it to boot Vista (i have a SATA 320gb
> > > western digital hard drive i boot Vista from). i want to use this smaller
> > > one as a storage device. i have about 20gb of information on this drive
> > > that
> > > i would like to access. i have upgraded all drivers (MOBO as well) so i
> > > don't know why i am continuing to have this problem. and the biggest
> > > headache of all is the fact that all my other USB devices are working
> > > properly and i have never had a problem with them, including my printer.
> > > and
> > > NO, it is not a power issue so please don't suggest it just to provide an
> > > answer. i'm extremely aggravated and agitated that no one has a solution
> > > to
> > > this issue, which should not be such a big issue to begin with. Microsoft
> > > knows of this and just refuses to address it, and i'm not surprised. i
> > > come
> > > here and find answers for this issue for Windows XP in the Windows Vista
> > > community. go figure! i have been around the world and i ........... i
> > > can't find my answer. plain and simple, i know some of you don't want to
> > > hear this nor do you have to agree, but Vista is one crazy OS. some times
> > > it
> > > feels like a nut, and some times it don't!
> >
> >

Hang out in a Microsoft hosted newsgroup and take what comes. Get this.
Windows users utilize that which comes with Windows. People are not going to
change for you Linsux lusers.

"Alias" wrote:

> Richard Urban wrote:
> > Please! Take pity on those with older eyes or those who may have other
> > vision problems.
> >
> > Use paragraphs, punctuation and Capitalization at the beginning of
> > sentences. You were taught this in fifth grade. My old eyes can not read
> > what you have posted - therefore I glossed over your post.
> >
>
> Don't top post with a sig delimiter so when people with real news
> readers reply to your posts, it doesn't nuke the OP's post.
>
> Alias
>