Vista - Best Registry Cleaner for vista

Arun wrote:
> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista
> Ultimate.............


Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.


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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:59:20 +0100, Alun Harford
<devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:30 +0100, Alun Harford
>> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Arun wrote:
>>>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista
>>>> Ultimate.............
>>> No. They cause more problems than they solve.
>>> If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you
>>> use a tool.
>>> If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.
>>
>> Telling people to manually edit their Registry isn't very good advice
>> for the average user for obvious reasons; doing so can totally trash
>> your Registry making your computer unbootable. Far safer to use a tool
>> designed for that purpose.
>
>The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.
>Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry
>editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.
>With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,
>finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they
>realise that they didn't know what they were doing.
>
>Alun Harford


You're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't factual. The whole
point behind Registry Cleaners is to avoid deleting something by
mistake. Of course any tool used improperly isn't very smart. What you
avoid saying is Registry Tools while most have some automatic feature
also show you a list of what it is about to remove BEFORE it actually
does, allowing the user to decide what to delete and what not to. Of
course if anybody just haphazardly removes things without knowing why
that is dumb. However suggesting people manually scan tens of
thousands of lines in the Registry looking for "bad" things on their
own is in my opinion equally risky and very time consuming. Stop being
anal.

Pick any 3 Registry Cleaners. Let them all scan for items to potentially
remove. DO NOT let them clean but examine the results and compare
to each other. You'll find that each has it's own definition of what is and
is not an invalid Key/Data. It's this "Subjective" determination that is the
danger with Registry cleaners. No two I've ever tested has created a
matching list of items to remove beyond MRU tables. The other point
to be made is repetitive runs with the same product. Run it once it may
find 200 entries, immediately run it again it may find 40 more. This acts
like pealing an onion, the more you run it the deeper it drills inside the
Registry and likely breaks more associations and interactions. Some of
the breakage of Registry Cleaners may not become apparent for weeks
of months after the tool is applied.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:OvxykGLwHHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> To put it another way...
> A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the
> registry they are unable to see something wrong.
> Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job
> manually but desire a too to speed the job.
>
> Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the registry
> alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Alun Harford" <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OtpkQ$KwHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.
>> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry
>> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.
>> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,
>> finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they
>> realise that they didn't know what they were doing.
>>
>> Alun Harford
>

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:12:27 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>To put it another way...
>A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the
>registry they are unable to see something wrong.
>Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job
>manually but desire a too to speed the job.
>
>Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the
>registry alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.

Another implied I'm smarter than you post from Jupiter.

ROTFLMAO! So damn funny!

Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry in
your Registry purpose is when your typical Vista Registry runs tens of
thousands of lines and I'll show you a damn fool.

While years ago Registry Cleaners were rather crude today they are
safe IF you use them correctly. Saying nothing is to be gaining from
cleaning dead wood from your Registry is like saying nothing is gained
from removing that 800 pounds of sand you been dragging around in your
car's trunk for years.

One of the main reasons to use a Registry Cleaner is to clean up after
applications that don't always remove themselves completely when you
try to uninstall them. This can cause Windows to try to load a driver
that isn't there anymore since there could be a line in the Registry
that points to it still. This can cause the boot process to take
longer or in a worse case can cause Windows to go into some endless
loop trying to execute something in the Registry that isn't linked to
anything anymore.

Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs. <wink>

For years I have avoided "registry cleaners". My VHP system is
only ~10 weeks old, but has become quite slow despite several
attempts to speed it up.

In frustration I decided to try a reg cleaner, and picked a
freeware product that has been highly recommended by those who
believe in such a thing. I did a backup, restore point, etc. I
then did four benchmarks:

1. Batch Run (a little script) MSWord/Excel/PPt from Office 2007
2. Batch Run FireFox/Tbird/WMail/+3 utilities
3. Search & replace a complex conditional in a 20MB word file
4. Reboot time (clean, two consecutive reboots, 2nd was timed)
I know there are better ways to measure.

The cleaner scanned and found 3306 unnecessary items, of which
about 300 were "not completely safe to remove" and the rest were
deemed "completely safe to remove". I scrolled through the list,
and recognized quite a number of keys bearing names of apps
removed and services unused. Like just about anyone, I had to
decide whether to just click or to examine and guess on more
than 3000 items. With a restore point and reg backup, and 100%
files back up (Mozy), I crossed my fingers and clicked to "fix"
the "safe" ones.

It worked. The computer is obviously faster, and it's not
placebo effect. It now loads Word/XL/PPt (all three) in 3
seconds after pressing the hotkey - down from 9 - really! Comm
apps loaded in half the time. The unit reboots fine and in only
2/3 the time, under the same conditions (the second reboot,
nothing loaded). S&R in the word file took about the same time.

I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true
believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:06:02 -0700, Arun
<Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista
> Ultimate.............



The best registry cleaner is *no* registry cleaner.

I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners. Cleaning
of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry
alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people
think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
you.


The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Kerry Brown wrote:

> System Restore, Regedit, and Windows Explorer
>
Don't forget Reinstall.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:02:38 -0700, notachance <nochance@all.to>
wrote:

>For years I have avoided "registry cleaners". My VHP system is
>only ~10 weeks old, but has become quite slow despite several
>attempts to speed it up.
>
>In frustration I decided to try a reg cleaner, and picked a
>freeware product that has been highly recommended by those who
>believe in such a thing. I did a backup, restore point, etc. I
>then did four benchmarks:
>
>1. Batch Run (a little script) MSWord/Excel/PPt from Office 2007
>2. Batch Run FireFox/Tbird/WMail/+3 utilities
>3. Search & replace a complex conditional in a 20MB word file
>4. Reboot time (clean, two consecutive reboots, 2nd was timed)
>I know there are better ways to measure.
>
>The cleaner scanned and found 3306 unnecessary items, of which
>about 300 were "not completely safe to remove" and the rest were
>deemed "completely safe to remove". I scrolled through the list,
>and recognized quite a number of keys bearing names of apps
>removed and services unused. Like just about anyone, I had to
>decide whether to just click or to examine and guess on more
>than 3000 items. With a restore point and reg backup, and 100%
>files back up (Mozy), I crossed my fingers and clicked to "fix"
>the "safe" ones.
>
>It worked. The computer is obviously faster, and it's not
>placebo effect. It now loads Word/XL/PPt (all three) in 3
>seconds after pressing the hotkey - down from 9 - really! Comm
>apps loaded in half the time. The unit reboots fine and in only
>2/3 the time, under the same conditions (the second reboot,
>nothing loaded). S&R in the word file took about the same time.
>
>I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true
>believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.


Notice that all the people saying never use a Registry Cleaner are
either the same crop of loud fanboys or clueless MVPs. Nothing beats
real word experiments as you've just detailed.

I think part of the hostility towards Registry Cleaners is once upon a
time they were garbage. Times change, things improve. Windows was once
garbage too. It's the same knock Real Player gets. It use to include
spyware and it got black listed, It hasn't for years, is still one of
the best players offering some of the best compression verses quality
you can get. Yet people hold a grudge or just are dumb and because of
it, take your pick, won't use it. ;-)

"Another implied I'm smarter than you..."
Whatever you CHOOSE to ASSUME is up to you.
However most know what ASSUME means and again you do it.
It seems your insecurity shows in another way since you CHOOSE to see
what is not there.

"Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry..."
I never said any such thing.
But users need to know what a specific key does before letting the
cleaner remove it.
Your NEED to twist what is said to fuel your agenda is noted...again.
However I do know those familiar with the registry almost to that
point you suggest.
They and others manage the registry manually or use the tool to
identify then they decide what to delete.

"Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs."
Attacking again, such a typical post from you.
I thought you had matured beyond your stalking of a week ago.
Apparently I was mistaken since you NEED to stalk again as you have in
the past.
You obviously have no clue.
At least this time you contributed something to the thread where in
the past your entire contribution was NOTHING but attacks.

But a very typical post displaying your own insecurities as
demonstrated by your continuing need to attack to shore up your
position.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:ubgv83tqs6nf0m3jcdmv9lt8jtcon2dldf@4ax.com...
> Another implied I'm smarter than you post from Jupiter.
>
> ROTFLMAO! So damn funny!
>
> Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry in
> your Registry purpose is when your typical Vista Registry runs tens
> of
> thousands of lines and I'll show you a damn fool.
>
> While years ago Registry Cleaners were rather crude today they are
> safe IF you use them correctly. Saying nothing is to be gaining from
> cleaning dead wood from your Registry is like saying nothing is
> gained
> from removing that 800 pounds of sand you been dragging around in
> your
> car's trunk for years.
>
> One of the main reasons to use a Registry Cleaner is to clean up
> after
> applications that don't always remove themselves completely when you
> try to uninstall them. This can cause Windows to try to load a
> driver
> that isn't there anymore since there could be a line in the Registry
> that points to it still. This can cause the boot process to take
> longer or in a worse case can cause Windows to go into some endless
> loop trying to execute something in the Registry that isn't linked
> to
> anything anymore.
>
> Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs. <wink>

Mr. Happy wrote:

> Kerry Brown wrote:
>
>
>>System Restore, Regedit, and Windows Explorer
>>
>
> Don't forget Reinstall.
>
> Shake Hands With,
> Mr. Happy
>
>
>
>
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It that you Doris? You're sounding more & more like the poster formally
know as "Doris Day".
He/she/it disappeared recently and now you appear sprouting the same
linux loser bs.
Well...?
Frank