Vista - How can i back up the whole operating system?

For backup purposes, I recently bought a Seagate 160 GB external USB hard
drive for $60 at my local electronics store. I am using the Windows Vista
Automatic Backup to this drive routinely for my files and settings. I have
Vista Home Premium and it does not have the option to do a 'Complete PC
Backup' Although I have not done a 'complete restore' from the backup
drive, I have tested restoring selected files from the backup ok. I try not
to complicate my life with third party programs unless I really have to. I
have no experience with using the external drive for more than one computer.

"The Sand" <The.Sand.2tjes5@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for your advice Peter. I checked out the Acronis program (as it
> has been mentioned more than once) and it goes for about $40 - external
> hard drives for for about $140. It sounds like that is ALL you would
> need in regard to back up. That it would do "everything." But is it
> difficult??? I bought Adobe Photoshop once and literally couldn't figure
> it out... it's still sitting on my desktop as I roll with Picasa. It was
> an expensive mistake and I don't ever want to buy another program I
> can't figure out how to use. Also... can I use that external hard drive
> to back up more than one computer??? The bottom line - if I had Acronis
> which backed my stuff up to some external hard drive - when my sytem
> recently crahesd would I have been able to "use" it? Or are there times
> when even that's not possible. Just want to make sure I don't lay out a
> bunch of money and end up in the same place ya know... Thanks - all
> advise is great...
>
>
> --
> The Sand

"John Hanley" <jphanley@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> For backup purposes, I recently bought a Seagate 160 GB external USB hard
> drive for $60 at my local electronics store. I am using the Windows Vista
> Automatic Backup to this drive routinely for my files and settings. I
> have Vista Home Premium and it does not have the option to do a 'Complete
> PC Backup' Although I have not done a 'complete restore' from the backup
> drive, I have tested restoring selected files from the backup ok. I try
> not to complicate my life with third party programs unless I really have
> to. I have no experience with using the external drive for more than one
> computer.



> "The Sand" <The.Sand.2tjes5@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
> news:The.Sand.2tjes5@no-mx.forums.net...
>>
>> Thanks for your advice Peter. I checked out the Acronis program (as it
>> has been mentioned more than once) and it goes for about $40 - external
>> hard drives for for about $140. It sounds like that is ALL you would
>> need in regard to back up. That it would do "everything." But is it
>> difficult??? I bought Adobe Photoshop once and literally couldn't figure
>> it out... it's still sitting on my desktop as I roll with Picasa. It was
>> an expensive mistake and I don't ever want to buy another program I
>> can't figure out how to use. Also... can I use that external hard drive
>> to back up more than one computer??? The bottom line - if I had Acronis
>> which backed my stuff up to some external hard drive - when my sytem
>> recently crahesd would I have been able to "use" it? Or are there times
>> when even that's not possible. Just want to make sure I don't lay out a
>> bunch of money and end up in the same place ya know... Thanks - all
>> advise is great...
>> --
>> The Sand


The Sand:
The Acronis True Image program is a decent disk cloning/disk imaging
program. As you have heard, it's a comprehensive backup program that will,
in effect, create a bit-for-bit copy of your day-to-day working HDD,
including the operating system, all programs & applications, and all
user-created data. A most complete backup system.

Now let me say at the outset that I've worked very little with the Vista OS
and nearly all my experience in recent years has been with the XP OS. So
that the instructions I'm going to provide you (and others) re using the ATI
program relate to using that program in an XP environment. However, my
friends & colleagues, some of whom have had extensive experience with the
Vista OS, have informed me that the latest version of the Acronis True Image
program - version 10 and the latest "build" of that program - work just fine
with Vista so that presumably the following instructions (with perhaps some
minor modifications) apply to the Vista OS as well. However, see my caveat
following these instructions.

You may be aware that Acronis has a 15-day trial version of its program
available on its web site - http://www.acronis.com so that you may want to
give the program a try.

I've posted to various MS XP newsgroups the following step-by-step
instructions for using the Acronis program. Here it is again...

Step-by-Step Instructions for Using the Acronis True Image Program to Backup
& Restore One's Hard Drive...

Using the Acronis True Image program there are two different approaches one
can take to back up the entire contents of one's day-to-day working HDD,
i.e., the operating system, all programs & applications, and user-created
data - in short, *everything* that's on one's HDD...

1. Direct disk-to-disk cloning, or,
2. Creating disk images

By using either of these strategies the user can restore his or her system
should their day-to-day working HDD become inoperable because of
mechanical/electronic failure of the disk or corruption of the system
resulting in a dysfunctional operating system.

In undertaking either of these two backup & recovery processes you're
dealing with two hard drives - the so-called source & destination disks -
the source disk being the HDD you're backing up and the destination disk
being the HDD that will be the recipient of the cloned contents of the
source disk or the recipient of the disk image you will be creating.

When using either process it's usually best for most users to use an
external HDD as the destination drive, i.e., the recipient of the cloned
contents of the source disk or the recipient of the created disk image. This
can be either a USB or Firewire or SATA external HDD. While another internal
HDD can also serve as the destination disk there's an additional element of
safety in using an external HDD since that drive will be ordinarily
disconnected from the system except during the disk cloning or recovery
process.

One other suggestion. After you install the Acronis program on your computer
it's a good idea to create what Acronis calls their "Bootable Rescue Media"
(CD). In most cases the recovery process (described below) will utilize that
Acronis bootable CD to restore your system. This "rescue" CD is easily
created from the program by clicking on the "Create Bootable Rescue Media"
icon on the opening Acronis screen and simply going through the screens to
create the bootable CD. The following are step-by-step instructions for
using the Acronis True Image 9 program to clone the contents of one HDD to
an external HDD. (The steps are essentially the same using the newer ATI 10
version):

1. With both hard drives (source & destination disks) connected, boot up.
Ensure that no other storage devices, e.g., flash drives, ZIP drives, etc.,
are connected. It's also probably a good idea to shut down any programs you
may have working in the background - including any anti-virus anti-spyware
programs - before undertaking this disk-to-disk cloning operation.

2. Access the Acronis True Image 9 program and under "Pick a Task", click
on "Clone Disk". (In the ATI 10 version click on "Manage Hard Disks" in the
"Pick a Tool" area and on the next screen click on "Clone Disk").

3. On the next "Welcome to the Disk Clone Wizard!" window, click Next.

4. On the next "Clone Mode" window select the Automatic option (it should
be the default option selected) and click Next.

5. On the next "Source Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct source
HDD (the disk you're cloning from) has been selected (click to highlight).
Click Next.

6. On the next "Destination Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct
destination HDD (the disk you're cloning to) has been selected (again, click
to highlight). Click Next.

7. On the next window, select the option "Delete partitions on the
destination hard disk". Understand that all data presently on the disk that
will be the recipient of the clone will be deleted prior to the disk cloning
operation. Click Next.

8. The next window will reflect the source and destination disks. Again,
confirm that the correct drives have been selected. Click Next.

9. On the next window click on the Proceed button. A message box will
display indicating that a reboot will be required to undertake the disk
cloning operation. Click Reboot.

10. The cloning operation will proceed during the reboot. With modern
components and a medium to high-powered processor, data transfer rate will
be somewhere in the range of about 450 MB/min to 800 MB/min when cloning to
a USB external HDD; considerably faster when cloning to another internal
HDD.

11. When the disk cloning operation has been completed, a message will
(usually) appear indicating the disk cloning process has been successful and
instructs you to shut down the computer by pressing any key. Do so and
disconnect your USB external HDD. If, however, the destination drive (the
recipient of the clone) has been another *internal* HDD, see the NOTE below.

12. Note that the cloned contents now residing on the USB external HDD take
on the file system of the source drive. For example, if prior to the
disk-cloning operation your USB external HDD had been FAT32-formatted and
your XP OS was NTFS-formatted, the cloned contents will be NTFS-formatted.

There is no need to format the USB external HDD prior to the disk-cloning
operation. Similarly, there is no need prior to the disk-cloning operation
to format an internal HDD should you be using an internal HDD as the
destination drive .

13. Restoration of the system can be achieved by cloning the contents of the
data residing on the external HDD to an internal HDD through the normal
disk-cloning process as described above.

NOTE: Just one other point that should be emphasized with respect to the
disk cloning operation should the recipient of the clone be another internal
HDD and not a USB or Firewire external HDD. Immediately following the disk
cloning operation the machine should be shutdown and the source HDD should
be disconnected. Boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive. DO NOT BOOT
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED.
There's a strong possibility that by doing so it is likely to cause future
boot problems with the cloned drive. Obviously there is no problem in this
area should a USB or Firewire EHD be the recipient of the clone since that
device is not ordinarily bootable in an XP environment.


Disk Imaging: The following are step-by-step instructions for using the
Acronis True Image 9 Program to create disk images for backup purposes and
using those disk images for recovery of the system. (The steps are
essentially the same using the newer ATI 10 version):

Note: The recipient of the disk image, presumably a USB external HDD or an
internal HDD, ordinarily must be a formatted drive and have a drive letter
assigned to it. Recall that in the case of a disk-to-disk cloning operation
as previously described, an unformatted or "virgin" HDD can be used as the
destination disk.

Before undertaking this disk imaging process it's probably best to close all
programs running in the background including your anti-virus and other
anti-malware programs.

1. With both your source and destination hard drives connected, access the
Acronis program and click "Backup" on main menu.

2. The "Create Backup Wizard" screen opens. Click Next.

3. The "Select Backup Type" screen opens with two options: a. The entire
disk contents or individual partitions. b. Files and folders. Select a. and
click Next.

(In the ATI 10 version four options will be listed: My Computer, My Data, My
Application Settings, and My E-mail. Select the My Computer option and click
Next.)

4. The "Partitions Selection" screen opens. Disk 1 and Disk 2 are listed
with their drive letter designations. Check the disk to be backed up -
presumably Disk 1 - and click Next.

5. An informational message appears recommending an incremental or
differential backup if an original full backup had previously been
created.Since this will be the first backup we will be selecting, just click
OK to close the message box. (You can check the box not to show that
informational message in the future).

6. Next screen is the "Backup Archive Location". In the "File name:" text
box, (in ATI 10 version it's the "Folder:" text box) enter your backup drive
letter and enter a file name for the backup file, e.g., "F:\Backup 6-25".
The Acronis program will automatically append the ".tib" file extension to
the filename. Click Next.

7. "Select Backup Mode" screen opens. Select "Create a new full backup
archive" option and click Next.

8. "Choose Backup Options" screen opens with two options:
a. Use default options
b. Set the options manually.
If you select the b. option, you can select various options listed on the
next screen. Two of them are of interest to us:

Compression level - Four options - None, Normal (the default), High,
Maximum. There's a "Description" area that shows the estimated size of the
backup archive depending upon the option chosen, and the estimated "creation
time" for each option.

Backup priority - Three options - Low, Normal, or High Low - "backup
processed more slowly, but it will not influence other processes running on
computer."
(Default) Normal - "normal speed but backup process will influence other
processes running on computer." High - "normal speed but backup process will
strongly influence other processes running on computer."

With respect to the compression levels, we've found that when using the
Normal option the original data is compressed by about 20% - 25% (and
sometimes much greater) and that the High and Maximum options will result in
a compressed backup file only slightly higher than that. However, the amount
of time to create the backup files when using the High or Maximum
compression level is substantially greater than when using the Normal
compression level. So unless disk space is very tight on the destination
drive, i.e., the drive where the backup file will be saved, we recommend
using the Normal compression level (at least initially).

NOTE: You can set the Compression level and Backup priority defaults from
the Acronis Tools > Options > Default backup options menu items.

9. "Archive comments" screen opens allowing you to add comments to the
backup archive which you can review during the Recovery process. Click Next.

10. The next screen summarizes the backup operation to be performed. Review
the information for correctness and click the Proceed button.

11. The next screen will display status bars reflecting the progress of the
backup operation. After the backup operation finishes, an informational
message will appear indicting the operation was successfully completed.


Incremental Backups (Disk Images)
1. After the initial backup archive has been created you can create
incremental backups reflecting any data changes since the previous backup
operation. This incremental backup process proceeds considerably faster than
the initial backup operation. This, of course, is a major advantage of
creating disk images rather than undertaking the disk-to-disk cloning
process. Then too, since these created disk images are compressed files they
are reasonable in size. And because the incremental disk images can usually
be created very quickly (as compared with the direct disk-to-disk cloning
process), there's an incentive for the user to keep his/her system
up-to-date backup-wise by using this disk imaging process on a more frequent
basis than the disk-cloning process.

Note that you must create the incremental backup files on the same HDD where
you stored the original backup archive and any subsequent incremental backup
files.

2. Access the Acronis program as detailed above and move through the
screens. When you arrive at the "Backup Archive Location" screen, click on
the original backup archive file, or if one or more incremental backup files
were previously created, click on the last incremental backup file and
verify that the correct drive letter and file name are shown in the "File
name:" text box. After clicking Next, the program will automatically create
a file name for the incremental backup archive file, using the original file
name and appending a consecutive number - starting at 2 - at the end of the
file name. For example, say you named the original backup archive file
"Backup 7-25". The first incremental backup file will be automatically named
"Backup 7-252" and the next incremental file "Backup 7-253", etc.

NOTE THAT ALL YOUR INCREMENTAL BACKUP FILES MUST BE PRESENT FOR RECOVERY
PURPOSES. DO NOT DELETE ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUSLY-CREATED INCREMENTAL BACKUP
FILES FOLLOWING THE CREATION OF A CURRENT INCREMENTAL BACKUP FILE. YOU CAN
DELETE THE INCREMENTAL FILES ONLY AFTER CREATING A FULL BACKUP ARCHIVE AS
DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION.

3. On the following "Select Backup Mode" screen, select the "Create
incremental Backup" option, click Next, and proceed through the screens as
you did in creating the initial backup archive.


Recovery Process (Disk images): We'll assume the recovery will be to either
a non-defective HDD that has become unbootable for one reason or another, or
to a new HDD. The HDD to be restored need not be partitioned/formatted since
the recovery process will take care of that function.

Note that in most cases you will be using the Acronis "Bootable Rescue
"Media" (CD) that you created when you originally installed the Acronis
program. If you didn't create that bootable CD at that time, you can create
it now from the Acronis program (assuming You can access the program at this
time) by clicking on the "Create Bootable Rescue Media" icon on the opening
Acronis screen and simply going through the screens to create the bootable
CD.

Note: If the recovery will be made to a HDD that is still bootable and
you're able to access the Acronis program on that drive, then you can
undertake the recovery process without the need for using the "bootable
rescue" CD.

1. With both the drive containing the backup disk images and the drive you
want to restore connected and with the bootable rescue CD inserted, boot up.

2. At the opening screen, click on "Acronis True Image Home (Full Version)".

3. The program will open after some moments. On the "Pick a Task" screen
that opens, click on "Recovery".

4. The "Welcome to the Restore Data Wizard!" screen opens. Click on Next.

5. The "Archive Selection" screen opens. Navigate to the drive containing
the backup archive file(s) and select the last incremental backup file or
the original full backup file if no incremental backup files were
subsequently created. Ensure that the correct drive letter and filename are
entered in the "File name:" text box. Click Next.

6. In the Acronis version 9 program, the "Archive Date Selection" screen
opens. Select (highlight) the last incremental backup file from the listing
and click Next. This screen does not appear in version 10.

7. The "Restoration Type Selection" screen opens. Select the option,
"Restore disks or partitions" and click Next.

8. The "Partition or Disk to Restore" will open. Click on "Disk 1" and click
Next.

9. After some moments the "Restored Hard Disk Drive Location" screen opens.
Select (highlight) the HDD to be restored and click Next.

10. On the next screen select the "Yes" option to delete all current
partitions on the destination HDD. Click Next.

11. On the next screen select the "No" option and click Next.

12. On the next screen you have the option to validate the backup archive
before restoration. Click Next.

13. The final screen before the restoration operation begins will open.
Confirm that the information as shown is correct. Click Proceed.

14. Click OK when following completion of the recovery operation a message
appears indicating a successful recovery operation.

15. Remove the Acronis bootable rescue CD and close the Acronis program. The
system will reboot. A Windows "Found New Hardware" message followed by the
"System Settings Change" message box may appear on the Desktop. If they do,
click Yes for a reboot.

You mention that you may want to use your external HDD to act as the
recipient of backup material from more than one computer. If that be the
case, it would be more practical for you to use the disk imaging capability
rather than the disk cloning capability of the Acronis or any other similar
type of program that provides both disk cloning & disk imaging capabilities.
Under those circumstances you would simple create either different folders
or multi-partitions on the external device to contain the disk image(s).
Anna

P. S.
Again, I wish to emphasize that the step-by-step instructions for using the
ATI program that I've listed above are based on my direct experience with
that program in an XP environment. I would welcome any comments,
corrections, etc., re the above information from users who have been using
the ATI program with the Vista OS.

Wow! I love this forum - it's so and helpful... John, you fully got a great deal on the Seagate external hard drive because Best Buy is quoting $150.

Anna - thanks for these instructions - it gives me an idea of how Acronis will work - I'm going to copy and save them. I think I'll buy the hard dive and then use the "trial" for the Acronis and see how it goes. Because in the end I really do want an ENTIRE backup as opposed to just my "files and settings."

Thanks again for all the advice...

Can anybody tell me how to get rid of all that stuff by my name "The Sand." I've looked at all the stuff to check and uncheck in "Edit profiles" and "Edit Options." etc., but don't see how to do it. I have no idea why it says "Knowledgeable" under my name either... who put that there - I certainly didn't.

"peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote:
>I found that Using Acronis True Image and an External HD works extremely
>well.

Acronis is available for $29 here -

http://www.ugr.com/TrueImage.html


--

Advertising is the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it.

....Stephen Leacock

I wish I had that link Steve because I got if for $40 at Best Buy. I also picked a "WD Passport Portable Hard Drive." I'm ready to roll... now I just have to figure out how to do it. I'm hoping after my next crash I will be able to recover faster with my stuff backed up in a better way... Thanks to everybody and their input here to help me make a good decision!

"peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote:
>I found that Using Acronis True Image and an External HD works extremely
>well.

Does it work even if you're migrating to a new PC with a different
motherboard etc?


--

Advertising is the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it.

....Stephen Leacock

I asked the guy at Best Buy that and he said no. To restore the entire image it has to be to the same computer that crasehd. He said it would "try" (to restore to another computer) but give you "error" messages.

Sandy

The Sand wrote:
> I asked the guy at Best Buy that and he said no. To restore the
> entire image it has to be to the same computer that crasehd. He
> said it would "try" (to restore to another computer) but give you
> "error" messages.

In XP - to accomplish such things you had to perform a repair installation
after you applied the image - so the correct Hardware Abstraction Layer
(HAL) could be loaded and thus - identify all the hardware components in the
new machine properly.

I have not yet tried it in Windows Vista - but I bet such a thing exists.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

As I understand in Acronis, when migrating to another machine, you use
'Clone' instead of 'Backup."

--
Leo

It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end-to-end,
someone would be stupid enough to try to pass them.



"Steve" <dbn@whc.inv> wrote in message
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> "peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>I found that Using Acronis True Image and an External HD works extremely
>>well.
>
> Does it work even if you're migrating to a new PC with a different
> motherboard etc?
>
>
> --
>
> Advertising is the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough
> to get money from it.
>
> ...Stephen Leacock