Vista - Register Cleaner.

Huib wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a Register Cleaner which will clean-up remaining parts
> of installed / removed SW.
>
> Which one is causing no problems within Vista?
>
> Regards
> Huib



Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


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Alias wrote:
>
> www.ccleaner.com
>


You know better.

CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you
step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it
really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the
application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported
"issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a
brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and
certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still
managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and
dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files.

CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I would ever use it,
lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the
hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or
worse than any other snake oil product of the same type.


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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:20:38 -0600, Bruce Chambers
<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>Huib wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am looking for a Register Cleaner which will clean-up remaining parts
>> of installed / removed SW.
>>
>> Which one is causing no problems within Vista?
>>
>> Regards
>> Huib
>
>
>

> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry?

You're not going to start up again are you?

There are valid reasons to use Registry Cleaners, they work. End of
story.

I've come in late to the comments, but I've read them all. I've used RegVac
by SuperWin software going back to Win 95. It works flawlessly and is safe.
The first time I ran RegVac on my Vista Small Business laptop after
uninstalling unwanted software, 15,500 entries were deleted. My heart
skipped a beat wondering if it got a little overzealous, but as always, no
problems. I run it regularly after making changes to the system. All
changes made by RegVac are reversible, and even though I am an experienced
user, I run it in what is called Novice mode. mike S


"Spirit" <noone@notthere.net> wrote in message
news:uNsxP4F1HHA.5824@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I also use Auslogic Defrag and Registry Compressor, both free.
>
> http://www.auslogics.com/
>
> I just ran the Registry compressor and the registry was compressed from
> 55,600K to 49,000K which saved 6.6 Meg of registry space and the
> program claimed the registry was at least 16% faster. Since the registry
> is essentially a flat file database with data in binary format the smaller
> it
> is, generally, the faster it should be able to function.
>
> To run the Compressor close all programs and you may need to stop
> some with Task Manager. The compressor does create a Restore Point
> before compressing.
>
> "Huib" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:e9p%23yGF1HHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am looking for a Register Cleaner which will clean-up remaining parts
>> of installed / removed SW.
>>
>> Which one is causing no problems within Vista?
>>
>> Regards
>> Huib
>

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message news:mhh2b3l7t0kol7tp88b9nn23vfhlh8mmka@4ax.com...

> There are valid reasons to use Registry Cleaners, they work. End of
> story.




Adam

Can you tell us what are the valid reasons for using Registry Cleaners???

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Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>>
>> www.ccleaner.com
>>
>
>
> You know better.
>
> CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you
> step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it
> really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the
> application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported
> "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a
> brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and
> certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still
> managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and
> dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files.
>
> CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I would ever use it,
> lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the
> hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or
> worse than any other snake oil product of the same type.
>
>

The above is your opinion. I have used the issues feature on three
computers since Crap Cleaner came out without one single problem. I have
a friend who repairs computers who has used it on dozens of computers
without one single problem. In addition we both use SystemSuite's
registry fixer without one single problem except that the machines ALL
run faster than before cleaning up the registry. I have been using SS
since 03 and he was using since the last century when it was put out by
OnTrack.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:20:38 -0600, Bruce Chambers
> <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:
>
>>Huib wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Register Cleaner which will clean-up remaining parts
>>> of installed / removed SW.
>>>
>>> Which one is causing no problems within Vista?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Huib
>>
>>
>>
>
>> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry?
>
> You're not going to start up again are you?
>
> There are valid reasons to use Registry Cleaners, they work. End of
> story.

Such as?

Every study so far have proven that these so-called 'tweakers' and 'speed
boosters' do more harm than the so-called 'issues' that the claim to fix.

Me? I've run vanilla Windows for years and I'm always gettings 'oohs' and
'aahs' about how fast it is - its not fast, it just isn't clogged up with
crap which is what these third party applications do.

Matthew
>

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:20:38 -0600, Bruce Chambers
> <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:
>
>> Huib wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a Register Cleaner which will clean-up remaining parts
>>> of installed / removed SW.
>>>
>>> Which one is causing no problems within Vista?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Huib
>>
>>
>
>> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry?
>
> You're not going to start up again are you?


When people ask for advice, and if I'm confident of the answer, I give it.

>
> There are valid reasons to use Registry Cleaners, they work. End of
> story.
>


That's at least *two* lies, maybe three.


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Peter Foldes wrote:
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message news:mhh2b3l7t0kol7tp88b9nn23vfhlh8mmka@4ax.com...
>
>> There are valid reasons to use Registry Cleaners, they work. End of
>> story.
>
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> Can you tell us what are the valid reasons for using Registry Cleaners???
>


Don't hold your breath; he's steadfastly refused to do so, to date.


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I've never found a need for one.
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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> Peter Foldes wrote:
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:mhh2b3l7t0kol7tp88b9nn23vfhlh8mmka@4ax.com...
>> There are valid reasons to use Registry Cleaners, they work. End of
>> story. Adam

>> Can you tell us what are the valid reasons for using Registry Cleaners???

> Don't hold your breath; he's steadfastly refused to do so, to date.
> Bruce Chambers