Vista Tutorial - MVP's Can't you STOP the spammers?

Can you use OE to point to the Google servers or do you have to point to
msnews.microsoft.com?


"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message
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> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>> I did notice that some political and Ubuntu messages were removed this
>> morning. So someone has the authority to do so.
>
> There is censorship in that MS will occasionally remove posts from their
> servers but the posts stay on all the others and on Google.
>
> --
> Alias
> To email me, remove shoes

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:25:16 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
wrote:

>I did notice that some political and Ubuntu messages were removed this
>morning. So someone has the authority to do so.

You're confusing running ONE particular news server with the wider
Usenet universe which Microsoft has ZERO authority over. Why would
anyone want to access this newsgroup via Microsoft servers? They're
slow, often go down and they censor. I bet fan boys don't get censored
or the MVP gang.

Bill Yanaire wrote:
> Can you use OE to point to the Google servers or do you have to point to
> msnews.microsoft.com?

Don't think so but you can use a free server like aioe.cjb.net and get a
lot more groups than msnews can. For example, you can access
alt.os.linux.ubuntu :-)

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>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message
> news:%23ImVvRf1HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>> I did notice that some political and Ubuntu messages were removed this
>>> morning. So someone has the authority to do so.
>> There is censorship in that MS will occasionally remove posts from their
>> servers but the posts stay on all the others and on Google.
>>

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:58:18 -0700, "Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever>
wrote:

> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message
> news:eQQ0Toe1HHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Just get use to it. MVP's are volunteers and have no authority to police
> > the group. Since this is open to the public, even the Linux zealots can
> > post whenever they want to.
>
> But it'd really help if everybody would stop responding to them.


It sure would, but experience has shown this to be a pipe dream. Even
if everyone here stopped today, there would be new people here
tomorrow and they would respond.

The only solution, imperfect as it is, is use of the killfile.


> They're
> here because they get attention and if they stop getting that feedback
> they'd go away or, at the very least, the group wouldn't be cluttered with
> all the responses and back-and-forth name calling.
>

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:58:18 -0700, "Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever>
> wrote:
>
>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message
>> news:eQQ0Toe1HHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Just get use to it. MVP's are volunteers and have no authority to
>> > police
>> > the group. Since this is open to the public, even the Linux zealots
>> > can
>> > post whenever they want to.
>>
>> But it'd really help if everybody would stop responding to them.
>
>
> It sure would, but experience has shown this to be a pipe dream. Even
> if everyone here stopped today, there would be new people here
> tomorrow and they would respond.
>
> The only solution, imperfect as it is, is use of the killfile.

I agree that it's not perfect but when several people continually respond to
them it's certainly not helping the situation. Just because a solution
isn't perfect doesn't mean it won't help some. Besides, if somebody new
falls into their little game a response to the newbie explaining that they
are arguing with a troll can shut off those avenues as well.

I just started perusing this group recently because I ran into some issues
with Vista and thought it might help and it has. Unfortunately I've already
had to killfile more people here than any other group I've ever dealt with
and am on the verge of killfiling several MVP's because so many of their
posts are just troll baiting noise. I know you guys know better.

Bob;
As with Windows XP, the general newsgroup seems to be a catch all.
There are many Windows Vista newsgroups.
Many of the questions posed here are better answered in a different
group more specific to the issue.

Unfortunately even the suggestion of someone posting to a more
appropriate newsgroup has some complaining that the person making the
suggestion is trying to control others.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message
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> I agree that it's not perfect but when several people continually
> respond to them it's certainly not helping the situation. Just
> because a solution isn't perfect doesn't mean it won't help some.
> Besides, if somebody new falls into their little game a response to
> the newbie explaining that they are arguing with a troll can shut
> off those avenues as well.
>
> I just started perusing this group recently because I ran into some
> issues with Vista and thought it might help and it has.
> Unfortunately I've already had to killfile more people here than any
> other group I've ever dealt with and am on the verge of killfiling
> several MVP's because so many of their posts are just troll baiting
> noise. I know you guys know better.

"Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote:

> Unfortunately I've already had to killfile more people here than
> any other group I've ever dealt with and am on the verge of
> killfiling several MVP's because so many of their posts are just
> troll baiting noise. I know you guys know better.

Sorry, can't help other than to say reading this group almost demands a
newsreader with scoring capabilities such as Dialog, Pan, SLRN and, of
course, my choice, Xnews.

Windows Mail is improved over Outlook Express but being able to
killfile or scorefile is one area where it's still deficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorefile



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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message
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> Don't think so but you can use a free server like aioe.cjb.net and get a
> lot more groups than msnews can. For example, you can access
> alt.os.linux.ubuntu :-)
>
> --
> Alias
> To email me, remove shoes

ROFLOL...Naturally!!!
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:10:17 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:

>"Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately I've already had to killfile more people here than
>> any other group I've ever dealt with and am on the verge of
>> killfiling several MVP's because so many of their posts are just
>> troll baiting noise. I know you guys know better.
>
>Sorry, can't help other than to say reading this group almost demands a
>newsreader with scoring capabilities such as Dialog, Pan, SLRN and, of
>course, my choice, Xnews.
>
>Windows Mail is improved over Outlook Express but being able to
>killfile or scorefile is one area where it's still deficient.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorefile


Why can't you admit the real problem is too many posters here are hot
heads and can't resist responding to and trying to bait other people?
I can stop responding to idiots like Frank without even giving it a
second thought. However it is fun to make him dance and dance he does.

Then there is the MVP problem. A few jerks just can't help being
control freaks, net cops and BS spreaders.

Don't blame me for pointing out this newsgroup is a circus. Instead
complain to the people that MAKE it a circus. Even if you did, you
think for second the clowns would stop being clowns? Of course not.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> Bob;
> As with Windows XP, the general newsgroup seems to be a catch all.
> There are many Windows Vista newsgroups.
> Many of the questions posed here are better answered in a different group
> more specific to the issue.
>
> Unfortunately even the suggestion of someone posting to a more appropriate
> newsgroup has some complaining that the person making the suggestion is
> trying to control others.

Understood; I have a long history with the newsgroups in other forums and
have been through this many times. All I'm saying is that if people
thinking ignoring the trolls is a pipe dream then I've got to wonder why
they think constantly interacting with them is going to help. I'm not
saying you shouldn't give new, off-topic posters the benfit of the doubt and
tell them that they are in the wrong place... I'm saying that once it's
apparent you have a troll the only thing that *might* work is ignoring them.
I'd hate to see a potentially useful group get bogged down in all these
long, pointless threads.