Vista - Lost restore points

I am talking about saving the "restore point" data that exists within Vista
BEFORE booting to XP erases it. If Vista creates a restore point that data
lives on the hard drive. There must be some way to copy that data to some
safe place prior to booting to XP. Then when you boot Vista and need a
restore point you copy that data back to where it would normally live. Has
this ever been discussed?

"Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote in message
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> There are workarounds that are well known. Bit Locker--if Bit Locker is
> in your Vista edition is one way to protect the Vista restore points. I
> have seen some others mentioned on this group and the setup group if you
> search for them.
>
> I know John Barnett has in the past advocated using Tweak UI as an
> alternative to Bit Locker encryption, but several sites have posted that
> doesn't work.
>
> MSFT has also confirmed that Tweak UI won't do it.
>
> John's article is here:
> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/prevent...windows_xp.htm
>
> Bert Kinney's article and methods with 3rd party is here:
> http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html
>
> Some people have used Acronis 10 or Boot Magic to hide the Vista restore
> points.
>
> Others have done this:
>
> Start->run->gpedit.msc-->user configuration > Administrative Templates >
> windows components > windows explorer > hide these specified drives in My
> Computer
>
> or
>
> Note also that in that section of gpedit.msc there's a "Prevent access to
> drives from My Computer," which looks like an even stronger option
> compared to "hide these specified drives in My Computer
>
> or
>
> perhaps assigning a drive letter to your Vista partition might work when
> you want to boot to XP. Administrative tools -> Computer Management ->
> Disk Management, and remove drive letter assignment for the Vista
> partition?
>
>
> CH
>
> "DanR" <dhr22@sorrynospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23oI0S4D2HHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:C72C0E76-E9FF-47F3-A646-2CB24BD7FFE0@microsoft.com...
>>> Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing the
>>> flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it delets all
>>> the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>
>> I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore point???
>> Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I backup
>> my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of a Vista
>> restore point and then restore the restore point if need be.
>>
>>
>

DanR wrote:
>
> "Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:C72C0E76-E9FF-47F3-A646-2CB24BD7FFE0@microsoft.com...
>> Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing
>> the flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it
>> delets all the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\
>>
>> Ciao
>
> I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore point???
> Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I backup
> my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of a Vista
> restore point and then restore the restore point if need be.

This is not possible. The entire Vista partition would have to be backed up
with with imaging software.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

Dan R--

I think it has. We had a lot of discussion and several people dissected
what is going on very well during many of the Beta builds in 2006, and early
in 2007 on this group. If you do a search for system restore you should
find them, except for the limitation of how long some of the posts stay on
the server, and I'm not precise on how long that happens.

You're idea would make sense, except that I don't think it would confer
immunity on the Vista restore points because XP booting will discard them
and it's as Bert says--their would have to be some backing up with imaging
software.

I favor Acronis 10.

CH
"DanR" <dhr22@sorrynospam.com> wrote in message
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>I am talking about saving the "restore point" data that exists within Vista
>BEFORE booting to XP erases it. If Vista creates a restore point that data
>lives on the hard drive. There must be some way to copy that data to some
>safe place prior to booting to XP. Then when you boot Vista and need a
>restore point you copy that data back to where it would normally live. Has
>this ever been discussed?
>
> "Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote in message
> news:OaxTxDE2HHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> There are workarounds that are well known. Bit Locker--if Bit Locker is
>> in your Vista edition is one way to protect the Vista restore points. I
>> have seen some others mentioned on this group and the setup group if you
>> search for them.
>>
>> I know John Barnett has in the past advocated using Tweak UI as an
>> alternative to Bit Locker encryption, but several sites have posted that
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> MSFT has also confirmed that Tweak UI won't do it.
>>
>> John's article is here:
>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/prevent...windows_xp.htm
>>
>> Bert Kinney's article and methods with 3rd party is here:
>> http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html
>>
>> Some people have used Acronis 10 or Boot Magic to hide the Vista restore
>> points.
>>
>> Others have done this:
>>
>> Start->run->gpedit.msc-->user configuration > Administrative Templates >
>> windows components > windows explorer > hide these specified drives in My
>> Computer
>>
>> or
>>
>> Note also that in that section of gpedit.msc there's a "Prevent access to
>> drives from My Computer," which looks like an even stronger option
>> compared to "hide these specified drives in My Computer
>>
>> or
>>
>> perhaps assigning a drive letter to your Vista partition might work when
>> you want to boot to XP. Administrative tools -> Computer Management ->
>> Disk Management, and remove drive letter assignment for the Vista
>> partition?
>>
>>
>> CH
>>
>> "DanR" <dhr22@sorrynospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23oI0S4D2HHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
>>> news:C72C0E76-E9FF-47F3-A646-2CB24BD7FFE0@microsoft.com...
>>>> Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing
>>>> the flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it
>>>> delets all the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\
>>>>
>>>> Ciao
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore
>>> point???
>>> Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I backup
>>> my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of a Vista
>>> restore point and then restore the restore point if need be.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

I posted many times saying the same thing. I said it to MSFT in chats but
they said they weren't going to do it. I'm not a developer--someone who is
would be qualified to say how long it might take them and someone who works
with the teams who make system restore would be best. I have wondered how
much time and trouble but I just don't have a way to know on my own.

CH


"Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
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>I am actually tri-booting on this gateway machine... ubuntu, xp and vista
>ultimate...
>
> It just is annoying that it wasnt thought of while vista was being
> developed, it really can't be that big of an issue can it? Something a
> hotfix worth of man hours couldnt fix???
>
> Thanks
>
>

"Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote in message
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> ss-
>
> You're quite right. You can't do anything to merge them because they are
> different file formats (as you know) is what people from MSFT have told
> me. But...
>
> (I can't tell you the time line) I noticed the last few months (and I
> didn't do anything to make this happen) that messages I mail to Win Mail's
> in box show up in OE's box on XP now. But that wasn't the case for a long
> time--though the Betas and my memory is hazy on this so I don't know if
> something in RTM Vista changed this.
> As to Outlook, you can merge them easily if the accounts are on different
> OS's.
>
> On a dual boot machine, I rarely (and I mean for months) don't boot up to
> XP because I can access the XP files and desktop from Vista so I have no
> real need to. That's why I can't give you a firm time line. The last
> couple times I have though, I noticed my Win mail inbox entries in
> OE--that hadn't been happening.
>
> I'll try to find out what could have changed this. One of the OE/Win Mail
> experts that hang on that group would be more likely to keep up with
> anything happening in them.
>

I suspect that you are talking about IMAP mail accounts Chad.

ss.

"Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
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>
>
> DanR wrote:
>>
>> "Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:C72C0E76-E9FF-47F3-A646-2CB24BD7FFE0@microsoft.com...
>>> Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing the
>>> flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it delets all
>>> the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>
>> I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore point???
>> Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I backup
>> my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of a Vista
>> restore point and then restore the restore point if need be.
>
> This is not possible. The entire Vista partition would have to be backed
> up with with imaging software.
>
> Regards,
> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://bertk.mvps.org
> Member: http://dts-l.org

Do you know why that is? Is the restore data spread out all over the place?

DanR wrote:
>
> "Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:euIA2%23J2HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> DanR wrote:
>>>
>>> "Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
>>> news:C72C0E76-E9FF-47F3-A646-2CB24BD7FFE0@microsoft.com...
>>>> Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing
>>>> the flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it
>>>> delets all the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\
>>>>
>>>> Ciao
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore
>>> point???
>>> Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I
>>> backup my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of
>>> a Vista restore point and then restore the restore point if need be.
>>
>> This is not possible. The entire Vista partition would have to be
>> backed up with with imaging software.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://bertk.mvps.org
>> Member: http://dts-l.org
>
> Do you know why that is? Is the restore data spread out all over the place?


The restore data is stored in the System Volume Information folder.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

"Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
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>
>
> DanR wrote:
>>
>> "Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:euIA2%23J2HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>> DanR wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:C72C0E76-E9FF-47F3-A646-2CB24BD7FFE0@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to fixing
>>>>> the flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load xp it
>>>>> delets all the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore
>>>> point???
>>>> Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I
>>>> backup my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save of a
>>>> Vista restore point and then restore the restore point if need be.
>>>
>>> This is not possible. The entire Vista partition would have to be backed
>>> up with with imaging software.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
>>> http://bertk.mvps.org
>>> Member: http://dts-l.org
>>
>> Do you know why that is? Is the restore data spread out all over the
>> place?
>
>
> The restore data is stored in the System Volume Information folder.
>
> Regards,
> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://bertk.mvps.org
> Member: http://dts-l.org

Can't the restore data be copied to some place that is safe from XP. Then
when you boot back to Vista you create a dummy restore point and then use
the saved restore data to replace the dummy data. Is the
possible/impossible?

DanR wrote:
>
> "Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23%23CcNiP2HHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> DanR wrote:
>>>
>>> "Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:euIA2%23J2HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DanR wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cheddarhead" <cheddarhead@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C72C0E76-E9FF-47F3-A646-2CB24BD7FFE0@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Anyone have any idea when microsoft is going to get around to
>>>>>> fixing the flaw where if you dual boot xp and vista, once you load
>>>>>> xp it delets all the vista restoer points... very annoyinh...\\
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if there is a way to manually save a Vista restore
>>>>> point???
>>>>> Object would be to save the restore point before booting to XP. I
>>>>> backup my Vista fairly often but would be nice to do a quick save
>>>>> of a Vista restore point and then restore the restore point if need
>>>>> be.
>>>>
>>>> This is not possible. The entire Vista partition would have to be
>>>> backed up with with imaging software.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
>>>> http://bertk.mvps.org
>>>> Member: http://dts-l.org
>>>
>>> Do you know why that is? Is the restore data spread out all over the
>>> place?
>>
>>
>> The restore data is stored in the System Volume Information folder.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
>> http://bertk.mvps.org
>> Member: http://dts-l.org
>
> Can't the restore data be copied to some place that is safe from XP.
> Then when you boot back to Vista you create a dummy restore point and
> then use the saved restore data to replace the dummy data. Is the
> possible/impossible?

No, this is not possible.


Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org