Vista Tutorial - Explorer treeview +/-

Hmmm, have you noticed that the nav pane for a network shared drive/folder
maintains the arrows - they don't fade!

So, share your drive, access it through Network rather than through
Computer, and you'll see all the expand symbols.

Right, like that's really a suitable workaround.

Oh well, back the the drawing board.

Val


"Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:%23pIvjaq2HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
When the folders pane is displayed in Explorer under Vista the +/- icons are
only visible while the mouse is over that pane. If the mouse is moved to
the toolbar or the details pane or anywhere else all the visible cues as to
which folder has sub folders are lost. Is there any way to make those
remain visible at all times? Failing that, can anybody give any reason why
they'd want this information should be hidden most of the time?

"Val" <vmanes@NOSPAMrap.midco.net> wrote in message
news:fJWdnZZUwN2BDCPbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@midco.net...
> Hmmm, have you noticed that the nav pane for a network shared drive/folder
> maintains the arrows - they don't fade!


No difference for me; if the folder pane has focus then they don't disappear
(nothing fades on my system because one of the first things I do is find and
turn off all those pointless "effects") but if I click on the toolbar or the
details pane or anywhere else then the treeview icons are there only when
the mouse is over the treeview. It's incredibly annoying.

"Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:OcYZTdO3HHA.5116@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Val" <vmanes@NOSPAMrap.midco.net> wrote in message
> news:fJWdnZZUwN2BDCPbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@midco.net...
>> Hmmm, have you noticed that the nav pane for a network shared
>> drive/folder
>> maintains the arrows - they don't fade!
>
>
> No difference for me; if the folder pane has focus then they don't
> disappear (nothing fades on my system because one of the first things I do
> is find and turn off all those pointless "effects") but if I click on the
> toolbar or the details pane or anywhere else then the treeview icons are
> there only when the mouse is over the treeview. It's incredibly annoying.
>
>
First off hit your Alt key and then you can see the menus.

Next put your mouse pointer in the column header area and right click, go to
the bottom of the drop menu and select More. Check the list for what you
want you folders and columns to show.



--
Ian

With patience there is always a way.

Please Reply to Newsgroup so all can read.
Requests for assistance by email can not and will be deleted.

"Ian Betts" <ian.betts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:BABAEC58-0272-4095-8BF5-A2C584ABE2AC@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:OcYZTdO3HHA.5116@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "Val" <vmanes@NOSPAMrap.midco.net> wrote in message
>> news:fJWdnZZUwN2BDCPbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@midco.net...
>>> Hmmm, have you noticed that the nav pane for a network shared
>>> drive/folder
>>> maintains the arrows - they don't fade!
>>
>>
>> No difference for me; if the folder pane has focus then they don't
>> disappear (nothing fades on my system because one of the first things I
>> do is find and turn off all those pointless "effects") but if I click on
>> the toolbar or the details pane or anywhere else then the treeview icons
>> are there only when the mouse is over the treeview. It's incredibly
>> annoying.
>>
>>
> First off hit your Alt key and then you can see the menus.

Nobody's talking about menus and I've already set the options to always show
the menus and to always underline the accelerator keys.

> Next put your mouse pointer in the column header area and right click, go
> to the bottom of the drop menu and select More. Check the list for what
> you want you folders and columns to show.

I'm seeing all the columns I want to see... what I'm not seeing is the +/-
icons on the folder treeview when it doesn't have focus and the mouse is
over any other area of the screen.

"Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:#TQjZeP3HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Ian Betts" <ian.betts@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BABAEC58-0272-4095-8BF5-A2C584ABE2AC@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>> "Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>> news:OcYZTdO3HHA.5116@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> "Val" <vmanes@NOSPAMrap.midco.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fJWdnZZUwN2BDCPbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@midco.net...
>>>> Hmmm, have you noticed that the nav pane for a network shared
>>>> drive/folder
>>>> maintains the arrows - they don't fade!
>>>
>>>
>>> No difference for me; if the folder pane has focus then they don't
>>> disappear (nothing fades on my system because one of the first things I
>>> do is find and turn off all those pointless "effects") but if I click on
>>> the toolbar or the details pane or anywhere else then the treeview icons
>>> are there only when the mouse is over the treeview. It's incredibly
>>> annoying.
>>>
>>>
>> First off hit your Alt key and then you can see the menus.
>
> Nobody's talking about menus and I've already set the options to always
> show the menus and to always underline the accelerator keys.
>
>> Next put your mouse pointer in the column header area and right click, go
>> to the bottom of the drop menu and select More. Check the list for what
>> you want you folders and columns to show.
>
> I'm seeing all the columns I want to see... what I'm not seeing is the +/-
> icons on the folder treeview when it doesn't have focus and the mouse is
> over any other area of the screen.
>
>
>
They are not +/- , they are little > arrows, click one and see. Why did
you not just say that first instead of going on about effects???



--
Ian

With patience there is always a way.

Please Reply to Newsgroup so all can read.
Requests for assistance by email can not and will be deleted.

Hi Bob,

Here is a solution I found. It doesn't affect the +/-, but changes the icon of the open folder in the folder tree when it is open to make it easier to see which one is open. Well, at least it makes it easier for me (haha). Give it a try and see. If you don't like it, do the undo in step 7.

Open Folder Icon

Shawn

"Ian Betts" <ian.betts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:AA8FC779-F355-42F5-A243-C9AF670C6D26@microsoft.com...
> They are not +/- , they are little > arrows, click one and see.

Had you actually read the thread you'd see that I have set things up as
"windows classic" so they ARE +/- for me and the point is still the same
since even with the arrows they still disappear whenever you work in the
details pane.

> Why did you not just say that first instead of going on about effects???

I don't see that I was "going on about effects" anywhere. The problem is
quite simple: when you have the folder view displayed in Explorer in Vista
and you work in another area of the window the icons that indicate whether a
folder has subfolders or not are erased which eliminates valuable visual
information for no reason I can figure.

"brink" <brink.2v7pmi@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:brink.2v7pmi@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> Bob Butler;415206 Wrote:
>> When the folders pane is displayed in Explorer under Vista the +/- icons
>> are
>> only visible while the mouse is over that pane. If the mouse is moved
>> to
>> the toolbar or the details pane or anywhere else all the visible cues
>> as to
>> which folder has sub folders are lost. Is there any way to make those
>> remain visible at all times? Failing that, can anybody give any reason
>> why
>> they'd want this information should be hidden most of the time?
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Here is a solution I found. It doesn't affect the +/-, but changes the
> icon of the open folder in the folder tree when it is open to make it
> easier to see which one is open. Well, at least it makes it easier for
> me (haha). Give it a try and see. If you don't like it, do the undo in
> step 7.
>
> Open Folder Icon

Thanks, that's at least a small step in the right direction. It still
doesn't identify which other folders actually have subfolders that aren't
expanded in the tree yet but it does give an additional visual clue and that
pane needs all the help it can get.

Your welcome Bob.

I just wish I knew a way to stop the arrows from fading out. I looked at all the fade options in the Visual Effects Options, but no luck in there or in Folder Options.

Shawn

"Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:ebHyHMT3HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "brink" <brink.2v7pmi@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
> news:brink.2v7pmi@no-mx.forums.net...
>>
>> Bob Butler;415206 Wrote:
>>> When the folders pane is displayed in Explorer under Vista the +/- icons
>>> are
>>> only visible while the mouse is over that pane. If the mouse is moved
>>> to
>>> the toolbar or the details pane or anywhere else all the visible cues
>>> as to
>>> which folder has sub folders are lost. Is there any way to make those
>>> remain visible at all times? Failing that, can anybody give any reason
>>> why
>>> they'd want this information should be hidden most of the time?
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> Here is a solution I found. It doesn't affect the +/-, but changes the
>> icon of the open folder in the folder tree when it is open to make it
>> easier to see which one is open. Well, at least it makes it easier for
>> me (haha). Give it a try and see. If you don't like it, do the undo in
>> step 7.
>>
>> Open Folder Icon
>
> Thanks, that's at least a small step in the right direction. It still
> doesn't identify which other folders actually have subfolders that aren't
> expanded in the tree yet but it does give an additional visual clue and
> that pane needs all the help it can get.
>
>
>
OK one more try.

Vista has a different system

When I click on a folder or file, the tree is shown in the address box at
the top. I can easily see where I am.



--
Ian

With patience there is always a way.

Please Reply to Newsgroup so all can read.
Requests for assistance by email can not and will be deleted.