Vista - Vista Ultimate is slow

Your comments do not help or explain anything.


"Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
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> "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
> news:2B85DF7E-7C3B-43FB-9A99-A6BAB86E5E92@microsoft.com...
>>I just built a new system with Ultimate, dual core 2.4ghz 2GB mem
>> and a SATA hard drive. I have never timed it, but I am pleased with the
>> performance.
>> If your HD isn't a SATA then that could be part of the problem. Also
>> does the graphic card share the system memory? If so the amount can be
>> changed
>> depending on you graphic needs. What is your Windows Experience Index?
>> Mine is 5.3
>>
>> Richard
>
>
> He has a new computer. It should run well. Your comments do not help or
> explain anything. Many Dell and HP laptop configs are really awful for
> Vista. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED THAT OS and stuck with XP until
> battery life, RAM, drives etc work well for this bloated OS.
>
> I have liked MS products for 25 years...until now. And I have been
> patient. This OS as it stands does NOT fit the capabilities of moderate
> laptops and should never have been forced down manufacturer's throats.
> This DID NOT happen with XP or 2000.
>
> Who is braindead at Microsoft? Enquiring minds want to know! Is it time
> for a Max...I am getting really worried about that with the investment in
> my career that always was Microsoft!
>
>
> End of rant.
>
>

On Aug 19, 8:01 am, "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote:
> Your comments do not help or explain anything.
>
> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
>
> news:upV7Kle4HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
> >news:2B85DF7E-7C3B-43FB-9A99-A6BAB86E5E92@microsoft.com...
> >>I just built a new system with Ultimate, dual core 2.4ghz 2GB mem
> >> and a SATA hard drive. I have never timed it, but I am pleased with the
> >> performance.
> >> If your HD isn't a SATA then that could be part of the problem. Also
> >> does the graphic card share the system memory? If so the amount can be
> >> changed
> >> depending on you graphic needs. What is your Windows Experience Index?
> >> Mine is 5.3
>
> >> Richard
>
> > He has a new computer. It should run well. Your comments do not help or
> > explain anything. Many Dell and HP laptop configs are really awful for
> > Vista. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED THAT OS and stuck with XP until
> > battery life, RAM, drives etc work well for this bloated OS.
>
> > I have liked MS products for 25 years...until now. And I have been
> > patient. This OS as it stands does NOT fit the capabilities of moderate
> > laptops and should never have been forced down manufacturer's throats.
> > This DID NOT happen with XP or 2000.
>
> > Who is braindead at Microsoft? Enquiring minds want to know! Is it time
> > for a Max...I am getting really worried about that with the investment in
> > my career that always was Microsoft!
>
> > End of rant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ok, I uninstalled Norton Anti-virus. Then I restarted my system. It
took approximately 30 seconds to display the welcome center.

So I installed Avast Anti-virus. I restarted my system. Now, it takes
over 2 minutes to display the welcome center.

I see improvement without Norton Anti-virus installed. But 2 minutes
is still to slow.

Be sure to update ALL your drivers especially Video and Hard Disk drivers
and any utilities. Drivers are notorious for causing slow downs as you are
describing. What other programs are you loading after you login?

<rmgalante@galaware.com> wrote in message news:1187528826.757138.148080@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 19, 8:01 am, "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote:
>> Your comments do not help or explain anything.
>>
>> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
>>
>> news:upV7Kle4HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
>> >news:2B85DF7E-7C3B-43FB-9A99-A6BAB86E5E92@microsoft.com...
>> >>I just built a new system with Ultimate, dual core 2.4ghz 2GB mem
>> >> and a SATA hard drive. I have never timed it, but I am pleased with the
>> >> performance.
>> >> If your HD isn't a SATA then that could be part of the problem. Also
>> >> does the graphic card share the system memory? If so the amount can be
>> >> changed
>> >> depending on you graphic needs. What is your Windows Experience Index?
>> >> Mine is 5.3
>>
>> >> Richard
>>
>> > He has a new computer. It should run well. Your comments do not help or
>> > explain anything. Many Dell and HP laptop configs are really awful for
>> > Vista. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED THAT OS and stuck with XP until
>> > battery life, RAM, drives etc work well for this bloated OS.
>>
>> > I have liked MS products for 25 years...until now. And I have been
>> > patient. This OS as it stands does NOT fit the capabilities of moderate
>> > laptops and should never have been forced down manufacturer's throats.
>> > This DID NOT happen with XP or 2000.
>>
>> > Who is braindead at Microsoft? Enquiring minds want to know! Is it time
>> > for a Max...I am getting really worried about that with the investment in
>> > my career that always was Microsoft!
>>
>> > End of rant.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ok, I uninstalled Norton Anti-virus. Then I restarted my system. It
> took approximately 30 seconds to display the welcome center.
>
> So I installed Avast Anti-virus. I restarted my system. Now, it takes
> over 2 minutes to display the welcome center.
>
> I see improvement without Norton Anti-virus installed. But 2 minutes
> is still to slow.
>

Any decent antivirus will scan every single file called into use during the
boot process (or any time during the computer session. This is for your
protection. It is called real time scanning, and it "does" have a penalty.

Turn off this active scanning and you will be vulnerable to attacks. I would
rather turn on the computer and do something else while it is booting - and
be protected. I see no reason to sit there and count seconds.

As you have found out, some antivirus products hit the system harder than
others. Find the one you like and learn to live with it.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

<rmgalante@galaware.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 19, 8:01 am, "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote:
>> Your comments do not help or explain anything.
>>
>> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
>>
>> news:upV7Kle4HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
>> >news:2B85DF7E-7C3B-43FB-9A99-A6BAB86E5E92@microsoft.com...
>> >>I just built a new system with Ultimate, dual core 2.4ghz 2GB mem
>> >> and a SATA hard drive. I have never timed it, but I am pleased with
>> >> the
>> >> performance.
>> >> If your HD isn't a SATA then that could be part of the problem. Also
>> >> does the graphic card share the system memory? If so the amount can be
>> >> changed
>> >> depending on you graphic needs. What is your Windows Experience Index?
>> >> Mine is 5.3
>>
>> >> Richard
>>
>> > He has a new computer. It should run well. Your comments do not help
>> > or
>> > explain anything. Many Dell and HP laptop configs are really awful for
>> > Vista. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED THAT OS and stuck with XP until
>> > battery life, RAM, drives etc work well for this bloated OS.
>>
>> > I have liked MS products for 25 years...until now. And I have been
>> > patient. This OS as it stands does NOT fit the capabilities of moderate
>> > laptops and should never have been forced down manufacturer's throats.
>> > This DID NOT happen with XP or 2000.
>>
>> > Who is braindead at Microsoft? Enquiring minds want to know! Is it
>> > time
>> > for a Max...I am getting really worried about that with the investment
>> > in
>> > my career that always was Microsoft!
>>
>> > End of rant.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ok, I uninstalled Norton Anti-virus. Then I restarted my system. It
> took approximately 30 seconds to display the welcome center.
>
> So I installed Avast Anti-virus. I restarted my system. Now, it takes
> over 2 minutes to display the welcome center.
>
> I see improvement without Norton Anti-virus installed. But 2 minutes
> is still to slow.
>

why bother restarting all the time when you can now put your laptop to sleep
?


<rmgalante@galaware.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 19, 8:01 am, "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote:
>> Your comments do not help or explain anything.
>>
>> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
>>
>> news:upV7Kle4HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
>> >news:2B85DF7E-7C3B-43FB-9A99-A6BAB86E5E92@microsoft.com...
>> >>I just built a new system with Ultimate, dual core 2.4ghz 2GB mem
>> >> and a SATA hard drive. I have never timed it, but I am pleased with
>> >> the
>> >> performance.
>> >> If your HD isn't a SATA then that could be part of the problem. Also
>> >> does the graphic card share the system memory? If so the amount can be
>> >> changed
>> >> depending on you graphic needs. What is your Windows Experience Index?
>> >> Mine is 5.3
>>
>> >> Richard
>>
>> > He has a new computer. It should run well. Your comments do not help
>> > or
>> > explain anything. Many Dell and HP laptop configs are really awful for
>> > Vista. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED THAT OS and stuck with XP until
>> > battery life, RAM, drives etc work well for this bloated OS.
>>
>> > I have liked MS products for 25 years...until now. And I have been
>> > patient. This OS as it stands does NOT fit the capabilities of moderate
>> > laptops and should never have been forced down manufacturer's throats.
>> > This DID NOT happen with XP or 2000.
>>
>> > Who is braindead at Microsoft? Enquiring minds want to know! Is it
>> > time
>> > for a Max...I am getting really worried about that with the investment
>> > in
>> > my career that always was Microsoft!
>>
>> > End of rant.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Ok, I uninstalled Norton Anti-virus. Then I restarted my system. It
> took approximately 30 seconds to display the welcome center.
>
> So I installed Avast Anti-virus. I restarted my system. Now, it takes
> over 2 minutes to display the welcome center.
>
> I see improvement without Norton Anti-virus installed. But 2 minutes
> is still to slow.
>

On Aug 19, 9:26 am, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Any decent antivirus will scan every single file called into use during the
> boot process (or any time during the computer session. This is for your
> protection. It is called real time scanning, and it "does" have a penalty.
>
> Turn off this active scanning and you will be vulnerable to attacks. I would
> rather turn on the computer and do something else while it is booting - and
> be protected. I see no reason to sit there and count seconds.
>
> As you have found out, some antivirus products hit the system harder than
> others. Find the one you like and learn to live with it.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> <rmgala...@galaware.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187528826.757138.148080@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Aug 19, 8:01 am, "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote:
> >> Your comments do not help or explain anything.
>
> >> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
>
> >>news:upV7Kle4HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> >> > "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
> >> >news:2B85DF7E-7C3B-43FB-9A99-A6BAB86E5E92@microsoft.com...
> >> >>I just built a new system with Ultimate, dual core 2.4ghz 2GB mem
> >> >> and a SATA hard drive. I have never timed it, but I am pleased with
> >> >> the
> >> >> performance.
> >> >> If your HD isn't a SATA then that could be part of the problem. Also
> >> >> does the graphic card share the system memory? If so the amount can be
> >> >> changed
> >> >> depending on you graphic needs. What is your Windows Experience Index?
> >> >> Mine is 5.3
>
> >> >> Richard
>
> >> > He has a new computer. It should run well. Your comments do not help
> >> > or
> >> > explain anything. Many Dell and HP laptop configs are really awful for
> >> > Vista. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED THAT OS and stuck with XP until
> >> > battery life, RAM, drives etc work well for this bloated OS.
>
> >> > I have liked MS products for 25 years...until now. And I have been
> >> > patient. This OS as it stands does NOT fit the capabilities of moderate
> >> > laptops and should never have been forced down manufacturer's throats.
> >> > This DID NOT happen with XP or 2000.
>
> >> > Who is braindead at Microsoft? Enquiring minds want to know! Is it
> >> > time
> >> > for a Max...I am getting really worried about that with the investment
> >> > in
> >> > my career that always was Microsoft!
>
> >> > End of rant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Ok, I uninstalled Norton Anti-virus. Then I restarted my system. It
> > took approximately 30 seconds to display the welcome center.
>
> > So I installed Avast Anti-virus. I restarted my system. Now, it takes
> > over 2 minutes to display the welcome center.
>
> > I see improvement without Norton Anti-virus installed. But 2 minutes
> > is still to slow.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Keith. Thanks for your response. I wish I could just live with it.
But something is not right and I want to figure it out so that we all
have better systems and system experiences. I have the time today, so
why not?

Here is an interesting tidbit of information. Even without anti-virus
software, it occasionally takes 2 minutes to login. So I looked at my
router. Sure enough, it was babbling.

So I turned off my router and restarted my system. Now, login takes 30
seconds or less every time. So I wonder what is going on with my 64-
bit system and the network every time I login? I wonder what software
is accessing the router every time I login. This information provides
me with a different angle of attack.

On Aug 19, 8:07 am, rmgala...@galaware.com wrote:
> On Aug 19, 8:01 am, "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Your comments do not help or explain anything.
>
> > "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
>
> >news:upV7Kle4HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> > > "Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
> > >news:2B85DF7E-7C3B-43FB-9A99-A6BAB86E5E92@microsoft.com...
> > >>I just built a new system with Ultimate, dual core 2.4ghz 2GB mem
> > >> and a SATA hard drive. I have never timed it, but I am pleased with the
> > >> performance.
> > >> If your HD isn't a SATA then that could be part of the problem. Also
> > >> does the graphic card share the system memory? If so the amount can be
> > >> changed
> > >> depending on you graphic needs. What is your Windows Experience Index?
> > >> Mine is 5.3
>
> > >> Richard
>
> > > He has a new computer. It should run well. Your comments do not help or
> > > explain anything. Many Dell and HP laptop configs are really awful for
> > > Vista. THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE USED THAT OS and stuck with XP until
> > > battery life, RAM, drives etc work well for this bloated OS.
>
> > > I have liked MS products for 25 years...until now. And I have been
> > > patient. This OS as it stands does NOT fit the capabilities of moderate
> > > laptops and should never have been forced down manufacturer's throats.
> > > This DID NOT happen with XP or 2000.
>
> > > Who is braindead at Microsoft? Enquiring minds want to know! Is it time
> > > for a Max...I am getting really worried about that with the investment in
> > > my career that always was Microsoft!
>
> > > End of rant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Ok, I uninstalled Norton Anti-virus. Then I restarted my system. It
> took approximately 30 seconds to display the welcome center.
>
> So I installed Avast Anti-virus. I restarted my system. Now, it takes
> over 2 minutes to display the welcome center.
>
> I see improvement without Norton Anti-virus installed. But 2 minutes
> is still to slow.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Vista seems to be very sensitive to start-up programs which are deeply
integrated into the OS for some reason. Especially anti virus/malware
programs makes boot take "forever". We have been testing a lot of
these programs to find a couple that works well. Actually the one that
affects boot time least is Webroot SpySweeper with AntiVirus. With
this one the desktop comes quickly even if Spysweeper itself takes a
while to get ready.

My laptop came with Norton which I removed immediately since it's such
a sluggish solution.

//ceed

"Kosmo" <kdsusa@tampabaydotrrdotcom> wrote in message
news:E3DE8E37-0ACA-417B-A3AA-F369FDB298F7@microsoft.com...
> Your comments do not help or explain anything.

Brain dead yourself I see.

Remove all the unnecessary "crap" software that came with your computer.
Disable all unnecessary "startup" programs. For example, WMP does not need to
run at startup. Adobe Reader does not need to run at startup, as well as
Java. Your printer software does not need to run at startup.These programs
will start automatically when you perform an action that needs them.

How many applications are putting entries in the "quick launch" area of your
taskbar? Is your AV software set to scan certain files before launching? Is
your AV software or another program scanning memory before loading?

Yes, Norton is a big part of the problem. You will have to go into the
registry and manually delete many of the entries, even after running the
Norton "Removal" tool. You will also have to go into "services.msc" and
delete the Symantec entry there.

Your problem is not a Vista related problem. It is caused by too many
startup programs, NAV and, in my opinion, possibly incompatible software.
Just because the software came preloaded with your computer does not mean it
is compatible.

Last, but not least, HP computers seem to have more than their share of
problems with Vista. This leads me to believe that part of your problem is
the computer hardware you purchased.

Have a nice day.

C.B.

"rmgalante@galaware.com" wrote:

> I have a brand new notebook with a dual core 2.2GHz processor, 2G of
> memory and a 160G hard drive. It's an HP Pavillion. I turn it on. It
> takes 45 seconds to display the login prompt. I login. It takes 2 to 3
> minutes to display the windows welcome center.
>
> I look at the system configuration and I have dozens of services and
> startup programs running. I tried to remove all the Norton Anti-virus
> services and programs. But it still takes 2 minutes to display the
> windows welcome center. But that means it was taking 60 seconds to
> load the Norton Anti-virus stuff.
>
> Also, the system is loading 970M of programs and data into memory.
> That is alot of stuff.
>
> So far my impression of this operating system is that it is too slow.
> My XP Pro system is far faster and it only has 1G of memory and a
> single processor.
>
> Also, my daughter just bought an Acer 5100 5674 system at Circuit
> City. It only has 1G of memory and a 1.6G dual core processor. It is
> running Vista Home Premium. It takes about 30 seconds to display the
> login prompt and 1.25 minutes to display the windows welcome center.
> It is not running Norton Anti-virus.
>
> So I spend all this money on serious hardware, and I am let down by
> the experience.
>
>

I agree with the comments about tweaking your machine.

First, get rid of all the crapware. Do a msconfig and disable the programs
that you know are unnceccessary in the StartUp. I did this to my machine and
I got instant results for a faster start up.
Second, get rid of Norton. I'm using Trend Micro which is less intrusive
that Norton.

The worst part of buying a new computer is getting rid of all the crapware
that the manufacturers load on it in order to try to sell you more crapware.
Get rid of all unnecessary crapware. Buy a Clean Disk program if you have to.

Good luck...

oscar

"Peter Foldes" wrote:

> Remove Norton. It is extremely very hard to remove it completely. Read the links below and follow the removal process.
>
>
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm
>
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05033108162039
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> <rmgalante@galaware.com> wrote in message news:1187475409.939519.270610@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >I have a brand new notebook with a dual core 2.2GHz processor, 2G of
> > memory and a 160G hard drive. It's an HP Pavillion. I turn it on. It
> > takes 45 seconds to display the login prompt. I login. It takes 2 to 3
> > minutes to display the windows welcome center.
> >
> > I look at the system configuration and I have dozens of services and
> > startup programs running. I tried to remove all the Norton Anti-virus
> > services and programs. But it still takes 2 minutes to display the
> > windows welcome center. But that means it was taking 60 seconds to
> > load the Norton Anti-virus stuff.
> >
> > Also, the system is loading 970M of programs and data into memory.
> > That is alot of stuff.
> >
> > So far my impression of this operating system is that it is too slow.
> > My XP Pro system is far faster and it only has 1G of memory and a
> > single processor.
> >
> > Also, my daughter just bought an Acer 5100 5674 system at Circuit
> > City. It only has 1G of memory and a 1.6G dual core processor. It is
> > running Vista Home Premium. It takes about 30 seconds to display the
> > login prompt and 1.25 minutes to display the windows welcome center.
> > It is not running Norton Anti-virus.
> >
> > So I spend all this money on serious hardware, and I am let down by
> > the experience.
> >
>