Vista - Coming out of the closet: I love Vista!

09-02-2007

On Sep 1, 8:27 am, <h...@xxxxxx> wrote:

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> "ceed" confessed...
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> > Hi,

>

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> > As an Internet and computer geezer I am not easily impressed. It seems
> > like two things I should be concerned about these days, according to
> > all the bloggers and press, is to love the iPhone and hate Vista. I
> > tried to do both. It didn't work. I like the iPhone, but I do not love
> > it. I do not hate Vista, in fact I do not even like it. I love Vista!
> > Ooooh, felt good to finally say that!

>

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> > In my opinion this is the best Microsoft has ever done. On my new HP
> > dv2550se laptop (another device I'm currently in love with) Vista runs
> > like a charm. After I got rid of all the stuff HP put on there, and
> > then all the stuff Microsoft has cluttered Vista with I am left with a
> > rock solid beautifully looking (without being an Apple rip) user
> > interface. The only problems I have had has been with a couple of
> > drivers that didn't like Vista. I got those replaced and everything
> > was fine again.

>

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> > For me Vista simply works great. Even the error detection when I had
> > those pesky driver issues worked. Vista told me what was wrong and
> > where to go to get it fixed. How cool is that? And this time it isn't
> > Microsoft telling me how it should work. It actually works for real!

>

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> > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am in
> > a situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop with
> > Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point. That's a
> > first for me!

>

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> > And don't even get me started on Office 2007. Also an innovative good
> > looking office package that seems to work beautifully. Expensive
> > though! Very expensive. Going to create a lot of thieves.

>

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> > If you could look me up and see where and what I have posted about
> > operating systems in the past you would be shocked over what I am
> > saying here. This is a big deal for me: I love an OS for Microsoft!

>

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> > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against something
> > that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all those who
> > just enjoys trashing things without even trying it? I do not get it.
> > But who cares. I love my new OS and are currently busy tweaking the
> > little details which makes it all mine, and Vista hums along nicely in
> > that process also.

>

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> > //ceed-o-rama

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> Ignoring the knot heads that just need to whine to get attention, I think
> most of the problems are either older hardware with driver issues,
> incompatible third party software, or PEBKAC.
>
> BTW, what "stuff Microsoft has cluttered Vista with" did you remove? My PC
> runs very nice but there is always room for improvement. ;-)- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

I've removed UAC and disabled some services I do not need. I have alse
disable Defender since I have protection which has served me will in
the past and do not want more running than I need.

I have used XdN tweaker which gives easy access to disabeling and
change some stuff in Vista.

//ceed

09-02-2007

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:32:40 -0700, Kerry Brown wrote:

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> While I can't say I love any OS, or any software for that matter, I
> agree with most of your post. To answer your question - It is very
> fashionable to bash Microsoft and Vista. The way the Internet works
> whatever is popular soon becomes accepted as "fact". This is a problem
> with society in general and not limited to Vista bashing. Currently a
> lot of revenue is created by web advertising. A web site that gets
> around 10,000 visitors a month can make about $100.00 a month from ads
> just by adding a couple of lines of code. This means there are many
> people trying to get rated high in search engines. To do this they write
> about popular/controversial topics. If you do a search for "Vista has
> problems" strangely enough all the top rated sites in the search do a
> lot of advertising. Some of the articles aren't even really about
> problems in Vista but the page is optimized so it is rated high with
> those search terms. It doesn't matter what the links on the first page
> of search results are about people will click on them and read them.
> It's human nature to believe something you read. As more people read and
> repeat something it becomes "fact". They may write about it in their
> blogs, or post it on newsgroups or forums. It is self perpetuating.
> Internet "facts" may not even be close to the truth. It is the very old
> game of lining up several people, whispering something to the first
> person in the line, then having each person repeat this to the next
> person, and comparing what the last person heard with what you told the
> first person. They are rarely the same. The Internet amplifies this to
> the nth degree.
>

This is a good example of the elaborate self-deception people practice so
they don't have to revise their opinions about a given subject.

Charlie

09-02-2007

On Sep 1, 3:42 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx>
wrote:

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> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:59:37 -0700, ceed wrote:
>

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> > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am in a
> > situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop with
> > Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point. That's a
> > first for me!

>
> This is an interesting comment that suggests a couple of questions...
> First, why did you feel a need to dual-boot when you were running other
> versions of Windows, and what specific Vista capabilities or features
> have changed the equation?
>
>
>

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> > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against something
> > that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all those who
> > just enjoys trashing things without even trying it?

>
> Well, I don't "trust the press" as a matter of principle, but when I read
> numerous reviews and articles that line up on key points, I tend to
> assume that not everyone is lying. The main complaints people have with
> Vista include incompatibity with software and hardware, slow file copying/
> moving on some systems, strange and unpredictable changes in software
> settings, and problems with the WGA license server.
>
> All of these are issues that Microsoft will undoubtedly fix at some
> point. The consensus is not so much that Vista is hopelessly bad, but
> that it presents a lot of annoyances without offering any substantial
> benefits that justify switching to a new OS.
>
> Obviously, you disagree with this, so what exactly are the benefits in
> your mind? You mention the interface and the fact that a web script
> actually worked for once by pointing you toward the proper driver.
> That's doesn't seem like much, frankly. And you say that Vista is "rock
> solid," but this statement is undermined by your comments in another
> thread, where you talk about how Vista blue-screened on a flaky driver.
> In my experience, a system that blue screens is locked up and can only be
> recovered with a hard power-off. If Vista is prone to doing that under
> any circumstances that could be considered ordinary, then it is not "rock
> solid."
>
> Charlie

Firstly, a flaky driver is a flaky driver and I refuse to dismiss the
OS based on that. Secondly. my post was my subjective opinion. I
simply think Vista has a rock solid feel to it. I like the way it
works, and I get my work done without major problems.

Finally, don't take the use of the word "love" in this context for
more than it is. For once I am pleased with and OS from Microsoft and
the hardware it runs on. Since I depend heavily on computers in my
work that's worth a little love, don't you think?

//ceed

09-02-2007

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:34 -0700, ceed wrote:

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> On Sep 1, 3:42 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx>
> wrote:

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>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:59:37 -0700, ceed wrote:
>>

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>> > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am
>> > in a situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop
>> > with Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point.
>> > That's a first for me!

>>
>> This is an interesting comment that suggests a couple of questions...
>> First, why did you feel a need to dual-boot when you were running other
>> versions of Windows, and what specific Vista capabilities or features
>> have changed the equation?
>>
>>
>>

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>> > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against
>> > something that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all
>> > those who just enjoys trashing things without even trying it?

>>
>> Well, I don't "trust the press" as a matter of principle, but when I
>> read numerous reviews and articles that line up on key points, I tend
>> to assume that not everyone is lying. The main complaints people have
>> with Vista include incompatibity with software and hardware, slow file
>> copying/ moving on some systems, strange and unpredictable changes in
>> software settings, and problems with the WGA license server.
>>
>> All of these are issues that Microsoft will undoubtedly fix at some
>> point. The consensus is not so much that Vista is hopelessly bad, but
>> that it presents a lot of annoyances without offering any substantial
>> benefits that justify switching to a new OS.
>>
>> Obviously, you disagree with this, so what exactly are the benefits in
>> your mind? You mention the interface and the fact that a web script
>> actually worked for once by pointing you toward the proper driver.
>> That's doesn't seem like much, frankly. And you say that Vista is
>> "rock solid," but this statement is undermined by your comments in
>> another thread, where you talk about how Vista blue-screened on a flaky
>> driver. In my experience, a system that blue screens is locked up and
>> can only be recovered with a hard power-off. If Vista is prone to
>> doing that under any circumstances that could be considered ordinary,
>> then it is not "rock solid."
>>
>> Charlie

>
> Firstly, a flaky driver is a flaky driver and I refuse to dismiss the OS
> based on that. Secondly. my post was my subjective opinion. I simply
> think Vista has a rock solid feel to it. I like the way it works, and I
> get my work done without major problems.

Thanks for your honesty. I think you have answered your own question as
far as why people are unhappy with Vista. A rock-solid feel is, as you
say, subjective, but a blue screen is an objective fact.

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>
> Finally, don't take the use of the word "love" in this context for more
> than it is. For once I am pleased with and OS from Microsoft and the
> hardware it runs on. Since I depend heavily on computers in my work
> that's worth a little love, don't you think?

Of course. You're entitled to whatever preferences you wish.

Charlie

09-03-2007

On Sep 2, 7:12 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx>
wrote:

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> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:34 -0700, ceed wrote:

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> > On Sep 1, 3:42 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx>
> > wrote:

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> >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:59:37 -0700, ceed wrote:

>

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> >> > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am
> >> > in a situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop
> >> > with Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point.
> >> > That's a first for me!

>

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> >> This is an interesting comment that suggests a couple of questions...
> >> First, why did you feel a need to dual-boot when you were running other
> >> versions of Windows, and what specific Vista capabilities or features
> >> have changed the equation?

>

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> >> > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against
> >> > something that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all
> >> > those who just enjoys trashing things without even trying it?

>

Quote:

> >> Well, I don't "trust the press" as a matter of principle, but when I
> >> read numerous reviews and articles that line up on key points, I tend
> >> to assume that not everyone is lying. The main complaints people have
> >> with Vista include incompatibity with software and hardware, slow file
> >> copying/ moving on some systems, strange and unpredictable changes in
> >> software settings, and problems with the WGA license server.

>

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> >> All of these are issues that Microsoft will undoubtedly fix at some
> >> point. The consensus is not so much that Vista is hopelessly bad, but
> >> that it presents a lot of annoyances without offering any substantial
> >> benefits that justify switching to a new OS.

>

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> >> Obviously, you disagree with this, so what exactly are the benefits in
> >> your mind? You mention the interface and the fact that a web script
> >> actually worked for once by pointing you toward the proper driver.
> >> That's doesn't seem like much, frankly. And you say that Vista is
> >> "rock solid," but this statement is undermined by your comments in
> >> another thread, where you talk about how Vista blue-screened on a flaky
> >> driver. In my experience, a system that blue screens is locked up and
> >> can only be recovered with a hard power-off. If Vista is prone to
> >> doing that under any circumstances that could be considered ordinary,
> >> then it is not "rock solid."

>

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> >> Charlie

>

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> > Firstly, a flaky driver is a flaky driver and I refuse to dismiss the OS
> > based on that. Secondly. my post was my subjective opinion. I simply
> > think Vista has a rock solid feel to it. I like the way it works, and I
> > get my work done without major problems.

>
> Thanks for your honesty. I think you have answered your own question as
> far as why people are unhappy with Vista. A rock-solid feel is, as you
> say, subjective, but a blue screen is an objective fact.
>
>
>

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> > Finally, don't take the use of the word "love" in this context for more
> > than it is. For once I am pleased with and OS from Microsoft and the
> > hardware it runs on. Since I depend heavily on computers in my work
> > that's worth a little love, don't you think?

>
> Of course. You're entitled to whatever preferences you wish.
>
> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

A rock solid feel may be subjective, but real enough for the ones
experiencing it. Every time we've seen a new OS version from Microsoft
some of the core features of the OS like memory management, file
system and disk access have been improved. I do not think anyone with
argue that NTFS and 32 bit technologies were bad moves on Microsofts
part. We are now waiting for another important new core "feature"
coming in Microsoft products: WinFS. Many thought we would see it in
Vista, but it was not ready for prime time. These are the parts of the
OS that counts for me. The layers above like security, file management
and UI are things I can deal with myself if Microsoft (or some other
OS vendor) aren't doing it the way I want. However, the core OS I
can't change, making it what I really care about. And again, I think
Vista is a step in the right direction in these, in my opinion, key
areas.

There's a lot to love if you can get passed the exterior and
incompatibilites early adopters of Vista are experiencing..

//ceed

09-03-2007

ceed wrote:

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>>features?

>
>
> Stuff like Defender and UAC are not key features of an OS. Microsoft
> marketing may have you think it is, but that doesn't make it so.

Oh, adam has no idea what he's talking about. Pay no attention to that
idiot.

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> Things like that are supplemental. Key features are memory management,
> disk access and kernel related stuff. I'm quite happy with Vista in
> those, for me, key areas.

Yep!

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>
> Why do I have the feeling some people here almost feel its offensive
> that I like Vista?

Well, because in adam's case, he can't get his one tiny little upgraded
install of Vista business to run correctly. He hate MS and blames his
miserable life on them. But who cares, we all he's just a fukkin loser.

Becuase they have alot of problems themselves and

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> want to have it confirmed that it's Microsoft's fault?

Yeah, that's what the real losers always do. They're to stupid to fix
the problems themselves so they whine and cry like little as*holes and
blame MS.

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>
> For me an OS is a utility, something that enables me to do my work and
> store my data. As long as it works and I get the job done I'm happy
> and "in love". The sad thing is that operating systems quite often
> demands so much attention themselves that they make getting the job
> done hard. That has not been the case with Vista in my case.

Nor in mine and most others Vista users.
Frank

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>
> //ceed
>
>

09-03-2007

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:30:09 -0700, ceed wrote:

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>
> I'm with you and franky mildfly surprised that Vista works for me as
> well as it does. I've been using Linux for years and think it's quite
> good if you spend some time making it work. For instance the Fluxbox
> window manager is probably the best dekstop UI I have ever used. The

It runs on very lean hardware resources, too.

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> whole concpt of grouping windows is so simple and efficient that I can't
> beleive it hasn't been picked up by the big ones. There's a couple of
> Blackbox clones available for Windows, but they do not have the window
> grouping functionality of Fluxbox. Texstar, the guy behind PcLinuxOs is
> working on a disto based on Fluxbox. When that's out of beta I'm going
> to be all over it. In another post I've been called a Microsoft fanboy.
> That's not true at all. I like it when things work so I can get my work
> done. This time it's Vista working for me, and I'm happy about that
> regardless of what's politically correct these days..

Well, that's what matters most. I have explained my resistance, i.e.,
unwanted cost/complexity without any obvious payoff... and you have
explained that you find the feel and layout of the OS to be an adequate
payoff. So we each have our own preference. But what about being
tethered to a license server and allowing Microsoft to have ultimate
control over software updates? Doesn't that bother you?

Charlie

09-04-2007

On Sep 3, 7:47 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Quote:

>
> Well, that's what matters most. I have explained my resistance, i.e.,
> unwanted cost/complexity without any obvious payoff... and you have
> explained that you find the feel and layout of the OS to be an adequate
> payoff. So we each have our own preference. But what about being
> tethered to a license server and allowing Microsoft to have ultimate
> control over software updates? Doesn't that bother you?
>
> Charlie

Having MS looking over my shoulder bothers me a lot. Don't even get me
started on that!

I will use Linux as much as I can, but my work
forces me to have some sort of relationship with Windows. And I have
to admit that I am quite pleased with Vista as an OS in spite of the
offensive nature of MS's licensing methods.

//ceed

10-03-2007

ceed wrote:

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> On Sep 3, 7:47 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx>
> wrote:

Quote:

>> Well, that's what matters most. I have explained my resistance, i.e.,
>> unwanted cost/complexity without any obvious payoff... and you have
>> explained that you find the feel and layout of the OS to be an adequate
>> payoff. So we each have our own preference. But what about being
>> tethered to a license server and allowing Microsoft to have ultimate
>> control over software updates? Doesn't that bother you?
>>
>> Charlie

>
> Having MS looking over my shoulder bothers me a lot. Don't even get me
> started on that!

I will use Linux as much as I can, but my work
> forces me to have some sort of relationship with Windows. And I have
> to admit that I am quite pleased with Vista as an OS in spite of the
> offensive nature of MS's licensing methods.
>
> //ceed
>
>

I hear ya. I support Windows for a living and after a week of fighting
with Vista, I bought a Mac.

10-04-2007

Titus Pullo wrote:

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>>
>> I hear ya. I support Windows for a living and after a week of
>> fighting with Vista, I bought a Mac.

>
> Thats funny. After years with the Mac, I bought a ThinkPad with Vista
> Business and I'm loving it. I have had zero problems with Vista.

I hear ya. In the end after I spend all day fighting with Vista and UAC,
and Activation, it just nice to be able to turn my comptuer on and
just browse the web and not message with Updates, Antivirus,
Anti-malware, Personal Firewalls, etc.

09-02-2007	#11 (permalink)
ceed n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! On Sep 1, 8:27 am, <h...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > "ceed" confessed... > > > > > Quote: > > Hi, > Quote: > > As an Internet and computer geezer I am not easily impressed. It seems > > like two things I should be concerned about these days, according to > > all the bloggers and press, is to love the iPhone and hate Vista. I > > tried to do both. It didn't work. I like the iPhone, but I do not love > > it. I do not hate Vista, in fact I do not even like it. I love Vista! > > Ooooh, felt good to finally say that! > Quote: > > In my opinion this is the best Microsoft has ever done. On my new HP > > dv2550se laptop (another device I'm currently in love with) Vista runs > > like a charm. After I got rid of all the stuff HP put on there, and > > then all the stuff Microsoft has cluttered Vista with I am left with a > > rock solid beautifully looking (without being an Apple rip) user > > interface. The only problems I have had has been with a couple of > > drivers that didn't like Vista. I got those replaced and everything > > was fine again. > Quote: > > For me Vista simply works great. Even the error detection when I had > > those pesky driver issues worked. Vista told me what was wrong and > > where to go to get it fixed. How cool is that? And this time it isn't > > Microsoft telling me how it should work. It actually works for real! > Quote: > > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am in > > a situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop with > > Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point. That's a > > first for me! > Quote: > > And don't even get me started on Office 2007. Also an innovative good > > looking office package that seems to work beautifully. Expensive > > though! Very expensive. Going to create a lot of thieves. > Quote: > > If you could look me up and see where and what I have posted about > > operating systems in the past you would be shocked over what I am > > saying here. This is a big deal for me: I love an OS for Microsoft! > Quote: > > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against something > > that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all those who > > just enjoys trashing things without even trying it? I do not get it. > > But who cares. I love my new OS and are currently busy tweaking the > > little details which makes it all mine, and Vista hums along nicely in > > that process also. > Quote: > > //ceed-o-rama > > Ignoring the knot heads that just need to whine to get attention, I think > most of the problems are either older hardware with driver issues, > incompatible third party software, or PEBKAC. > > BTW, what "stuff Microsoft has cluttered Vista with" did you remove? My PC > runs very nice but there is always room for improvement. ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I've removed UAC and disabled some services I do not need. I have alse disable Defender since I have protection which has served me will in the past and do not want more running than I need. I have used XdN tweaker which gives easy access to disabeling and change some stuff in Vista. //ceed
My System Specs

09-02-2007	#12 (permalink)
Charlie Wilkes n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:32:40 -0700, Kerry Brown wrote: Quote: > While I can't say I love any OS, or any software for that matter, I > agree with most of your post. To answer your question - It is very > fashionable to bash Microsoft and Vista. The way the Internet works > whatever is popular soon becomes accepted as "fact". This is a problem > with society in general and not limited to Vista bashing. Currently a > lot of revenue is created by web advertising. A web site that gets > around 10,000 visitors a month can make about $100.00 a month from ads > just by adding a couple of lines of code. This means there are many > people trying to get rated high in search engines. To do this they write > about popular/controversial topics. If you do a search for "Vista has > problems" strangely enough all the top rated sites in the search do a > lot of advertising. Some of the articles aren't even really about > problems in Vista but the page is optimized so it is rated high with > those search terms. It doesn't matter what the links on the first page > of search results are about people will click on them and read them. > It's human nature to believe something you read. As more people read and > repeat something it becomes "fact". They may write about it in their > blogs, or post it on newsgroups or forums. It is self perpetuating. > Internet "facts" may not even be close to the truth. It is the very old > game of lining up several people, whispering something to the first > person in the line, then having each person repeat this to the next > person, and comparing what the last person heard with what you told the > first person. They are rarely the same. The Internet amplifies this to > the nth degree. > This is a good example of the elaborate self-deception people practice so they don't have to revise their opinions about a given subject. Charlie
My System Specs

09-02-2007	#13 (permalink)
ceed n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! On Sep 1, 3:42 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:59:37 -0700, ceed wrote: > Quote: > > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am in a > > situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop with > > Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point. That's a > > first for me! > > This is an interesting comment that suggests a couple of questions... > First, why did you feel a need to dual-boot when you were running other > versions of Windows, and what specific Vista capabilities or features > have changed the equation? > > > Quote: > > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against something > > that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all those who > > just enjoys trashing things without even trying it? > > Well, I don't "trust the press" as a matter of principle, but when I read > numerous reviews and articles that line up on key points, I tend to > assume that not everyone is lying. The main complaints people have with > Vista include incompatibity with software and hardware, slow file copying/ > moving on some systems, strange and unpredictable changes in software > settings, and problems with the WGA license server. > > All of these are issues that Microsoft will undoubtedly fix at some > point. The consensus is not so much that Vista is hopelessly bad, but > that it presents a lot of annoyances without offering any substantial > benefits that justify switching to a new OS. > > Obviously, you disagree with this, so what exactly are the benefits in > your mind? You mention the interface and the fact that a web script > actually worked for once by pointing you toward the proper driver. > That's doesn't seem like much, frankly. And you say that Vista is "rock > solid," but this statement is undermined by your comments in another > thread, where you talk about how Vista blue-screened on a flaky driver. > In my experience, a system that blue screens is locked up and can only be > recovered with a hard power-off. If Vista is prone to doing that under > any circumstances that could be considered ordinary, then it is not "rock > solid." > > Charlie Firstly, a flaky driver is a flaky driver and I refuse to dismiss the OS based on that. Secondly. my post was my subjective opinion. I simply think Vista has a rock solid feel to it. I like the way it works, and I get my work done without major problems. Finally, don't take the use of the word "love" in this context for more than it is. For once I am pleased with and OS from Microsoft and the hardware it runs on. Since I depend heavily on computers in my work that's worth a little love, don't you think? //ceed
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09-02-2007	#14 (permalink)
Charlie Wilkes n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:34 -0700, ceed wrote: Quote: > On Sep 1, 3:42 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx> > wrote: Quote: >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:59:37 -0700, ceed wrote: >> Quote: >> > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am >> > in a situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop >> > with Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point. >> > That's a first for me! >> >> This is an interesting comment that suggests a couple of questions... >> First, why did you feel a need to dual-boot when you were running other >> versions of Windows, and what specific Vista capabilities or features >> have changed the equation? >> >> >> Quote: >> > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against >> > something that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all >> > those who just enjoys trashing things without even trying it? >> >> Well, I don't "trust the press" as a matter of principle, but when I >> read numerous reviews and articles that line up on key points, I tend >> to assume that not everyone is lying. The main complaints people have >> with Vista include incompatibity with software and hardware, slow file >> copying/ moving on some systems, strange and unpredictable changes in >> software settings, and problems with the WGA license server. >> >> All of these are issues that Microsoft will undoubtedly fix at some >> point. The consensus is not so much that Vista is hopelessly bad, but >> that it presents a lot of annoyances without offering any substantial >> benefits that justify switching to a new OS. >> >> Obviously, you disagree with this, so what exactly are the benefits in >> your mind? You mention the interface and the fact that a web script >> actually worked for once by pointing you toward the proper driver. >> That's doesn't seem like much, frankly. And you say that Vista is >> "rock solid," but this statement is undermined by your comments in >> another thread, where you talk about how Vista blue-screened on a flaky >> driver. In my experience, a system that blue screens is locked up and >> can only be recovered with a hard power-off. If Vista is prone to >> doing that under any circumstances that could be considered ordinary, >> then it is not "rock solid." >> >> Charlie > > Firstly, a flaky driver is a flaky driver and I refuse to dismiss the OS > based on that. Secondly. my post was my subjective opinion. I simply > think Vista has a rock solid feel to it. I like the way it works, and I > get my work done without major problems. Thanks for your honesty. I think you have answered your own question as far as why people are unhappy with Vista. A rock-solid feel is, as you say, subjective, but a blue screen is an objective fact. Quote: > > Finally, don't take the use of the word "love" in this context for more > than it is. For once I am pleased with and OS from Microsoft and the > hardware it runs on. Since I depend heavily on computers in my work > that's worth a little love, don't you think? Of course. You're entitled to whatever preferences you wish. Charlie
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09-03-2007	#15 (permalink)
ceed n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! On Sep 2, 7:12 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:34 -0700, ceed wrote: Quote: > > On Sep 1, 3:42 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx> > > wrote: Quote: > >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:59:37 -0700, ceed wrote: > Quote: Quote: > >> > I have been on Windows (and other OS's) since the 80s. Finally I am > >> > in a situation where I do not feel the need to dual-boot my laptop > >> > with Linux, QNX, OS/2 etc. I simply do not need it at this point. > >> > That's a first for me! > Quote: Quote: > >> This is an interesting comment that suggests a couple of questions... > >> First, why did you feel a need to dual-boot when you were running other > >> versions of Windows, and what specific Vista capabilities or features > >> have changed the equation? > Quote: Quote: > >> > My only question is: Why are everyone having so much against > >> > something that seems to be very good? Do they trust the press and all > >> > those who just enjoys trashing things without even trying it? > Quote: Quote: > >> Well, I don't "trust the press" as a matter of principle, but when I > >> read numerous reviews and articles that line up on key points, I tend > >> to assume that not everyone is lying. The main complaints people have > >> with Vista include incompatibity with software and hardware, slow file > >> copying/ moving on some systems, strange and unpredictable changes in > >> software settings, and problems with the WGA license server. > Quote: Quote: > >> All of these are issues that Microsoft will undoubtedly fix at some > >> point. The consensus is not so much that Vista is hopelessly bad, but > >> that it presents a lot of annoyances without offering any substantial > >> benefits that justify switching to a new OS. > Quote: Quote: > >> Obviously, you disagree with this, so what exactly are the benefits in > >> your mind? You mention the interface and the fact that a web script > >> actually worked for once by pointing you toward the proper driver. > >> That's doesn't seem like much, frankly. And you say that Vista is > >> "rock solid," but this statement is undermined by your comments in > >> another thread, where you talk about how Vista blue-screened on a flaky > >> driver. In my experience, a system that blue screens is locked up and > >> can only be recovered with a hard power-off. If Vista is prone to > >> doing that under any circumstances that could be considered ordinary, > >> then it is not "rock solid." > Quote: Quote: > >> Charlie > Quote: > > Firstly, a flaky driver is a flaky driver and I refuse to dismiss the OS > > based on that. Secondly. my post was my subjective opinion. I simply > > think Vista has a rock solid feel to it. I like the way it works, and I > > get my work done without major problems. > > Thanks for your honesty. I think you have answered your own question as > far as why people are unhappy with Vista. A rock-solid feel is, as you > say, subjective, but a blue screen is an objective fact. > > > Quote: > > Finally, don't take the use of the word "love" in this context for more > > than it is. For once I am pleased with and OS from Microsoft and the > > hardware it runs on. Since I depend heavily on computers in my work > > that's worth a little love, don't you think? > > Of course. You're entitled to whatever preferences you wish. > > Charlie- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - A rock solid feel may be subjective, but real enough for the ones experiencing it. Every time we've seen a new OS version from Microsoft some of the core features of the OS like memory management, file system and disk access have been improved. I do not think anyone with argue that NTFS and 32 bit technologies were bad moves on Microsofts part. We are now waiting for another important new core "feature" coming in Microsoft products: WinFS. Many thought we would see it in Vista, but it was not ready for prime time. These are the parts of the OS that counts for me. The layers above like security, file management and UI are things I can deal with myself if Microsoft (or some other OS vendor) aren't doing it the way I want. However, the core OS I can't change, making it what I really care about. And again, I think Vista is a step in the right direction in these, in my opinion, key areas. There's a lot to love if you can get passed the exterior and incompatibilites early adopters of Vista are experiencing.. //ceed
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09-03-2007	#16 (permalink)
Frank n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! ceed wrote: Quote: Quote: >>features? > > > Stuff like Defender and UAC are not key features of an OS. Microsoft > marketing may have you think it is, but that doesn't make it so. Oh, adam has no idea what he's talking about. Pay no attention to that idiot. Quote: > Things like that are supplemental. Key features are memory management, > disk access and kernel related stuff. I'm quite happy with Vista in > those, for me, key areas. Yep! Quote: > > Why do I have the feeling some people here almost feel its offensive > that I like Vista? Well, because in adam's case, he can't get his one tiny little upgraded install of Vista business to run correctly. He hate MS and blames his miserable life on them. But who cares, we all he's just a fukkin loser. Becuase they have alot of problems themselves and Quote: > want to have it confirmed that it's Microsoft's fault? Yeah, that's what the real losers always do. They're to stupid to fix the problems themselves so they whine and cry like little as*holes and blame MS. Quote: > > For me an OS is a utility, something that enables me to do my work and > store my data. As long as it works and I get the job done I'm happy > and "in love". The sad thing is that operating systems quite often > demands so much attention themselves that they make getting the job > done hard. That has not been the case with Vista in my case. Nor in mine and most others Vista users. Frank Quote: > > //ceed > >
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09-03-2007	#17 (permalink)
Charlie Wilkes n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:30:09 -0700, ceed wrote: Quote: > > I'm with you and franky mildfly surprised that Vista works for me as > well as it does. I've been using Linux for years and think it's quite > good if you spend some time making it work. For instance the Fluxbox > window manager is probably the best dekstop UI I have ever used. The It runs on very lean hardware resources, too. Quote: > whole concpt of grouping windows is so simple and efficient that I can't > beleive it hasn't been picked up by the big ones. There's a couple of > Blackbox clones available for Windows, but they do not have the window > grouping functionality of Fluxbox. Texstar, the guy behind PcLinuxOs is > working on a disto based on Fluxbox. When that's out of beta I'm going > to be all over it. In another post I've been called a Microsoft fanboy. > That's not true at all. I like it when things work so I can get my work > done. This time it's Vista working for me, and I'm happy about that > regardless of what's politically correct these days.. Well, that's what matters most. I have explained my resistance, i.e., unwanted cost/complexity without any obvious payoff... and you have explained that you find the feel and layout of the OS to be an adequate payoff. So we each have our own preference. But what about being tethered to a license server and allowing Microsoft to have ultimate control over software updates? Doesn't that bother you? Charlie
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09-04-2007	#18 (permalink)
ceed n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! On Sep 3, 7:47 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > > Well, that's what matters most. I have explained my resistance, i.e., > unwanted cost/complexity without any obvious payoff... and you have > explained that you find the feel and layout of the OS to be an adequate > payoff. So we each have our own preference. But what about being > tethered to a license server and allowing Microsoft to have ultimate > control over software updates? Doesn't that bother you? > > Charlie Having MS looking over my shoulder bothers me a lot. Don't even get me started on that! I will use Linux as much as I can, but my work forces me to have some sort of relationship with Windows. And I have to admit that I am quite pleased with Vista as an OS in spite of the offensive nature of MS's licensing methods. //ceed
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10-03-2007	#19 (permalink)
Johnny n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! ceed wrote: Quote: > On Sep 3, 7:47 pm, Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxx> > wrote: Quote: >> Well, that's what matters most. I have explained my resistance, i.e., >> unwanted cost/complexity without any obvious payoff... and you have >> explained that you find the feel and layout of the OS to be an adequate >> payoff. So we each have our own preference. But what about being >> tethered to a license server and allowing Microsoft to have ultimate >> control over software updates? Doesn't that bother you? >> >> Charlie > > Having MS looking over my shoulder bothers me a lot. Don't even get me > started on that! I will use Linux as much as I can, but my work > forces me to have some sort of relationship with Windows. And I have > to admit that I am quite pleased with Vista as an OS in spite of the > offensive nature of MS's licensing methods. > > //ceed > > I hear ya. I support Windows for a living and after a week of fighting with Vista, I bought a Mac.
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10-04-2007	#20 (permalink)
Johnny n/a posts	Re: Coming out of the closet: I love Vista! Titus Pullo wrote: Quote: Quote: >> >> I hear ya. I support Windows for a living and after a week of >> fighting with Vista, I bought a Mac. > > Thats funny. After years with the Mac, I bought a ThinkPad with Vista > Business and I'm loving it. I have had zero problems with Vista. I hear ya. In the end after I spend all day fighting with Vista and UAC, and Activation, it just nice to be able to turn my comptuer on and just browse the web and not message with Updates, Antivirus, Anti-malware, Personal Firewalls, etc.
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