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| | Stealth updates http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...oft_updat.html What's to stop anyone else from using Microsoft's stealth remote install capability to put anything onto anyone's computer? How long before some smart hacker exploits this, and then writes a program that will allow all the dumb hackers to do it? When you build a capability like this into your system, you decrease your overall security. (Interesting comments following the initial post) -- She plunged into a sea of platitudes, and with the powerful stroke of a channel swimmer, made her confident way toward the white cliffs of the obvious. ....W. Somerset Maugham |
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| | Re: Stealth updates Excerpts from http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/.../17/0944/52635 It's all about the DRM. If Microsoft's anti-piracy schemes are to work, it has to have the right to make changes to components of the operating system whether you want them or not. And if any of those changes happen to cripple your computer, hey, read the EULA. It's your problem, not Microsoft's. It would be easy for Redmond to make this crystal clear, but I guess just coming out and saying that Microsoft has the right to disable your computer would be a little too blunt. So who owns the operating system on your computer? If you run Windows, the answer is that Microsoft thinks it does. -- The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. ....Unknown |
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| | Re: Stealth updates ALL Microsoft software is ONLY licenced to be used. So why waste our time saying: "who owns the operating system on your computer" If you don't know the above, you have never read the EULA "Steve" wrote: Quote: > > Excerpts from http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/.../17/0944/52635 > > > It's all about the DRM. If Microsoft's anti-piracy schemes are to > work, it has to have the right to make changes to components of the > operating system whether you want them or not. And if any of those > changes happen to cripple your computer, hey, read the EULA. It's your > problem, not Microsoft's. > > It would be easy for Redmond to make this crystal clear, but I guess > just coming out and saying that Microsoft has the right to disable > your computer would be a little too blunt. So who owns the operating > system on your computer? If you run Windows, the answer is that > Microsoft thinks it does. > > > > > > > -- > > The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. > > ....Unknown > |
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| | Re: Stealth updates While I partially agree, you may want to rethink that last statement. If it isn't open source, you don't own it. You don't own any software you pay for. They reserve all rights, you simply pay for a license to use their software. Legally, it is crystal clear. What isn't clear is what they intend to do with those rights... And I doubt they would make changes that would cripple your computer. As for DRM as it relates to music - I have no problem with Microsoft providing a mechanism for the music industry to protect their content. Complain to the music industry that demands - and uses - these technologies. SPP? Don't use a pirated version of Windows, and you shouldn't have a problem. WGA servers going down? Rare, serious problem. -- Robert Firth "Steve" <ytr@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:qnque39amhn1ptf3d454ffgd52fg3d6bv7@xxxxxx Quote: > > Excerpts from http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/.../17/0944/52635 > > > It's all about the DRM. If Microsoft's anti-piracy schemes are to > work, it has to have the right to make changes to components of the > operating system whether you want them or not. And if any of those > changes happen to cripple your computer, hey, read the EULA. It's your > problem, not Microsoft's. > > It would be easy for Redmond to make this crystal clear, but I guess > just coming out and saying that Microsoft has the right to disable > your computer would be a little too blunt. So who owns the operating > system on your computer? If you run Windows, the answer is that > Microsoft thinks it does. > > > > > > > -- > > The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. > > ...Unknown |
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| | Re: Stealth updates You don't own open source either, as you can't own something that is free. And there has been a lot of court battles about the above! "Robert Firth" wrote: Quote: > While I partially agree, you may want to rethink that last statement. If it > isn't open source, you don't own it. You don't own any software you pay for. > They reserve all rights, you simply pay for a license to use their software. > Legally, it is crystal clear. What isn't clear is what they intend to do > with those rights... > > And I doubt they would make changes that would cripple your computer. > > As for DRM as it relates to music - I have no problem with Microsoft > providing a mechanism for the music industry to protect their content. > Complain to the music industry that demands - and uses - these technologies. > SPP? Don't use a pirated version of Windows, and you shouldn't have a > problem. WGA servers going down? Rare, serious problem. > > -- > Robert Firth > > > "Steve" <ytr@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:qnque39amhn1ptf3d454ffgd52fg3d6bv7@xxxxxx Quote: > > > > Excerpts from http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/.../17/0944/52635 > > > > > > It's all about the DRM. If Microsoft's anti-piracy schemes are to > > work, it has to have the right to make changes to components of the > > operating system whether you want them or not. And if any of those > > changes happen to cripple your computer, hey, read the EULA. It's your > > problem, not Microsoft's. > > > > It would be easy for Redmond to make this crystal clear, but I guess > > just coming out and saying that Microsoft has the right to disable > > your computer would be a little too blunt. So who owns the operating > > system on your computer? If you run Windows, the answer is that > > Microsoft thinks it does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. > > > > ...Unknown |
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| | Re: Stealth updates Robert Firth wrote: Quote: > While I partially agree, you may want to rethink that last statement. If it > isn't open source, you don't own it. You don't own any software you pay for. > They reserve all rights, you simply pay for a license to use their software. > Legally, it is crystal clear. What isn't clear is what they intend to do > with those rights... towards court costs for upholding their eula/rights would they? Quote: > And I doubt they would make changes that would cripple your computer. be the first time some program interferred with the OS during install or uninstall...as some games do when editing cd rom drive firmware to enforce the games copyrights. Quote: > As for DRM as it relates to music - I have no problem with Microsoft > providing a mechanism for the music industry to protect their content. > Complain to the music industry that demands - and uses - these technologies. > SPP? Don't use a pirated version of Windows, and you shouldn't have a > problem. WGA servers going down? Rare, serious problem. and especially media player from the OS...make it and their drm a seperate install/option/download and leave the OS alone. If you need or want media capabilities then you'd have the option of which player to use and which eula/drm to accept and not have it bundled in adding to the congestion/attack surface. I don't even know why we are forced into IE7 and new bugs when they supposedly built from a working and stable IE6 model. NT Canuck 'Seek and ye shall find' |
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| | Re: Stealth updates Alias wrote: Quote: > Mick Murphy wrote: > Quote: >> ALL Microsoft software is ONLY licenced to be used. > > Aka, a scam. Quote: > Quote: >> >> So why waste our time saying: "who owns the operating system on your >> computer" > > We know MS does. Most people, however, think they own it and MS isn't > going out of their way to tell them differently. Quote: > Quote: >> If you don't know the above, you have never read the EULA > > Most people don't know what an EULA is and haven't agreed to it because > their computer comes preactivated and there isn't an option to hit F8. Three strikes and you're out! LOL! Frank |
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| | Re: Stealth updates Microsoft response - http://blogs.technet.com/mu -- The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. ....Unknown |
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| | Re: Stealth updates not again i thought we were done with that, yes microsoft is the worst company in the world we all know that, i'm bored about talking about microsoft, there so many negative things to say about it, and no good ones. well your choice keep on talking but i'm staying out -- Jonathan Perreault Personnal Advice To You: #1: Do Not Undermine Windows's Work, Or It'll Undermine You As A User. #2: Torture Windows (Any) Now Before It Tortures You Best Comments From Users: No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And Windows's Faults A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:fcuc2b$pkj$1@xxxxxx Quote: > Steve wrote: Quote: > Hi Steve, > > More info here on the stealth updates: > http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wu.html > > And I've gleaned more info so I will be updating it again tonight. > > -- > Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group: > http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html > > "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free > speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the > creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer > rights in the digital age are not frivolous." > - Maura Corbett |
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