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| | What languages are already installed? I have Windows Vista Home Premium in German, which is incredibly difficult to use... I get multiple pop-up windows when I try to do even basic things like create a folder or rename a file. When I am organising the Start Menu folders in Explorer, I get 6 security popups in all just to create a new folder and rename it, and additional ones for every file I try to move! The default button has a little sheild on it and says "Fortsetzen" which Babel says means "continue". Question 1: Does anyone know what these are or how to get rid of them? Question 2: How do I find out what language packs or input languages I already have? In control panel... "Regions- und Spracheoptionen" it lists a hundred languages in "Aktuelles Format", but although it says English, everything is still in German. I've set everything to English wherever I find it, but it doesn't change anything. Does anyone know how to *apply* a Display Language (if that's what I'm setting), or, how to check what languages are available? Question 3: Can I do a fresh install of an English Vista Home Premium 32-bit, and use my product key? Would the English copy need to be an OEM copy, or could it be any copy? Can I buy a Windows Vista cd in English, somewhere, but without a licence so it'll be a reasonable price? I have seen on this forum and on MS website that you can't install language packs on Windows Vista Home Premium... is this going to change at any time? It takes me hours to do *anything*; I want to share an external drive on a network, but, working out which setting is which when it doesn't work is impossible... Babel Fish isn't up to it! All the anti-virus is in German and my 2-licence copy of Norton isn't compatible with Vista, so configuring firewall to let the network work is very time consuming. I'm still doing basic config, and I've had it a week! |
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| | Re: What languages are already installed? "VC" <VC@xxxxxx> wrote ... Quote: >I have Windows Vista Home Premium in German, which is incredibly difficult >to > use... I get multiple pop-up windows when I try to do even basic things > like > it, but it doesn't change anything. Does anyone know how to *apply* a > Display > Language (if that's what I'm setting), or, how to check what languages are > available? Unfortunately, in Vista Home (Basic or Premium) and Business editions, you cannot change the Display Language. If you have a German copy of Vista Home, it will *always* display the Windows menus and dialogues in German, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. You can change the input and keyboard languages, and run applications which use other langauges, that's no problem - but Windows itself, will always communicate with you in German. In Vista Ultimate Edition, you can download and install Multilinguale User Interface ("MUI") packs, which let you change the Display language to about 15 different languages, including US English (no UK English). Once you change the display language, all of Windows' own menus and dialogues will be in the language you specify. Your main options are to upgrade your existing Vista Home Premium to Vista Ultimate, via Microsoft's Anytime Upgrade, and then download and install an English MUI pack via Windows Update. Windows Anytime Upgrade: Overview http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro.../overview.mspx Note that you may need to do the Anytime Upgrade *in German*, via www.microsoft.de ... I don't think there's any option to select a German Upgrade if you run through the US or International microsoft sites. Not sure about that ... maybe someone else knows? The other alternative is to go out and buy an English language copy of Vista. You would need to install it from scratch, replacing your existing installation - so, back up your data first, and be ready to re-install your applications afterwards. You can't "upgrade" over your existing installation and change language, in the same operation. As to why Microsoft chose this astonishingly parochial and narrow-minded approach to languages, I have no idea. It seems amazingly bone-headed, without any technical motivation, and a denial of today's global reality for most users ... especially users living anywhere outside the US. I regret, I can only imagine it really was a cynical ploy to drive a few more Ultimate sales. I guess Windows product managers can't imagine a world where people drive from Strasbourg to Frankfurt for the afternoon; and do a bit of crazy shopping at der techno-mall while they're there. Sorry for the bad news, but I hope it helps. -- Andrew McLaren amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au |
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| | Re: What languages are already installed? this is not totally correct since there are kinds 2 language packs one is totaly UI language change called MUI and the other is partial language change of the most important UI elements and that is called LIP http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...b5ecc1033.mspx LIPs are free for everyone... and apply to all versions of vista "Andrew McLaren" <andrew@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:A9A09FEF-A2F6-4726-B588-0FFB7E51193C@xxxxxx Quote: > "VC" <VC@xxxxxx> wrote ... Quote: >>I have Windows Vista Home Premium in German, which is incredibly difficult >>to >> use... I get multiple pop-up windows when I try to do even basic things >> like >> it, but it doesn't change anything. Does anyone know how to *apply* a >> Display >> Language (if that's what I'm setting), or, how to check what languages >> are >> available? > Hi, > > Unfortunately, in Vista Home (Basic or Premium) and Business editions, you > cannot change the Display Language. If you have a German copy of Vista > Home, it will *always* display the Windows menus and dialogues in German, > and there's nothing you can do to stop it. You can change the input and > keyboard languages, and run applications which use other langauges, that's > no problem - but Windows itself, will always communicate with you in > German. > > In Vista Ultimate Edition, you can download and install Multilinguale User > Interface ("MUI") packs, which let you change the Display language to > about 15 different languages, including US English (no UK English). Once > you change the display language, all of Windows' own menus and dialogues > will be in the language you specify. > > Your main options are to upgrade your existing Vista Home Premium to Vista > Ultimate, via Microsoft's Anytime Upgrade, and then download and install > an English MUI pack via Windows Update. > > Windows Anytime Upgrade: Overview > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro.../overview.mspx > > Note that you may need to do the Anytime Upgrade *in German*, via > www.microsoft.de ... I don't think there's any option to select a German > Upgrade if you run through the US or International microsoft sites. Not > sure about that ... maybe someone else knows? > > The other alternative is to go out and buy an English language copy of > Vista. You would need to install it from scratch, replacing your existing > installation - so, back up your data first, and be ready to re-install > your applications afterwards. You can't "upgrade" over your existing > installation and change language, in the same operation. > > As to why Microsoft chose this astonishingly parochial and narrow-minded > approach to languages, I have no idea. It seems amazingly bone-headed, > without any technical motivation, and a denial of today's global reality > for most users ... especially users living anywhere outside the US. I > regret, I can only imagine it really was a cynical ploy to drive a few > more Ultimate sales. I guess Windows product managers can't imagine a > world where people drive from Strasbourg to Frankfurt for the afternoon; > and do a bit of crazy shopping at der techno-mall while they're there. > > Sorry for the bad news, but I hope it helps. > -- > Andrew McLaren > amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au > |
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| | Re: What languages are already installed? D. Solomon wrote: Quote: > this is not totally correct since there are kinds 2 language packs > > one is totaly UI language change called MUI > and the other is partial language change of the most important UI elements > and > that is called LIP > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...b5ecc1033.mspx > > LIPs are free for everyone... and apply to all versions of vista VC, you are stuck with German Vista unless you pay more $$ to get ultimate. Erwin |
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| | Re: What languages are already installed? thats why they dont have ENGLISH.. because they want the $$ :-) "Erwin Moller" <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:46f3e7b6$0$237$e4fe514c@xxxxxx Quote: > D. Solomon wrote: Quote: >> this is not totally correct since there are kinds 2 language packs >> >> one is totaly UI language change called MUI >> and the other is partial language change of the most important UI >> elements and >> that is called LIP >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...b5ecc1033.mspx >> >> LIPs are free for everyone... and apply to all versions of vista > Shame though they don't have an english LIP.... > VC, you are stuck with German Vista unless you pay more $$ to get > ultimate. > > Erwin |
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| | Re: What languages are already installed? "D. Solomon" <D.Solomon(nospam)@yahoo.com> wrote... Quote: > this is not totally correct since there are kinds 2 language packs > and that is called LIP > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...b5ecc1033.mspx > LIPs are free for everyone... and apply to all versions of vista One might ask, *why* are there two different kinds of language pack: MUI and LIP? Well, it's because the are part of different projects. MUIs are produced wholly by the Windows team in Microsoft, as part of the standard Windows development and Build process. They are all equal partners as language translations (in Vista, English is just another MUI, applied to a raw Vista Build, same as French or Japanese). MUIs are the main way in which Windows is created and distributed in different languages; mainly "major" world languages like Chinese, French, English etc. They are totally cross-installable: I can install a French MUI onto Japanese Windows, Italian MUi onto Russian Windows and so on. LIP is "Local Language Programme", and is a way to get translations of Windows into range of "local" or less widespread langauges: such as Afrikaans, Catalan, Farsi, or Welsh. I'd avoid any suggestion these are less important languages; since Indonesian, for example, as 230 million speakers; and I myself tried to get a Scottish Gaelic LIP instigated at one stage (unsuccessfuly, I regret to say). LIPs are produced in co-operation between Microsoft and community and academic groups involved with the language concerned. They are a translation, in varying degrees, of the resource strings in Windows, so that once applied to a parent language version, they translate most of the menus, dialogues etc into the local language. Typically about 80% of the UI is localised in a LIP. The only "major" world language in the LIP programme is Spanish - that was an add-on pack for Windows XP Tablet PC edition, which for some reason didn't seem to have ship in a Spanish version. The other languages are, well ...."languages which are not-MUI-languages". Basically, the set of LIP languages and the set of MUI languages do not overlap. Generally, LIP packs need to be installed on top of the appropriate "parent" language. So Basque egets installed on top of Spanish-language Windows; Slovak gets installed on top of Czech language Windows; Ukranian on top of Russian Windows, etc. You can't install a Basque LIP onto an Englisg of Japanese Windows, for example. Of the existing LIP languages, most are for XP, few Vista versions have been created yet. Presumably an update will be produced one day, but since these depend on co-operation from regional governments, community groups etc, it can take a while. So far, I think Catalan, Hindi and Serbian are the only LIPs for Vista, as opposed to XP. I am a huge fan of the LIP, and it deserves to much better known and encouraged. But (1) is is so far off the track in providing any kind of solution for the OP, that it didn't seem useful to mention; and (2) it's pretty safe to say we will *never* see an English language LIP. At one stage I also discussed a "UK English" LIP for Windows with the Microsoft people, to get away from all the barbarous Americanisms now in Vista. There was some interest from commercial firms in the UK and Commonwealth, as well. But the momentum and finances required to get a LIP off the ground are considerable, it really needs national government support. In short ... LIP is great; but it is not "MUI-by-stealth". It is a different project, with different processes and goals. And it is of no assistance to the OP. -- Andrew McLaren amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au |
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| | Re: What languages are already installed? "D. Solomon" <D.Solomon(nospam)@yahoo.com> wrote ... Quote: > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...b5ecc1033.mspx > > Windows Vista Language Interface Pack (LIP).? Windows Vista LIPs provide a LIP, and it deserves to much better known and encouraged. But (1) is is so far off the track in providing any kind of solution for the OP, that it didn't seem useful to mention; and (2) it's pretty safe to say we will *never* see an English language LIP. -- Andrew McLaren amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au |
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