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Old 09-30-2007   #1 (permalink)
Chris Brode


 
 

FTP

anyone know if you make make an ftp server with stuff that comes with Vista


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Old 09-30-2007   #2 (permalink)
Andrew McLaren


 
 

Re: FTP

"Chris Brode" <cbrode@xxxxxx> wrote...
Quote:

> anyone know if you make make an ftp server with stuff that comes with
> Vista

It depends on the edition.

FTP service is available in Vista Ultimate edition (and also, I think,
Business and Enterprise editions). Go to Control Panel, Programs and
Features, Turn features on or off, Internet Information Services. You'll
find the ftp options there.

Vista Home Edition does not appear to have any FTP service (although it does
have some web server abilities).

Hope it helps,

--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au


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Old 09-30-2007   #3 (permalink)
Rick Rogers


 
 

Re: FTP

Hi,

Sure, if you have IIS. It comes in Business and Ultimate, but not Home
Premium or Basic. It will be listed under the Control Panel/Programs and
Features/Windows Features.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Chris Brode" <cbrode@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OpL2H17AIHA.4836@xxxxxx
Quote:

> anyone know if you make make an ftp server with stuff that comes with
> Vista
>
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Old 09-30-2007   #4 (permalink)
Leythos


 
 

Re: FTP

In article <OpL2H17AIHA.4836@xxxxxx>, cbrode@xxxxxx
says...
Quote:

> anyone know if you make make an ftp server with stuff that comes with Vista
Don't use Windows for a FTP server, download and install FileZilla
server, it's free, works real well, secure, doesn't use windows
accounts, and it's stable and you can point it to any folder based on
user/group that logs into it.

http://filezilla-project.org/


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Old 09-30-2007   #5 (permalink)
Synapse Syndrome


 
 

Re: FTP

"Tiberius" <Tibery@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:47004414$1@xxxxxx-privat.org...
Quote:

> you are incorrect... home premium has IIS too
>
> see this page
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...=en-us&m=1&p=1

Tiberius, you have to be more careful before you say that Andrew is
incorrect on anything. I know that IIS can be installed on Home Premium,
but it has no NTFS authentification, so how would the crappy IIS FTP server
work, as it relies on normal user accounts for the FTP accounts? (This is
the main reason why I think the IIS FTP server is so rubbish)

Look at this page. I have not got Home Premium, and I have not bothered to
look at IIS 7.0 at all, as I only use IIS on my server, which has Windows
Server 2003 installed.

http://207.46.196.114/WindowsServer/....mspx?mfr=true

It says that FTP is not available on Home Premium, which would make sense to
me.

ss.


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Old 10-01-2007   #6 (permalink)
Andrew McLaren


 
 

Re: FTP

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@xxxxxx> wrote ...
Quote:

> "Tiberius" <Tibery@xxxxxx> wrote...
Quote:

>>
>> you are incorrect... home premium has IIS too
>
> Tiberius, you have to be more careful before you say that Andrew is
> incorrect on anything. I know that IIS can be installed on Home Premium,
Thanks, Synapse! I didn't see that response from Tiberius; I added him to my
plonk list, long ago.

However, to address his objection ... I said:

"Vista Home Edition does not appear to have any FTP service
(although it does have some web server abilities)".

I believe I was totally correct, there.

Vista Home Premium does include a web server: IIS. This edition provides a
*subset* of IIS features, compared to what you get on Business and Ultimate
editions. For a start, on Vista Home Premium IIS is limited to 3
simultaneous execution requests; compared to 10 on Business & Ultimate; and
unlimited, on the Server version of IIS.

Also, IIS on Home Premium does not support Windows Aauthentication; Digest
authentication; Client certificate mapping authentication; or URL
authorisation. It does not support loging to ODBC sources. Most important
of all, in light of the original poster's question: IIS on Home Premium does
not include any ftp facilities whatever.

So ... I stand by my claim: Vista Home Edition does not have any FTP
service. It does have some web server abilities. It does not have the full
set of web server abilities, as found in IIS on more "serious" editions of
Vista.

I don't see any reason to take Tiberius out of the killfile, based on this
exchange. His posts still seem to be mainly low-value noise.

--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au


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Old 10-01-2007   #7 (permalink)
Mick Murphy


 
 

Re: FTP

Tiberius, do us all a favor, and read Andrew's post.
This is what I have said to you before; you will NOT admit that you are wrong!

"Tiberius" wrote:
Quote:

> you are incorrect... home premium has IIS
>
> see this page
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...=en-us&m=1&p=1
>
>
> and this page
>
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window...6e2bd1033.mspx
>
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uief3D8AIHA.4880@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > Hi,
> >
> > Sure, if you have IIS. It comes in Business and Ultimate, but not Home
> > Premium or Basic. It will be listed under the Control Panel/Programs and
> > Features/Windows Features.
> >
> > --
> > Best of Luck,
> >
> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> > Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> > My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
> >
> > "Chris Brode" <cbrode@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:OpL2H17AIHA.4836@xxxxxx
Quote:

> >> anyone know if you make make an ftp server with stuff that comes with
> >> Vista
> >>
> >
>
>
>
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Old 10-01-2007   #8 (permalink)
Andrew McLaren


 
 

Re: FTP

Tiberius wrote:
Quote:

> Read the pages I provided THEY claim that you DO have all the IIS
> as long as you use the SCRIPT to install!
Sure - one can find pages on the Internet which claim *anything*. But that
doesn't make them correct.

Google is no substitute for knowledge and experience.
Quote:

> am copy pasting:>>>>
>
> IIS 7.0 can be installed, complete, on Home Premium.
> Use this script to install every last bit which IIS 7.0 offers :
> start /w pkgmgr
> /iu:IIS-WebServerRole;IIS-WebServer;IIS-CommonHttpFeatures;IIS-StaticC
> <snip>
Is *that* the evidence you're presenting to support your claim? Can't you
see why it proves you're wrong??

To install ftp, you need to include the packages "IIS-FTPServer" and
"IIS-FTPManagement". These packages are missing from the above command. The
reason why they're missing? Because on Home Premium, they don't exist. There
is no FTP on Home Premium. The above command will install the Home Premium
subset of IIS. It does *not* install the full IIS package, which you would
get on Vista Ultimate or Business.

I regret to say, you're successfully demonstrating you really don't know
what you're talking about here.

It's great that people try to maintain a high level of accuracy in newsgroup
replies; but it only works when their responses are themselves accurate. Why
attempt to contribute to a thread, when you don't have any useful
information to offer?

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Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au



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Old 10-01-2007   #9 (permalink)
Mick Murphy


 
 

Re: FTP

I just had a look at it Tiberius.
All it mentions is IIS 6 Management tools, scripting tools, WMI
compatibility, IIS Metabase and IIS 6 configuration compatibily.
Plus your WWW services. ASP, ASP,NET, etc

Definitely 6 not 7. That is what comes default with Vista Home Premium


"Tiberius" wrote:
Quote:

> I do not know if I am wrong...I dont have home premium and I dont like home
> premium and no one that I know who has home premium would want IIS installed
> in the first place! If you try it and you verify that IIS is not installed
> compleatly please post your findings. I have no problem saying I am wrong...
> Im just trying to make a point that people here are saying that it is
> possible.. again read that page I had the link
>
> I am posting here exactlty what they say and dont be to fast in saying that
> it is wrong without testing it yourself
>
> am copy pasting:>>>>
>
>
> Not so.
>
> IIS 7.0 can be installed, complete, on Home Premium.
>
> Use this script to install every last bit which IIS 7.0 offers :
>
> start /w pkgmgr
> /iu:IIS-WebServerRole;IIS-WebServer;IIS-CommonHttpFeatures;IIS-StaticContent;IIS-DefaultDocument;IIS-DirectoryBrowsing;IIS-HttpErrors;IIS-HttpRedirect;IIS-ApplicationDevelopment;IIS-ASPNET;IIS-NetFxExtensibility;IIS-ASP;IIS-CGI;IIS-ISAPIExtensions;IIS-ISAPIFilter;IIS-ServerSideIncludes;IIS-HealthAndDiagnostics;IIS-HttpLogging;IIS-LoggingLibraries;IIS-RequestMonitor;IIS-HttpTracing;IIS-CustomLogging;IIS-Security;IIS-BasicAuthentication;IIS-URLAuthorization;IIS-RequestFiltering;IIS-IPSecurity;IIS-Performance;IIS-HttpCompressionStatic;IIS-HttpCompressionDynamic;IIS-WebServerManagementTools;IIS-ManagementConsole;IIS-ManagementScriptingTools;IIS-ManagementService;IIS-IIS6ManagementCompatibility;IIS-Metabase;IIS-WMICompatibility;IIS-LegacyScripts;IIS-LegacySnapIn;WAS-WindowsActivationService;WAS-ProcessModel;WAS-NetFxEnvironment;WAS-ConfigurationAPI
>
> See:
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window....mspx?mfr=true
>
> Yup and from I found out, it's even on the Home Basic,
> the only difference between versions being the number
> of concurrent connections allowed, from about 3 to 10.
>
> That's good news for application compatibility :-), 3-5 years
> down the road! :-(
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:3ED6143D-1FA2-4ED1-8576-509D0D257954@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > Tiberius, do us all a favor, and read Andrew's post.
> > This is what I have said to you before; you will NOT admit that you are
> > wrong!
> >
> > "Tiberius" wrote:
> >
Quote:

> >> you are incorrect... home premium has IIS
> >>
> >> see this page
> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...=en-us&m=1&p=1
> >>
> >>
> >> and this page
> >>
> >> http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window...6e2bd1033.mspx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Rick Rogers" <rick@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:uief3D8AIHA.4880@xxxxxx
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Sure, if you have IIS. It comes in Business and Ultimate, but not Home
> >> > Premium or Basic. It will be listed under the Control Panel/Programs
> >> > and
> >> > Features/Windows Features.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Best of Luck,
> >> >
> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> >> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> >> > Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> >> > My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
> >> >
> >> > "Chris Brode" <cbrode@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> > news:OpL2H17AIHA.4836@xxxxxx
> >> >> anyone know if you make make an ftp server with stuff that comes with
> >> >> Vista
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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Old 10-01-2007   #10 (permalink)
Andrew McLaren


 
 

Re: FTP

Tiberius wrote:
Quote:

> I did not claim to know this be personal experience... GESH!
> If you hadnt plonked me you would be able to read my replies that I
> explain this!
> I am just giving the information as I found it
I've temporarily un-plonked you, while we sort this matter out.

The Original Poster asked for info about setting up ftp in Vista. Rick
Rogers and myself both replied to the OP with accurate, useful answers.
Then you replied to both of us, accusing us of giving incorrect
information to the OP.

When pressed, you replied that:
Quote:

> I do not know.. I dont have home premium. Im just telling you what
> the pages say
In other words - you didn't actually know first-hand the answer to the
OP's question. You were not in a position to judge whether Rick or
myself were replying correctly or wrongly. And yet, for no goood
reason, you decided to wade into the discussion; which you did by by
recycling irrelevant, misleading information you'd found on a random
web page.

Then you try to excuse this unprofessional behaviour by saying you
don't actually have Home Premium (by implication: you should be
excused, because you weren't to know what you were saying was wrong).

Today you have posted around 40 items to this newsgroup. Very few of
your posts contain useful information - most of them are supposedly
humorous links, personal remarks, low quality generic technical advice,
commentary on Microsoft, etc.

But when someone else does post useful technical information, you tell
them they are incorrect - even when they aren't!

You should re-assess your policy on posting to this newsgroup. You have
a poor reputation here; it would be greatly improved if you posted far
fewer items, and made sure that when you do post, you actually provide
useful, accurate technical information. Especially:

- do not tell other posters they're wrong unless you really, 110%,
*know* that they're wrong;

- do not recycle random info from web pages, as though it was your own
first-hand technical knowledge and experience. People can use Google
for themselves; they ask questions here to find better answers than
that.


I am now placing you back into the plonk file, until I hear some
indication your posts have become worth reading. Currently, your posts
are just an annoying distraction.

I regret needing to speak harshly like this. However, I am not trying
to be rude - everything I've stated above is accurate and sincerely
meant.

--
Andrew McLaren
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