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Old 10-17-2007   #11 (permalink)
Carey Frisch [MVP]


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

Cracks will only result in requiring you
to reformat and reinstall Vista. Microsoft
is keenly aware of all the cracks out there.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:f3yRi.45464$RX.43293@xxxxxx
Like I said. next time its a crack.

"john" <john@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uQvqTMPEIHA.536@xxxxxx
Quote:

>
> "Alpine" <Alpine@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:9FA08923-AA8A-4E18-B6E3-498132D0FE2C@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Greets,
>>
>> I have had my computer for nearly 6 months, and a couple days ago right
>> after statup, I get the windows popup "windows could not activate" and
>> then
>> something along the lines of "click here for troubleshooting".
>>
>> So when I get back into Windows Activation it's giving me 30 days to
>> activate and it won't activate on-line.
>>
>> I have been through the various activation related issues with other
>> machines but not with this one.
>>
>> Why did this happen?
>>
>> Is Vista requireing multiple activations over periods of time?
>>
>> Before I go through the phone activation, I wanted to know more as to why
>> this even happened.
>
> Because M$ wants you to prove over and over and over again that you are
> not a thief.
>
> People here have already found they have to reactivate just because they
> ran Windows Update and downloaded a new device driver. This is just the
> new M$ anti-piracy measures at work... sort of like being pulled over by
> the same cop at the exact same spot every freakin day and forced at
> gunpoint to prove you didn't steal the car.
>
> Get used to it, it will only get worse.
>
> ..and the best part of all this is, it doesn't slow the pirates down even
> one little bit - they've already figured out how to circumvent this
> ridiculous crap, it only inconveniences the honest users.
>
> atta boy Ballmer. have a banana...
>

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Old 10-17-2007   #12 (permalink)
Ronnie Vernon MVP


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

Alpine, John, and others

Do you really, really think that after all of the bad press and complaints
that Microsoft has received over the last 7 years about Product Activation
that they would still be using it if they weren't seeing any benefit?

You can say anything you want about Microsoft, but with the success they
have had, you can't say that they are stupid.

I equate PA with so many other things that 'honest' people have to put up
with today. If you go into any large computer store you are constantly under
surveillance from hidden cameras. Some items that you purchase, you are not
even allowed to carry the item to the check out, because they are small
enough to slip into your pocket. Even after you check out, you are stopped
at the exit where a security person checks the contents of your bag with
your receipt.

PA keeps honest people honest and for anyone to deny the existence of casual
copying, which PA was designed to stop, is to have your head buried in the
sand. I was on staff at a learning institute and I personally knew one
person who distributed over 500 copies of Windows 98 at that school for one
dollar a copy. He was so open with this that he actually had a box sitting
on a table in the cafeteria where anyone could buy a copy.

The honest people are always the one's that have to pay the bill for the
dishonest people.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Alpine" <Alpine@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:0D51003D-4BF3-48FC-9BB4-64300712A123@xxxxxx
Quote:

> John,
>
> Apparently you and I are on the same page....
>
> "john" wrote:
>
Quote:

>>
>> People here have already found they have to reactivate just because they
>> ran
>> Windows Update and downloaded a new device driver. This is just the new
>> M$
>> anti-piracy measures at work... sort of like being pulled over by the
>> same
>> cop at the exact same spot every freakin day and forced at gunpoint to
>> prove
>> you didn't steal the car.
>>
>> Get used to it, it will only get worse.
>>
>> ...and the best part of all this is, it doesn't slow the pirates down
>> even
>> one little bit - they've already figured out how to circumvent this
>> ridiculous crap, it only inconveniences the honest users.
>>
>> atta boy Ballmer. have a banana...
>>
>>
>>
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Old 10-18-2007   #13 (permalink)
Ronnie Vernon MVP


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

Kevin

It's really amazing, before Product Activation was used to fight casual
copying, the people who were dishonest enough to participate in this always
denied doing it. And now here you are publicly stating that you are going to
make sure that Product Activation stays around as long as possible.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:f3yRi.45464$RX.43293@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Like I said. next time its a crack.
>
> "john" <john@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uQvqTMPEIHA.536@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>
>> "Alpine" <Alpine@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:9FA08923-AA8A-4E18-B6E3-498132D0FE2C@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> Greets,
>>>
>>> I have had my computer for nearly 6 months, and a couple days ago right
>>> after statup, I get the windows popup "windows could not activate" and
>>> then
>>> something along the lines of "click here for troubleshooting".
>>>
>>> So when I get back into Windows Activation it's giving me 30 days to
>>> activate and it won't activate on-line.
>>>
>>> I have been through the various activation related issues with other
>>> machines but not with this one.
>>>
>>> Why did this happen?
>>>
>>> Is Vista requireing multiple activations over periods of time?
>>>
>>> Before I go through the phone activation, I wanted to know more as to
>>> why
>>> this even happened.
>>
>> Because M$ wants you to prove over and over and over again that you are
>> not a thief.
>>
>> People here have already found they have to reactivate just because they
>> ran Windows Update and downloaded a new device driver. This is just the
>> new M$ anti-piracy measures at work... sort of like being pulled over by
>> the same cop at the exact same spot every freakin day and forced at
>> gunpoint to prove you didn't steal the car.
>>
>> Get used to it, it will only get worse.
>>
>> ..and the best part of all this is, it doesn't slow the pirates down even
>> one little bit - they've already figured out how to circumvent this
>> ridiculous crap, it only inconveniences the honest users.
>>
>> atta boy Ballmer. have a banana...
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-18-2007   #14 (permalink)
Kevin Weaver


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:15401487-6D1F-46C6-AEA0-098E253CE206@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Kevin
>
> It's really amazing, before Product Activation was used to fight casual
> copying, the people who were dishonest enough to participate in this
> always denied doing it. And now here you are publicly stating that you are
> going to make sure that Product Activation stays around as long as
> possible.
>
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:f3yRi.45464$RX.43293@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Like I said. next time its a crack.
>>
>> "john" <john@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:uQvqTMPEIHA.536@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>
>>> "Alpine" <Alpine@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:9FA08923-AA8A-4E18-B6E3-498132D0FE2C@xxxxxx
>>>> Greets,
>>>>
>>>> I have had my computer for nearly 6 months, and a couple days ago right
>>>> after statup, I get the windows popup "windows could not activate" and
>>>> then
>>>> something along the lines of "click here for troubleshooting".
>>>>
>>>> So when I get back into Windows Activation it's giving me 30 days to
>>>> activate and it won't activate on-line.
>>>>
>>>> I have been through the various activation related issues with other
>>>> machines but not with this one.
>>>>
>>>> Why did this happen?
>>>>
>>>> Is Vista requireing multiple activations over periods of time?
>>>>
>>>> Before I go through the phone activation, I wanted to know more as to
>>>> why
>>>> this even happened.
>>>
>>> Because M$ wants you to prove over and over and over again that you are
>>> not a thief.
>>>
>>> People here have already found they have to reactivate just because they
>>> ran Windows Update and downloaded a new device driver. This is just the
>>> new M$ anti-piracy measures at work... sort of like being pulled over by
>>> the same cop at the exact same spot every freakin day and forced at
>>> gunpoint to prove you didn't steal the car.
>>>
>>> Get used to it, it will only get worse.
>>>
>>> ..and the best part of all this is, it doesn't slow the pirates down
>>> even one little bit - they've already figured out how to circumvent this
>>> ridiculous crap, it only inconveniences the honest users.
>>>
>>> atta boy Ballmer. have a banana...
>>>
>>
>
Yeah, like that's going to change.

So I pay for software to the tune of 300.00 for vista then play phone tag
with Microsoft ? I won't this game again. Next time I'll apply the crack! As
we all know that the person that thought of this game is high on crack.

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Old 10-18-2007   #15 (permalink)
Carey Frisch [MVP]


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

There are a set of Windows system files and processes that are
protected by Software Protection Platform (SPP) in order to
prevent licensing hacks and work-arounds. Because changes to
these files and processes can destabilize the system or open it up
for further attacks, Microsoft requires tampered systems to be
reinstalled from original media. Some forms of piracy may trigger
the tamper response and cause Windows to require reinstallation.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Kevin Weaver" wrote:

Next time I'll apply the crack!
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Old 10-18-2007   #16 (permalink)
john


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?


"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:900633D4-AEDA-4DDA-9511-BC3BB776F459@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Alpine, John, and others
>
<snip>
Quote:

>
> The honest people are always the one's that have to pay the bill for the
> dishonest people.
>
while that may be true, it doesn't make it right.
like most things these days, it just all about $$, screw the customer.
it only goes on because we tolerate it.

that's the same logic that allows:
- insurance companies to raise everybody's rates through the roof following
Katrina.
- oil companies to jack up prices every time the wind blows in the Gulf.
- the government to kick in the door to your house in order to protect you
from terrorists.

etc, etc.

what sheep we've become.


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Old 10-18-2007   #17 (permalink)
Carey Frisch [MVP]


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

The moment you install any "crack" that attempts to alter
or modify the activation or WGA binaries, the computer
will default to "reduced functionality mode" and a reinstall
of Vista will be required. The so-called "crack experts"
don't mention this since their goal is not to help, but
to harm your computer and laugh at everyone that
downloads a "crack". And FYI, Microsoft analyses
all the cracks out there and has found that the majority
of cracks contain harmful spyware, malware or malicious
"root kits" that will turn a computer into big-time security risk.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

---------------------------------------------------------------

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ff8iga$iup$4@xxxxxx
Ronnie Vernon MVP wrote:
Quote:

> Kevin
>
> It's really amazing, before Product Activation was used to fight casual
> copying, the people who were dishonest enough to participate in this
> always denied doing it. And now here you are publicly stating that you
> are going to make sure that Product Activation stays around as long as
> possible.
>
That is only your interpretation. The reason he speaks of using a crack
is because there are cracks out there that have no problem making vista
run while being able to get MS updates and not run into activation
issues. This means that PA is a flawed DRM tool.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

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Old 10-18-2007   #18 (permalink)
norm


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
Quote:

> The moment you install any "crack" that attempts to alter
> or modify the activation or WGA binaries, the computer
> will default to "reduced functionality mode" and a reinstall
> of Vista will be required. The so-called "crack experts"
> don't mention this since their goal is not to help, but
> to harm your computer and laugh at everyone that
> downloads a "crack". And FYI, Microsoft analyses
> all the cracks out there and has found that the majority
> of cracks contain harmful spyware, malware or malicious
> "root kits" that will turn a computer into big-time security risk.
>
Actually, windows WITHOUT cracks can "contain harmful spyware, malware
or malicious "root kits" that will turn a computer into a big-time
security risk".

--
norm
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Old 10-18-2007   #19 (permalink)
Carey Frisch [MVP]


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

I don't know of a single person "who download cracked copies of vista and have
no PA problems." Maybe when the root kits come alive and they
eventually find all their credit card and banking info being transmitted
to Romania or Russia will they learn their lesson....the hard way!


--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

---------------------------------------------------------------

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ff8p1f$6o7$1@xxxxxx
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
Quote:

> The moment you install any "crack" that attempts to alter
> or modify the activation or WGA binaries, the computer
> will default to "reduced functionality mode" and a reinstall
> of Vista will be required. The so-called "crack experts"
> don't mention this since their goal is not to help, but
> to harm your computer and laugh at everyone that
> downloads a "crack". And FYI, Microsoft analyses
> all the cracks out there and has found that the majority
> of cracks contain harmful spyware, malware or malicious
> "root kits" that will turn a computer into big-time security risk.
>
Then why are there people who download cracked copies of vista and have
no PA problems?

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

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Old 10-20-2007   #20 (permalink)
Lang Murphy


 
 

Re: Windows Vista Ultimate Re-Activation?

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:vOhRi.4535$wF3.1716@xxxxxx
Quote:

>
> "Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:79EBBAD9-C84D-4F13-81C2-0C74E71A6E49@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:didRi.45366$RX.4317@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> Another Vista Bug!
>>>
>>
>> Please list bug-free software here:
>>
>> 1.Vista. At least products I regestir dont keep asking me to make
>> phone calls to re-regester after I've done so.
>>
>> 2. I've yet to see diskeeper have any. Hell, And if so, there not show
>> stopers like vista is.
> I run vista. But with that said, It's far from being better then XP Was
> when shiped out, Vista cant even go into sleep mode. A simple copying of
> files was faster in win 9X then vista.
>
> The next time Vista wants me to phone home. I'm not. I'll just run a
> simple crack and put a end to this crap.
Quote:

>>
>> 3.
>>
>> Lang
>>
>>
>

As expected, no bug free software listed...

Lang

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