Vista - eSATA Drive Question

05-28-2008

"earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx

Quote:

>I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently
>installed
> a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses
> the
> jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot.
> Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no
> problems/conflicts
> with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows
> XP,
> it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects
> the
> external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the
> drive
> is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it
> appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using
> Vista
> Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the
> SATA during backups.
> Any suggestions?
> My system config:
> Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram,
> Kingwin
> PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2.
> I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure
> with
> a 320GB Western digital SATA II.

earlgrey9:
Following bootup with the external SATA HDD connected, access Device Manager
and right-click on "Disk drives" and then "Scan for hardware changes". That
might do the trick of detecting the drive.

If not...

I take it your SATA HDD is in an external enclosure that has both
SATA-to-SATA connectivity as well as the USB interface, right? And the
enclosure's SATA port is an eSATA port, right?

I'm assuming that if you would *directly* connect the SATA HDD to one of the
motherboard's SATA connectors there would be no problem. (Obviously the
drive's source of power would come from a direct connection to your system's
power supply).

Anyway, since the external SATA HDD works while connected to an eSATA port
on another PC we can assume there's no problem either with the drive nor the
external enclosure.

So that, of course, leaves the SATA controller card. We'll assume that you
correctly connected the card & its drivers. What's the make & model of the
card? Have you checked with the card's manufacturer (assuming there's a
website available) to see if they could shed any light on the problem?

Any chance of installing the card in your other machine to see what happens
there?

As an aside...over the years we've run into so many incompatibility problems
with these SATA PCI controller cards that we're loathe to recommend them as
a general proposition. Assuming we're dealing with a desktop machine we
usually recommend an eSATA adapter along these lines...
http://www.provantage.com/scripts/ca...tspecs/STRT0HA
(That particular model is equipped with an internal power plug so that power
to the SATA HDD can be supplied through the system's own PS. But there are
other models that just have the SATA or eSATA port and power would be
supplied through the external enclosure such as the one you have).

What about trying another PCI slot?

Anna

05-28-2008

On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:21:00 -0700, earlgrey9 <earlgrey@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Quote:

>I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently installed
>a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses the
>jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot.
>Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no problems/conflicts

I assume the driver you downloaded and installed was not U2PCI-2.exe,
because it contains the driver for the SiI 3x12 chip.

Quote:

>with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows XP,
>it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects the
>external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the drive
>is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it
>appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using Vista
>Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the
>SATA during backups.
>Any suggestions?
>My system config:
>Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram, Kingwin
>PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2.
>I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure with
>a 320GB Western digital SATA II.

05-28-2008

Thank you for your thoughtful consideration

I usually don't do forums
cause I can usually figure things out

There was some other troubleshooting stuff I did, but did not want to be too
long winded in my first post to this group

I did try going into the device manager > SCSI and Raid Controllers> right
click on Jmicron JMB36X controller> Scan for hardware changes. This did not
work.
I tried unplugging the eSATA cable and replugging it in to get autodetect to
see it. No dice.

-My SATA is in an external enclosure, with its own power supply. Looks like
a regular ac adapter.
-The enclosure has a switch and 2 connectors. 1 eSATA and 1 usb 2.0. Just
flip switch to eSATA or USB and plug in the corresponding cable.

-earlier I had the problematic mothrboard installed in my Vista machine and
detection was ok under Vista, but flaky after vista SP1 was installed. I
decided to buy another with a built in eSATA controller, thinking there might
be a potential conflict between the onboard sata ports and the Kingwin
controller card.

Getting back to the current problem, I tried downloading drivers from 3
sources. 1. Kingwin, 2. JMicron, 3. ASUS (I downloaded the driver for the
motherboard that had the built in eSATA since it has the same JMicron chip
and would likely use the same driver and interrupts. ) None of these drivers
worked. I could get the computer to see the card, it would say "This device
is working properly" but the card would not see a drive connected.

-I remembered on some computers I've built in the past, a message just after
POST that said something like "press F _ to load 3rd party Raid drivers" But
apparenty I don't have that option for this motherboard.
If I try running the raid setup software from windows XP, it says no raid
drives detected.

-If I go into BIOS setup, I only see the local SATA drives.

-I only have one pci express x4 slot, the other express slot is x16 for
the display adapter so I am stuck with this slot.

-Here's another stray thought I had, if I bought a SATA card with eSATA
ports, and disabled the onboard SATA controller, would I have better luck?
What do you think?

I think I am agreeing with your statement on compatability problems and pci
cards.
I will look at the link you gave me...

Thanks!

Jn 3.16

"Anna" wrote:

Quote:

>
> "earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx

Quote:

> >I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently
> >installed
> > a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses
> > the
> > jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot.
> > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no
> > problems/conflicts
> > with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows
> > XP,
> > it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects
> > the
> > external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the
> > drive
> > is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it
> > appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using
> > Vista
> > Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the
> > SATA during backups.
> > Any suggestions?
> > My system config:
> > Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram,
> > Kingwin
> > PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2.
> > I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure
> > with
> > a 320GB Western digital SATA II.

>
>
> earlgrey9:
> Following bootup with the external SATA HDD connected, access Device Manager
> and right-click on "Disk drives" and then "Scan for hardware changes". That
> might do the trick of detecting the drive.
>
> If not...
>
> I take it your SATA HDD is in an external enclosure that has both
> SATA-to-SATA connectivity as well as the USB interface, right? And the
> enclosure's SATA port is an eSATA port, right?
>
> I'm assuming that if you would *directly* connect the SATA HDD to one of the
> motherboard's SATA connectors there would be no problem. (Obviously the
> drive's source of power would come from a direct connection to your system's
> power supply).
>
> Anyway, since the external SATA HDD works while connected to an eSATA port
> on another PC we can assume there's no problem either with the drive nor the
> external enclosure.
>
> So that, of course, leaves the SATA controller card. We'll assume that you
> correctly connected the card & its drivers. What's the make & model of the
> card? Have you checked with the card's manufacturer (assuming there's a
> website available) to see if they could shed any light on the problem?
>
> Any chance of installing the card in your other machine to see what happens
> there?
>
> As an aside...over the years we've run into so many incompatibility problems
> with these SATA PCI controller cards that we're loathe to recommend them as
> a general proposition. Assuming we're dealing with a desktop machine we
> usually recommend an eSATA adapter along these lines...
> http://www.provantage.com/scripts/ca...tspecs/STRT0HA
> (That particular model is equipped with an internal power plug so that power
> to the SATA HDD can be supplied through the system's own PS. But there are
> other models that just have the SATA or eSATA port and power would be
> supplied through the external enclosure such as the one you have).
>
> What about trying another PCI slot?
>
> Anna
>
>
>

05-29-2008

On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:18:00 -0700, earlgrey9 <earlgrey@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Quote:

>Thank you for your thoughtful consideration

I usually don't do forums
>cause I can usually figure things out

>
>There was some other troubleshooting stuff I did, but did not want to be too
>long winded in my first post to this group

>
>I did try going into the device manager > SCSI and Raid Controllers> right
>click on Jmicron JMB36X controller> Scan for hardware changes. This did not
>work.
>I tried unplugging the eSATA cable and replugging it in to get autodetect to
>see it. No dice.
>
>-My SATA is in an external enclosure, with its own power supply. Looks like
>a regular ac adapter.
>-The enclosure has a switch and 2 connectors. 1 eSATA and 1 usb 2.0. Just
>flip switch to eSATA or USB and plug in the corresponding cable.
>
>-earlier I had the problematic mothrboard installed in my Vista machine and
>detection was ok under Vista, but flaky after vista SP1 was installed. I
>decided to buy another with a built in eSATA controller, thinking there might
>be a potential conflict between the onboard sata ports and the Kingwin
>controller card.
>
>Getting back to the current problem, I tried downloading drivers from 3
>sources. 1. Kingwin, 2. JMicron, 3. ASUS (I downloaded the driver for the
>motherboard that had the built in eSATA since it has the same JMicron chip
>and would likely use the same driver and interrupts. ) None of these drivers
>worked. I could get the computer to see the card, it would say "This device
>is working properly" but the card would not see a drive connected.
>
>-I remembered on some computers I've built in the past, a message just after
>POST that said something like "press F _ to load 3rd party Raid drivers" But
>apparenty I don't have that option for this motherboard.
>If I try running the raid setup software from windows XP, it says no raid
>drives detected.
>
>-If I go into BIOS setup, I only see the local SATA drives.
>
>-I only have one pci express x4 slot, the other express slot is x16 for
>the display adapter so I am stuck with this slot.
>
>-Here's another stray thought I had, if I bought a SATA card with eSATA
>ports, and disabled the onboard SATA controller, would I have better luck?
>What do you think?
>
> I think I am agreeing with your statement on compatability problems and pci
>cards.
>I will look at the link you gave me...
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>Jn 3.16
>
>
>"Anna" wrote:
>

Quote:

>>
>> "earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> >I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently
>> >installed
>> > a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses
>> > the
>> > jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot.
>> > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no
>> > problems/conflicts
>> > with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows
>> > XP,
>> > it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects
>> > the
>> > external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the
>> > drive
>> > is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it
>> > appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using
>> > Vista
>> > Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the
>> > SATA during backups.
>> > Any suggestions?
>> > My system config:
>> > Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram,
>> > Kingwin
>> > PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2.
>> > I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure
>> > with
>> > a 320GB Western digital SATA II.

>>
>>
>> earlgrey9:
>> Following bootup with the external SATA HDD connected, access Device Manager
>> and right-click on "Disk drives" and then "Scan for hardware changes". That
>> might do the trick of detecting the drive.
>>
>> If not...
>>
>> I take it your SATA HDD is in an external enclosure that has both
>> SATA-to-SATA connectivity as well as the USB interface, right? And the
>> enclosure's SATA port is an eSATA port, right?
>>
>> I'm assuming that if you would *directly* connect the SATA HDD to one of the
>> motherboard's SATA connectors there would be no problem. (Obviously the
>> drive's source of power would come from a direct connection to your system's
>> power supply).
>>
>> Anyway, since the external SATA HDD works while connected to an eSATA port
>> on another PC we can assume there's no problem either with the drive nor the
>> external enclosure.
>>
>> So that, of course, leaves the SATA controller card. We'll assume that you
>> correctly connected the card & its drivers. What's the make & model of the
>> card? Have you checked with the card's manufacturer (assuming there's a
>> website available) to see if they could shed any light on the problem?
>>
>> Any chance of installing the card in your other machine to see what happens
>> there?
>>
>> As an aside...over the years we've run into so many incompatibility problems
>> with these SATA PCI controller cards that we're loathe to recommend them as
>> a general proposition. Assuming we're dealing with a desktop machine we
>> usually recommend an eSATA adapter along these lines...
>> http://www.provantage.com/scripts/ca...tspecs/STRT0HA
>> (That particular model is equipped with an internal power plug so that power
>> to the SATA HDD can be supplied through the system's own PS. But there are
>> other models that just have the SATA or eSATA port and power would be
>> supplied through the external enclosure such as the one you have).
>>
>> What about trying another PCI slot?
>>
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>

Here's what I've done:
1) I have settings in the BIOS to allow me to run SATA drives in
either RAID-mode, AHCI-mode, or IDE-mode. I chose to use IDE
emulation, when I was unable to install XP in RAID mode without using
the floppy I received with my computer which contained the RAID
driver, since my machine has no floppy drive. In fact, my Intel
motherboard doesn't even have an option to use a floppy -- no floppy
controller or connector on the motherboard.
2) I also installed Vista in IDE-emulation mode, and have had little
trouble since, other than the eSATA drive disappearing after running
for an hour or more.

Both SATA drives (the internal as well as the external) are running at
DMA 6. And I can run Windows completely from the eSATA drive, if I
choose. There is a small pause each time I access the eSATA when
running it as boot device, but the pause is almost imperceptible.

Don't know if this will help, but I hope it does.

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original newsgroup and thread.
========================================================

05-31-2008

Hi,

I think you will find that this is a known issue with ASUS MB's. A
workaround is available at this link,
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

Good luck.

"earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx

Quote:

> I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently
> installed
> a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses
> the
> jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot.
> Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no
> problems/conflicts
> with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows
> XP,
> it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects
> the
> external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the
> drive
> is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it
> appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using
> Vista
> Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the
> SATA during backups.
> Any suggestions?
> My system config:
> Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram,
> Kingwin
> PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2.
> I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure
> with
> a 320GB Western digital SATA II.
>
>
> --
> Jn 3.16
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> No annoyance. The thread went on and on and explored all the ins and
>> outs
>> of booting and installing Windows with BIOS changes, etc. There just
>> isn't
>> anything new I have to add. Most of the dialog was between you and
>> another
>> fella and I mostly listened in.
>>
>> "Anna" <myname@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23XcmSoxrIHA.2520@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> >
>> >>>> "Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:xn0fptvogh4c6h002@xxxxxx
>> >>>>> Assuming you are responding to my point about eSATA connections on
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> laptop I would certainly be interested to know which laptops have
>> >>>>> them. My Lenovo R50e certainly doesn't!
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Jeff Gaines
>> >>>>> Damerham Hampshire UK
>> >
>> >
>> >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >>> news:8196115D-8137-4DB2-A2FD-E5D62D9B53BD@xxxxxx
>> >>>> For laptops without a eSATA port but with an ExpressCard/34 slot,
>> >>>> there
>> >>>> are several adaptors like:
>> >>>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GPS702e3W6/
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16839113007
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For laptops with eSATA onboard see for example the ASUS C90S (click
>> >>>> on
>> >>>> the specs link below the thumbnails):
>> >>>> http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/spec/spec_C90S.asp
>> >>>> Or if you prefer the specs on the ASUS site (I hate the slowness of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> ASUS site some days):
>> >>>> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...41&modelmenu=2
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There are some others but all I know of are gaming laptops so far.
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> have not tried booting off a hard drive connected to one of these
>> >>>> onboard ports like on the C90S because I don't have a laptop so
>> >>>> equipped but it should work. I know it is more of a problem booting
>> >>>> off of a hard drive connected to an eSATA ExpressCard adaptor,
>> >>>> however.
>> >
>> >
>> >> "Anna" <myname@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23svdV$vrIHA.672@xxxxxx
>> >>> Jeff & Colin:
>> >>> Notebooks equipped with an eSATA port are indeed a rare commodity. To
>> >>> >>
>> >>> the best of my knowledge ASUS is the only major player that has
>> >>> released
>> >>> a >> few models with an eSATA port. I'm not aware of Acer, Dell,
>> >>> Gateway, Compaq, Sony, etc. having *any* models with an eSATA port.
>> >>> If
>> >>> they're out >> there, they're few & far between, that's for sure.
>> >>> More's
>> >>> the pity, of course.
>> >>>
>> >>> Some time ago I had occasion to work with one of the ASUS notebooks
>> >>> that
>> >>> >> came equipped with an eSATA port (I can't recall the model #) and
>> >>> we
>> >>> were able to boot from that port with a SATA HDD that had been the
>> >>> recipient of the cloned contents of the notebook's internal HDD. That
>> >>> was no surprise, of course, since every eSATA port that we've worked
>> >>> with on various desktop PCs have proven to be "bootable". (For that
>> >>> matter it really makes *no* difference whether the port is a "normal"
>> >>> SATA one or an eSATA one). A bootable external SATA HDD connected to
>> >>> either type of port will >> boot. Obviously we're talking about
>> >>> motherboards that support SATA capability.
>> >>>
>> >>> We have never been able to boot from a CardBus (a/k/a PCMCIA)
>> >>> equipped
>> >>> >> with either a SATA or eSATA port. We've concluded that it's just
>> >>> not
>> >>> a bootable device.
>> >>>
>> >>> As I mentioned in my previous post, we're still experimenting with
>> >>> various ExpressCard devices to determine their potential
>> >>> "bootability".
>> >>> Every one we've come across is equipped with an eSATA port and
>> >>> they're
>> >>> supposed to provide boot capability. However, our experience has been
>> >>> mixed to date although we were able to boot from a SATA HDD connected
>> >>> to
>> >>> an Addonics eSATA ExpressCard.
>> >>>
>> >>> Colin, if you've had any direct experience with an eSATA ExpressCard
>> >>> I'd
>> >>> like to hear about it.
>> >>> Anna
>> >
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:E9E07530-63B6-4F16-9C18-7D27381CA8E7@xxxxxx
>> >> We had this conversation a month or more ago. Remember? I don't have
>> >> any > new reason to revisit it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Colin:
>> > No, I really don't recall our "conversation a month or more ago". But
>> > do I
>> > detect a note of annoyance in your response? If so, may I ask why?
>> > Anna
>> >

>>

05-31-2008

Rutetuti wrote:

Quote:

> Hi,
>
> I think you will find that this is a known issue with ASUS MB's. A
> workaround is available at this link,
> http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
>
>
> Good luck.
>

I reviewed the hardware setup of "earlgrey9", and he has the following.

These are on the P5K-VM motherboard.

ICH9
4 SATA ports, manual is unclear about AHCI support (bios options not mentioned)
Jmicron
JMB20368 PCI Express to PATA Host Controller (controls one PATA connector on motherboard)

He has added an extra card. PCI Express based. He doesn't say
what the card is. It could be based on a JMB20366 for example
A JMB20366 would give 2 PATA and 2 SATA ports. The different
chips might be covered by a 2036X driver.

This Startech card is an example.

http://www.startech.com/item-downloa...ller-Card.aspx

The Startech manual says to press <control-J> while in the BIOS,
to access the RAID BIOS on the Startech card. In there, you may
see the ESATA drive being detected. (You shouldn't have to
touch the single drive, or set it up as a RAID volume. Looking
in the RAID BIOS screen, if you can get there, is purely to
see whether the BIOS sees the drive.)

Startech seems to use a RAID driver for the card, so it is possible
that AHCI mode and a non-RAID prepared drive, would be picked up by that
driver. In some previous posts, people have been using ACHI
drivers to get hot-plug working on SATA. Since Jmicron doesn't
offer such a thing, either they expect it to come from the
Microsoft default driver, or via the Jmicron RAID driver. And
I don't know of a way to verify what capabilities exist with
either of those drivers. The Startech driver package has a
"jraid.sys" and that might be the driver associated with the
ESATA port.

So, some more details, such as the PCI Express card used,
the chip number if it is visible, and what driver files are
associated with the ESATA port, might shed more light on the
problem of "hot-plug" failure.

Paul

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Anna n/a posts	Re: eSATA Drive Question "earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx Quote: >I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently >installed > a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses > the > jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot. > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no > problems/conflicts > with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows > XP, > it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects > the > external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the > drive > is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it > appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using > Vista > Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the > SATA during backups. > Any suggestions? > My system config: > Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram, > Kingwin > PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2. > I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure > with > a 320GB Western digital SATA II. earlgrey9: Following bootup with the external SATA HDD connected, access Device Manager and right-click on "Disk drives" and then "Scan for hardware changes". That might do the trick of detecting the drive. If not... I take it your SATA HDD is in an external enclosure that has both SATA-to-SATA connectivity as well as the USB interface, right? And the enclosure's SATA port is an eSATA port, right? I'm assuming that if you would directly connect the SATA HDD to one of the motherboard's SATA connectors there would be no problem. (Obviously the drive's source of power would come from a direct connection to your system's power supply). Anyway, since the external SATA HDD works while connected to an eSATA port on another PC we can assume there's no problem either with the drive nor the external enclosure. So that, of course, leaves the SATA controller card. We'll assume that you correctly connected the card & its drivers. What's the make & model of the card? Have you checked with the card's manufacturer (assuming there's a website available) to see if they could shed any light on the problem? Any chance of installing the card in your other machine to see what happens there? As an aside...over the years we've run into so many incompatibility problems with these SATA PCI controller cards that we're loathe to recommend them as a general proposition. Assuming we're dealing with a desktop machine we usually recommend an eSATA adapter along these lines... http://www.provantage.com/scripts/ca...tspecs/STRT0HA (That particular model is equipped with an internal power plug so that power to the SATA HDD can be supplied through the system's own PS. But there are other models that just have the SATA or eSATA port and power would be supplied through the external enclosure such as the one you have). What about trying another PCI slot? Anna
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05-28-2008	#32 (permalink)
andy n/a posts	Re: eSATA Drive Question On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:21:00 -0700, earlgrey9 <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently installed >a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses the >jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot. >Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no problems/conflicts I assume the driver you downloaded and installed was not U2PCI-2.exe, because it contains the driver for the SiI 3x12 chip. Quote: >with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows XP, >it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects the >external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the drive >is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it >appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using Vista >Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the >SATA during backups. >Any suggestions? >My system config: >Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram, Kingwin >PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2. >I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure with >a 320GB Western digital SATA II.
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05-28-2008	#33 (permalink)
earlgrey9 n/a posts	Re: eSATA Drive Question Thank you for your thoughtful consideration I usually don't do forums cause I can usually figure things out There was some other troubleshooting stuff I did, but did not want to be too long winded in my first post to this group I did try going into the device manager > SCSI and Raid Controllers> right click on Jmicron JMB36X controller> Scan for hardware changes. This did not work. I tried unplugging the eSATA cable and replugging it in to get autodetect to see it. No dice. -My SATA is in an external enclosure, with its own power supply. Looks like a regular ac adapter. -The enclosure has a switch and 2 connectors. 1 eSATA and 1 usb 2.0. Just flip switch to eSATA or USB and plug in the corresponding cable. -earlier I had the problematic mothrboard installed in my Vista machine and detection was ok under Vista, but flaky after vista SP1 was installed. I decided to buy another with a built in eSATA controller, thinking there might be a potential conflict between the onboard sata ports and the Kingwin controller card. Getting back to the current problem, I tried downloading drivers from 3 sources. 1. Kingwin, 2. JMicron, 3. ASUS (I downloaded the driver for the motherboard that had the built in eSATA since it has the same JMicron chip and would likely use the same driver and interrupts. ) None of these drivers worked. I could get the computer to see the card, it would say "This device is working properly" but the card would not see a drive connected. -I remembered on some computers I've built in the past, a message just after POST that said something like "press F _ to load 3rd party Raid drivers" But apparenty I don't have that option for this motherboard. If I try running the raid setup software from windows XP, it says no raid drives detected. -If I go into BIOS setup, I only see the local SATA drives. -I only have one pci express x4 slot, the other express slot is x16 for the display adapter so I am stuck with this slot. -Here's another stray thought I had, if I bought a SATA card with eSATA ports, and disabled the onboard SATA controller, would I have better luck? What do you think? I think I am agreeing with your statement on compatability problems and pci cards. I will look at the link you gave me... Thanks! Jn 3.16 "Anna" wrote: Quote: > > "earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx Quote: > >I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently > >installed > > a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses > > the > > jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot. > > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no > > problems/conflicts > > with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows > > XP, > > it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects > > the > > external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the > > drive > > is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it > > appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using > > Vista > > Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the > > SATA during backups. > > Any suggestions? > > My system config: > > Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram, > > Kingwin > > PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2. > > I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure > > with > > a 320GB Western digital SATA II. > > > earlgrey9: > Following bootup with the external SATA HDD connected, access Device Manager > and right-click on "Disk drives" and then "Scan for hardware changes". That > might do the trick of detecting the drive. > > If not... > > I take it your SATA HDD is in an external enclosure that has both > SATA-to-SATA connectivity as well as the USB interface, right? And the > enclosure's SATA port is an eSATA port, right? > > I'm assuming that if you would directly connect the SATA HDD to one of the > motherboard's SATA connectors there would be no problem. (Obviously the > drive's source of power would come from a direct connection to your system's > power supply). > > Anyway, since the external SATA HDD works while connected to an eSATA port > on another PC we can assume there's no problem either with the drive nor the > external enclosure. > > So that, of course, leaves the SATA controller card. We'll assume that you > correctly connected the card & its drivers. What's the make & model of the > card? Have you checked with the card's manufacturer (assuming there's a > website available) to see if they could shed any light on the problem? > > Any chance of installing the card in your other machine to see what happens > there? > > As an aside...over the years we've run into so many incompatibility problems > with these SATA PCI controller cards that we're loathe to recommend them as > a general proposition. Assuming we're dealing with a desktop machine we > usually recommend an eSATA adapter along these lines... > http://www.provantage.com/scripts/ca...tspecs/STRT0HA > (That particular model is equipped with an internal power plug so that power > to the SATA HDD can be supplied through the system's own PS. But there are > other models that just have the SATA or eSATA port and power would be > supplied through the external enclosure such as the one you have). > > What about trying another PCI slot? > > Anna > > >
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05-29-2008	#34 (permalink)
Donald L McDaniel n/a posts	Re: eSATA Drive Question On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:18:00 -0700, earlgrey9 <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Thank you for your thoughtful consideration I usually don't do forums >cause I can usually figure things out > >There was some other troubleshooting stuff I did, but did not want to be too >long winded in my first post to this group > >I did try going into the device manager > SCSI and Raid Controllers> right >click on Jmicron JMB36X controller> Scan for hardware changes. This did not >work. >I tried unplugging the eSATA cable and replugging it in to get autodetect to >see it. No dice. > >-My SATA is in an external enclosure, with its own power supply. Looks like >a regular ac adapter. >-The enclosure has a switch and 2 connectors. 1 eSATA and 1 usb 2.0. Just >flip switch to eSATA or USB and plug in the corresponding cable. > >-earlier I had the problematic mothrboard installed in my Vista machine and >detection was ok under Vista, but flaky after vista SP1 was installed. I >decided to buy another with a built in eSATA controller, thinking there might >be a potential conflict between the onboard sata ports and the Kingwin >controller card. > >Getting back to the current problem, I tried downloading drivers from 3 >sources. 1. Kingwin, 2. JMicron, 3. ASUS (I downloaded the driver for the >motherboard that had the built in eSATA since it has the same JMicron chip >and would likely use the same driver and interrupts. ) None of these drivers >worked. I could get the computer to see the card, it would say "This device >is working properly" but the card would not see a drive connected. > >-I remembered on some computers I've built in the past, a message just after >POST that said something like "press F _ to load 3rd party Raid drivers" But >apparenty I don't have that option for this motherboard. >If I try running the raid setup software from windows XP, it says no raid >drives detected. > >-If I go into BIOS setup, I only see the local SATA drives. > >-I only have one pci express x4 slot, the other express slot is x16 for >the display adapter so I am stuck with this slot. > >-Here's another stray thought I had, if I bought a SATA card with eSATA >ports, and disabled the onboard SATA controller, would I have better luck? >What do you think? > > I think I am agreeing with your statement on compatability problems and pci >cards. >I will look at the link you gave me... > >Thanks! > > > >Jn 3.16 > > >"Anna" wrote: > Quote: >> >> "earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx Quote: >> >I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently >> >installed >> > a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses >> > the >> > jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot. >> > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no >> > problems/conflicts >> > with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows >> > XP, >> > it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects >> > the >> > external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the >> > drive >> > is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it >> > appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using >> > Vista >> > Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the >> > SATA during backups. >> > Any suggestions? >> > My system config: >> > Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram, >> > Kingwin >> > PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2. >> > I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure >> > with >> > a 320GB Western digital SATA II. >> >> >> earlgrey9: >> Following bootup with the external SATA HDD connected, access Device Manager >> and right-click on "Disk drives" and then "Scan for hardware changes". That >> might do the trick of detecting the drive. >> >> If not... >> >> I take it your SATA HDD is in an external enclosure that has both >> SATA-to-SATA connectivity as well as the USB interface, right? And the >> enclosure's SATA port is an eSATA port, right? >> >> I'm assuming that if you would directly connect the SATA HDD to one of the >> motherboard's SATA connectors there would be no problem. (Obviously the >> drive's source of power would come from a direct connection to your system's >> power supply). >> >> Anyway, since the external SATA HDD works while connected to an eSATA port >> on another PC we can assume there's no problem either with the drive nor the >> external enclosure. >> >> So that, of course, leaves the SATA controller card. We'll assume that you >> correctly connected the card & its drivers. What's the make & model of the >> card? Have you checked with the card's manufacturer (assuming there's a >> website available) to see if they could shed any light on the problem? >> >> Any chance of installing the card in your other machine to see what happens >> there? >> >> As an aside...over the years we've run into so many incompatibility problems >> with these SATA PCI controller cards that we're loathe to recommend them as >> a general proposition. Assuming we're dealing with a desktop machine we >> usually recommend an eSATA adapter along these lines... >> http://www.provantage.com/scripts/ca...tspecs/STRT0HA >> (That particular model is equipped with an internal power plug so that power >> to the SATA HDD can be supplied through the system's own PS. But there are >> other models that just have the SATA or eSATA port and power would be >> supplied through the external enclosure such as the one you have). >> >> What about trying another PCI slot? >> >> Anna >> >> >> Here's what I've done: 1) I have settings in the BIOS to allow me to run SATA drives in either RAID-mode, AHCI-mode, or IDE-mode. I chose to use IDE emulation, when I was unable to install XP in RAID mode without using the floppy I received with my computer which contained the RAID driver, since my machine has no floppy drive. In fact, my Intel motherboard doesn't even have an option to use a floppy -- no floppy controller or connector on the motherboard. 2) I also installed Vista in IDE-emulation mode, and have had little trouble since, other than the eSATA drive disappearing after running for an hour or more. Both SATA drives (the internal as well as the external) are running at DMA 6. And I can run Windows completely from the eSATA drive, if I choose. There is a small pause each time I access the eSATA when running it as boot device, but the pause is almost imperceptible. Don't know if this will help, but I hope it does. Donald L McDaniel Please reply to the original newsgroup and thread. ========================================================
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05-31-2008	#35 (permalink)
Rutetuti n/a posts	Re: eSATA Drive Question Hi, I think you will find that this is a known issue with ASUS MB's. A workaround is available at this link, http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us Good luck. "earlgrey9" <earlgrey@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:807CBE60-F070-4CE9-B1F8-23C00869C0B5@xxxxxx Quote: > I am having an eSATA detection problem with my computer. recently > installed > a new motherboard, and an add on eSATA host controller card ,(This uses > the > jMicron JMB363 chip)- this card is plugged into the pci express x 4 slot. > Anyway, I downloaded and installed the drivers, I see no > problems/conflicts > with the host controller when I look at the hardware manager in windows > XP, > it says the device is working properly. Unfortunately, it never detects > the > external SATA when I plug it in. However, if I plug it into USB, the > drive > is detected no problem. When I plug this drive into my other computer it > appears to work fine (The eSATA is on the motherboard and I am using > Vista > Home premium on this computer). It would be nice to use the speed of the > SATA during backups. > Any suggestions? > My system config: > Windows XP SP3, ASUS P5K-VM motherboard, Core 2 duo E4500, 2GB ram, > Kingwin > PCI express to 2 SATA II and 1 PATA host controller model U2PCI-2. > I am using is a Thermaltake Silver River Duo A2396 hard drive enclosure > with > a 320GB Western digital SATA II. > > > -- > Jn 3.16 > > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > Quote: >> No annoyance. The thread went on and on and explored all the ins and >> outs >> of booting and installing Windows with BIOS changes, etc. There just >> isn't >> anything new I have to add. Most of the dialog was between you and >> another >> fella and I mostly listened in. >> >> "Anna" <myname@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:%23XcmSoxrIHA.2520@xxxxxx Quote: >> > >> >>>> "Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> >>>> news:xn0fptvogh4c6h002@xxxxxx >> >>>>> Assuming you are responding to my point about eSATA connections on >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> laptop I would certainly be interested to know which laptops have >> >>>>> them. My Lenovo R50e certainly doesn't! >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Jeff Gaines >> >>>>> Damerham Hampshire UK >> > >> > >> >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> >>> news:8196115D-8137-4DB2-A2FD-E5D62D9B53BD@xxxxxx >> >>>> For laptops without a eSATA port but with an ExpressCard/34 slot, >> >>>> there >> >>>> are several adaptors like: >> >>>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GPS702e3W6/ >> >>>> or >> >>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16839113007 >> >>>> >> >>>> For laptops with eSATA onboard see for example the ASUS C90S (click >> >>>> on >> >>>> the specs link below the thumbnails): >> >>>> http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/spec/spec_C90S.asp >> >>>> Or if you prefer the specs on the ASUS site (I hate the slowness of >> >>>> the >> >>>> ASUS site some days): >> >>>> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...41&modelmenu=2 >> >>>> >> >>>> There are some others but all I know of are gaming laptops so far. >> >>>> I >> >>>> have not tried booting off a hard drive connected to one of these >> >>>> onboard ports like on the C90S because I don't have a laptop so >> >>>> equipped but it should work. I know it is more of a problem booting >> >>>> off of a hard drive connected to an eSATA ExpressCard adaptor, >> >>>> however. >> > >> > >> >> "Anna" <myname@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> >> news:%23svdV$vrIHA.672@xxxxxx >> >>> Jeff & Colin: >> >>> Notebooks equipped with an eSATA port are indeed a rare commodity. To >> >>> >> >> >>> the best of my knowledge ASUS is the only major player that has >> >>> released >> >>> a >> few models with an eSATA port. I'm not aware of Acer, Dell, >> >>> Gateway, Compaq, Sony, etc. having any models with an eSATA port. >> >>> If >> >>> they're out >> there, they're few & far between, that's for sure. >> >>> More's >> >>> the pity, of course. >> >>> >> >>> Some time ago I had occasion to work with one of the ASUS notebooks >> >>> that >> >>> >> came equipped with an eSATA port (I can't recall the model #) and >> >>> we >> >>> were able to boot from that port with a SATA HDD that had been the >> >>> recipient of the cloned contents of the notebook's internal HDD. That >> >>> was no surprise, of course, since every eSATA port that we've worked >> >>> with on various desktop PCs have proven to be "bootable". (For that >> >>> matter it really makes no difference whether the port is a "normal" >> >>> SATA one or an eSATA one). A bootable external SATA HDD connected to >> >>> either type of port will >> boot. Obviously we're talking about >> >>> motherboards that support SATA capability. >> >>> >> >>> We have never been able to boot from a CardBus (a/k/a PCMCIA) >> >>> equipped >> >>> >> with either a SATA or eSATA port. We've concluded that it's just >> >>> not >> >>> a bootable device. >> >>> >> >>> As I mentioned in my previous post, we're still experimenting with >> >>> various ExpressCard devices to determine their potential >> >>> "bootability". >> >>> Every one we've come across is equipped with an eSATA port and >> >>> they're >> >>> supposed to provide boot capability. However, our experience has been >> >>> mixed to date although we were able to boot from a SATA HDD connected >> >>> to >> >>> an Addonics eSATA ExpressCard. >> >>> >> >>> Colin, if you've had any direct experience with an eSATA ExpressCard >> >>> I'd >> >>> like to hear about it. >> >>> Anna >> > >> > >> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> > news:E9E07530-63B6-4F16-9C18-7D27381CA8E7@xxxxxx >> >> We had this conversation a month or more ago. Remember? I don't have >> >> any > new reason to revisit it. >> > >> > >> > Colin: >> > No, I really don't recall our "conversation a month or more ago". But >> > do I >> > detect a note of annoyance in your response? If so, may I ask why? >> > Anna >> > >>
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05-31-2008	#36 (permalink)
Paul n/a posts	Re: eSATA Drive Question Rutetuti wrote: Quote: > Hi, > > I think you will find that this is a known issue with ASUS MB's. A > workaround is available at this link, > http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us > > > Good luck. > I reviewed the hardware setup of "earlgrey9", and he has the following. These are on the P5K-VM motherboard. ICH9 4 SATA ports, manual is unclear about AHCI support (bios options not mentioned) Jmicron JMB20368 PCI Express to PATA Host Controller (controls one PATA connector on motherboard) He has added an extra card. PCI Express based. He doesn't say what the card is. It could be based on a JMB20366 for example A JMB20366 would give 2 PATA and 2 SATA ports. The different chips might be covered by a 2036X driver. This Startech card is an example. http://www.startech.com/item-downloa...ller-Card.aspx The Startech manual says to press <control-J> while in the BIOS, to access the RAID BIOS on the Startech card. In there, you may see the ESATA drive being detected. (You shouldn't have to touch the single drive, or set it up as a RAID volume. Looking in the RAID BIOS screen, if you can get there, is purely to see whether the BIOS sees the drive.) Startech seems to use a RAID driver for the card, so it is possible that AHCI mode and a non-RAID prepared drive, would be picked up by that driver. In some previous posts, people have been using ACHI drivers to get hot-plug working on SATA. Since Jmicron doesn't offer such a thing, either they expect it to come from the Microsoft default driver, or via the Jmicron RAID driver. And I don't know of a way to verify what capabilities exist with either of those drivers. The Startech driver package has a "jraid.sys" and that might be the driver associated with the ESATA port. So, some more details, such as the PCI Express card used, the chip number if it is visible, and what driver files are associated with the ESATA port, might shed more light on the problem of "hot-plug" failure. Paul
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