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Old 11-23-2008   #1 (permalink)


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Vista x64; 4GB RAM Issue

Hello everyone, first post on this forum.

My problem is this:

I recently bought (2x) 2GB [4GB] Kingston HyperX DDR2 PC5300 667MHz Performance Modules for my notebook computer, I have EVERYTHING updated (I am a "update" freak). I took out the preinstalled Hyundai (2x) 512MB [1GB] modules and pop in both Kingston modules without a problem, I turn on my computer and the main BIOS boot doesn't show...I restart it the 2nd time, and everything boots up normally until I get to the "Aurora" boot screen (I have the standard "Microsoft Corporation" boot disabled). I notice that the bottem-half of the screen becomes pixalated with weird colors and "scroll" down to bottem. It then proceeds to boot into the log-on screen without further problems until I sit to wait for something else weird to happen...which indeed does happen, a section of a square hovering over the blue "arrow" button becomes pixalated with weird colors and "scroll" down like on the boot screen. I sign in and then for probably about 15 seconds the screen becomes "50-50" pixalated with weird colors and the normal Vista desktop with no fugginess. I then get the BSOD shortly after that which never gives me a chance to read it since it quickly reboots.

Here are the things I have tried already:

1) Insert 2GB stick in and go to MSCONFIG Boot options and set Maximum Memory to 2048 and restart the computer then shut down again and insert the 2nd 2GB stick and boot up. I then get bunch of weird mixed results in both Safe Mode and Normal Mode as if I can barely get into "Normal Mode" without the "Glowing Orb" freezing or signing in and then quickly getting BSOD. I get into Safe Mode and then get the "50-50" deal on me but can see through half the "good side" of Vista and manage to get into MSCONFIG to set Maximum Memory to 3072MB and then restart the computer, but when its "Shutting Down" the orb stops and it just hangs. (I have the quickly go through all that before the computer freezes but never enough time to make "Shutting Down" 100% complete)

2) I have 2GB stick in and I download this program called Vista Boot Pro 3.3, I go to Advanced settings and set the Physical Memory level 3900MB [I have read people having success with this on the Microsoft TechNet Forums] and then shut computer off and insert 2nd 2GB stick, I manage to boot up perfectly fine, but then realize Vista is detecting all 4GB RAM in both System Properties and System Information but only using 1GB (895 Used/211MB Free). I restart the computer and then Vista stops booting in all the way. I am forced to reinstall Vista with 2GB installed.

3) I have read that if you reinstall KB929777, it'll fix the 4GB issue. But seeing as I am using Vista x64 with SP1 x64 slipstreamed, SP1 already has the fix integrated so there is NO WAY to "reinstall" the fix. I have thought about using my standard Vista x64 RTM DVD and reinstall but I can NEVER get SP1 to download completely or install, both Windows Update and Standalone Installer. Both 32 and 64 bits. I have NO clue why. I always get errors.

My notebook specifications are as followed:

2008 HP Compaq Presario C762NR
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium x64
Intel Mobile Pentium Dual-Core T2370 (1.73GHz/533MHz/x64 EM64T Processor)
Intel GMA X3100 (128MB-512MB- RAM/256MB-1GB RAM/384MB-2GB+ RAM)
Intel Mobile GM965 Express Chipset
HP InsydeH20 BIOS F.34 (September 2008)
Hitachi 5400RPM 160GB HD
Atheros AR5007B/G WiFi
Kingston HyperX DDR2 PC5300 2GB 667MHz (4GB Dual-Channel Kit)

YES YES I know! Hewlett-Packard says that my model "only" supports 2GB RAM...WRONG! it supports MORE! People have been getting 2.5GB and 3GB RAM working on here, but HP released BIOS F.31 which claims to have fixed the 3GB/4GB issue for both 32 and 64-bit Vistas respectively.

My BIOS detects both 2GB sticks in with 4096MB and my VRAM increases from 256MB to 384MB at same time.

If I'm able to boot this far into Vista with 4GB in certain scenarios then there MUST be a way to fix this problem as I am running Vista x64.



[Edit]: I do NOT have any options in my BIOS to adjust RAM stuff. BOTH modules work when inserted by themselves in BOTH RAM slots, so my RAM is not faulty.


Last edited by SilentSkies2889; 11-23-2008 at 06:56 AM..
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Old 11-24-2008   #2 (permalink)


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Re: Vista x64; 4GB RAM Issue

Common practice is to clear the CMOS when changing memory. I have seen issues all the way from no POST to errors in Windows if CMOS isn't cleared, and Optimized Defaults loaded, then tweaks done. If you can't clear the CMOS, then your machine may nt be capable of being upgraded. I know there are plenty of folks out there that will think, horse pucky. I've never had to clear the CMOS, and I don't have problems. They are right, however, they are playing the odds. Ignorance is bliss, until something goes wrong. If you can clear the CMOS, then you might as well try it. If you are not comfortable making changes in the BIOS, then leave it alone and try other things. Either way, good luck. I know from plenty of personal experiene how frustrating it can be getting our new upgrades to settle down and work.
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Old 11-24-2008   #3 (permalink)


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Re: Vista x64; 4GB RAM Issue

I am comfortable of changing stuff in BIOS but unfortunately, InsydeH20 Rev 3.0 doesn't offer much to do except do tests and disable and enable certain stuff. How do I clear CMOS? just wondering. Is there a combination of buttons etc etc? Just last night Vista refused to use 2560MB and only using 2GB instead of 2.5...I have no idea why and Vista is acting REALLY slow even though I clean and defrag my computer fairly often. I am in process of reinstalling Vista though. More help is much appreciated
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Old 11-25-2008   #4 (permalink)


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Re: Vista x64; 4GB RAM Issue

I have never worked on a laptop. You will have to do some research to find out how to do it. On a desktop motherboard, it is a two pin jumper on a three pin header. 1&2 is normal, 2&3 clears the CMOS.
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Old 11-25-2008   #5 (permalink)


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Re: Vista x64; 4GB RAM Issue

Oh, alright, I have been researching it, and was afraid of this showing up. I tried using Ultimate Boot CD 4.1.1 to clear CMOS, but it could never identify any of my hardware. I have just now finished setting up Vista after reinstalling and came up with an idea of getting 4GB working because I never had "Maximum Memory" turned off in MSCONFIG...might just be the problem. I'm trying it out soon.
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Old 06-13-2009   #6 (permalink)


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Re: Vista x64; 4GB RAM Issue

Please, post if you have solved this problem and give some details about the way you did it.

Thanks.
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Old 06-14-2009   #7 (permalink)


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Re: Vista x64; 4GB RAM Issue

For information purposes the manual for the HP C762NR states: "Supports up to 2GB"
HP G7000 Notebook PC and Compaq Presario C700 Notebook PC Maintenance and Service Guide, p2 (url: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01301275.pdf)

I wonder if the motherboard is in some way limited to addressing 32bits of address space. While 2^32 = 4294967296, i.e. 4G, the motherboard will still need to address various pieces of hardware as well as the memory, and as such may not have sufficient resources to support the 4GB of memory and the other hardware at the same time. Since a lot of manufacturers recommend pairing memory modules you would have 2x1GB=2GB and then 2x2GB=4GB. Thus since 4GB is not supported, 2GB must be the maximum that they support.

Interestingly, 2GB maximum RAM limit - Notebooks suggests that some other combination could be possible for some laptops. I guess you might get 2.5GB, maybe even 3GB into the laptop.

Anybody else got any thoughts?
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