Vista - Hardware still missing drivers support...

Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs are
not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of problems:


Creative XFi cards:
Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware acceleration
will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the people to OpenAL.
Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the soundcard software. Beta
drivers are available but I seriously doubt if they will put out reliable
drivers until months after release. I am only saying drivers, none of the
applications that came on the installation CDs will work with Vista and they
haven't done anything about that yet.

ATI:
AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out monthly
releases pretty routinely.

Logitech:
Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But no one
has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not hopeful at
all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff as I possibily can
at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards, mouse, and remotes......

Microsoft Hardware:
There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets (Intellitype
and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS claims to have beta
available in January, which is a month later then previously expected
according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by nWhite. But rumour has it that
a beta is available to Vista technical beta testers.........

Pantone Huey:
I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup over there
and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the response:
Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey on the
latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be fully
functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do not seem to
be accessible.

We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we will
have support for this operating system either at the time of its release, or
shortly thereafter.

So there is hope.

HP AIO Printers:
Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before 2nd
qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart C6180/5180.....
etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track records (like promising
drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and delivering in Aug 06). Not
having too much faith there.

Asus:
I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system overclocking and
monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine) have even beta out for
vista. The only thing that has beta out is the Wifi-AP software and even
that is just putting XP drivers in Vista directories, hardly a beta.......

Intel:
Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is available for
Vista as I type.


So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my Raptor
but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I guess next
year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like me........

The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups. YMMV
depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms are......
BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......

The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a host of
generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to put all
hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to create advanced
generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running out, and
the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till release date,
I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see a lot of completed
drivers showing up all over the place.

I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)

"mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs are
> not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of problems:
>
>
> Creative XFi cards:
> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the people
> to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the soundcard
> software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt if they will
> put out reliable drivers until months after release. I am only saying
> drivers, none of the applications that came on the installation CDs will
> work with Vista and they haven't done anything about that yet.
>
> ATI:
> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out monthly
> releases pretty routinely.
>
> Logitech:
> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But no one
> has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not hopeful
> at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff as I
> possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards, mouse,
> and remotes......
>
> Microsoft Hardware:
> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets (Intellitype
> and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS claims to have beta
> available in January, which is a month later then previously expected
> according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by nWhite. But rumour has it
> that a beta is available to Vista technical beta testers.........
>
> Pantone Huey:
> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup over
> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the response:
> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey on
> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be fully
> functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do not seem
> to be accessible.
>
> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we will
> have support for this operating system either at the time of its release,
> or shortly thereafter.
>
> So there is hope.
>
> HP AIO Printers:
> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before 2nd
> qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart C6180/5180.....
> etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track records (like promising
> drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and delivering in Aug 06). Not
> having too much faith there.
>
> Asus:
> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system overclocking
> and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine) have even beta out
> for vista. The only thing that has beta out is the Wifi-AP software and
> even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista directories, hardly a
> beta.......
>
> Intel:
> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is available
> for Vista as I type.
>
>
> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
> me........
>
> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups. YMMV
> depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms are......
> BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>

That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few months.
However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is not
out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE AFTER".
Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it is out or 6
months after......."


"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a host of
> generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to put all
> hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to create
> advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running out,
> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till release
> date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see a lot of
> completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>
> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>
> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs are
>> not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of problems:
>>
>>
>> Creative XFi cards:
>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the people
>> to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the soundcard
>> software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt if they will
>> put out reliable drivers until months after release. I am only saying
>> drivers, none of the applications that came on the installation CDs will
>> work with Vista and they haven't done anything about that yet.
>>
>> ATI:
>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out monthly
>> releases pretty routinely.
>>
>> Logitech:
>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But no
>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not
>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff as I
>> possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards, mouse,
>> and remotes......
>>
>> Microsoft Hardware:
>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets (Intellitype
>> and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS claims to have beta
>> available in January, which is a month later then previously expected
>> according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by nWhite. But rumour has it
>> that a beta is available to Vista technical beta testers.........
>>
>> Pantone Huey:
>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup over
>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the response:
>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey on
>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be fully
>> functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do not seem
>> to be accessible.
>>
>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we will
>> have support for this operating system either at the time of its release,
>> or shortly thereafter.
>>
>> So there is hope.
>>
>> HP AIO Printers:
>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before 2nd
>> qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart C6180/5180.....
>> etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track records (like
>> promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and delivering in Aug
>> 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>
>> Asus:
>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system overclocking
>> and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine) have even beta out
>> for vista. The only thing that has beta out is the Wifi-AP software and
>> even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista directories, hardly a
>> beta.......
>>
>> Intel:
>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is available
>> for Vista as I type.
>>
>>
>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
>> me........
>>
>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>
>

Hardware makers better have Vista drivers ready to go once Vista is
released to businesses, folks will by new hardware with the
expectation that it will work. If it doesn't they can expect to see a
lot of expensive returns.

Any hardware produced in the last three years should have a driver on
day one. Microsoft should ensure this, other wise it will hurt sales
of their product.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:48:41 +0800, "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam>
wrote:

>That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few months.
>However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is not
>out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE AFTER".
>Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it is out or 6
>months after......."
>
>
>"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a host of
>> generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to put all
>> hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to create
>> advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running out,
>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till release
>> date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see a lot of
>> completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>
>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>
>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs are
>>> not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of problems:
>>>
>>>
>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the people
>>> to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the soundcard
>>> software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt if they will
>>> put out reliable drivers until months after release. I am only saying
>>> drivers, none of the applications that came on the installation CDs will
>>> work with Vista and they haven't done anything about that yet.
>>>
>>> ATI:
>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out monthly
>>> releases pretty routinely.
>>>
>>> Logitech:
>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But no
>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not
>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff as I
>>> possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards, mouse,
>>> and remotes......
>>>
>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets (Intellitype
>>> and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS claims to have beta
>>> available in January, which is a month later then previously expected
>>> according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by nWhite. But rumour has it
>>> that a beta is available to Vista technical beta testers.........
>>>
>>> Pantone Huey:
>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup over
>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the response:
>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey on
>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be fully
>>> functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do not seem
>>> to be accessible.
>>>
>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we will
>>> have support for this operating system either at the time of its release,
>>> or shortly thereafter.
>>>
>>> So there is hope.
>>>
>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before 2nd
>>> qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart C6180/5180.....
>>> etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track records (like
>>> promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and delivering in Aug
>>> 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>
>>> Asus:
>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system overclocking
>>> and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine) have even beta out
>>> for vista. The only thing that has beta out is the Wifi-AP software and
>>> even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista directories, hardly a
>>> beta.......
>>>
>>> Intel:
>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is available
>>> for Vista as I type.
>>>
>>>
>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
>>> me........
>>>
>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>
>>
>

I'm sorry, I don't really know what to tell you other than to keep checking
with the manufacturers.

Sadly, with each new release of an operating system, you will have some
hardware and software manufacturers that will go above and beyond. Companies
like nVidia who really push the make-ready process, and you have companies
like HP, who will drag their feet to the very last minutes, and sometimes
too long.
Sadly, it is the perrogative of the manufacturer. Microsoft, I am sure is
doing all they can to try to help folks, but they are helpless when it comes
to the companies who create the drivers.

I'm in the same boat you are, I still have some equipment begging for
drivers, and most of my favorite software is useless right now. I just keep
on checking and hoping.

Wish I could be more help.

"mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:%23AUmAJgDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few months.
> However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is not
> out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE AFTER".
> Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it is out or 6
> months after......."
>
>
> "Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a host
>> of generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to put
>> all hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to create
>> advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running out,
>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till
>> release date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see a
>> lot of completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>
>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>
>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs
>>> are not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of
>>> problems:
>>>
>>>
>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the people
>>> to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the soundcard
>>> software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt if they will
>>> put out reliable drivers until months after release. I am only saying
>>> drivers, none of the applications that came on the installation CDs will
>>> work with Vista and they haven't done anything about that yet.
>>>
>>> ATI:
>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out
>>> monthly releases pretty routinely.
>>>
>>> Logitech:
>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But no
>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not
>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff as
>>> I possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards,
>>> mouse, and remotes......
>>>
>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets
>>> (Intellitype and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS claims
>>> to have beta available in January, which is a month later then
>>> previously expected according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by nWhite.
>>> But rumour has it that a beta is available to Vista technical beta
>>> testers.........
>>>
>>> Pantone Huey:
>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup over
>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the response:
>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey on
>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be
>>> fully functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do
>>> not seem to be accessible.
>>>
>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we
>>> will have support for this operating system either at the time of its
>>> release, or shortly thereafter.
>>>
>>> So there is hope.
>>>
>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before
>>> 2nd qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart
>>> C6180/5180..... etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track
>>> records (like promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and
>>> delivering in Aug 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>
>>> Asus:
>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system overclocking
>>> and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine) have even beta
>>> out for vista. The only thing that has beta out is the Wifi-AP software
>>> and even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista directories, hardly a
>>> beta.......
>>>
>>> Intel:
>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is available
>>> for Vista as I type.
>>>
>>>
>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
>>> me........
>>>
>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>
>>
>
>

Well we will just have to see which manufacturres really care about their
business customer users that are using their hardware on November 30th.
"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3FE1281E-625F-4A8C-8A18-844FBB1A6687@microsoft.com...
> I'm sorry, I don't really know what to tell you other than to keep
> checking with the manufacturers.
>
> Sadly, with each new release of an operating system, you will have some
> hardware and software manufacturers that will go above and beyond.
> Companies like nVidia who really push the make-ready process, and you have
> companies like HP, who will drag their feet to the very last minutes, and
> sometimes too long.
> Sadly, it is the perrogative of the manufacturer. Microsoft, I am sure is
> doing all they can to try to help folks, but they are helpless when it
> comes to the companies who create the drivers.
>
> I'm in the same boat you are, I still have some equipment begging for
> drivers, and most of my favorite software is useless right now. I just
> keep on checking and hoping.
>
> Wish I could be more help.
>
> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
> news:%23AUmAJgDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few months.
>> However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is
>> not out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE
>> AFTER". Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it is
>> out or 6 months after......."
>>
>>
>> "Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
>>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a host
>>> of generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to
>>> put all hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to
>>> create advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running out,
>>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till
>>> release date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see a
>>> lot of completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>>
>>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>>
>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs
>>>> are not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of
>>>> problems:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the
>>>> people to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the
>>>> soundcard software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt
>>>> if they will put out reliable drivers until months after release. I am
>>>> only saying drivers, none of the applications that came on the
>>>> installation CDs will work with Vista and they haven't done anything
>>>> about that yet.
>>>>
>>>> ATI:
>>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out
>>>> monthly releases pretty routinely.
>>>>
>>>> Logitech:
>>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But no
>>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not
>>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff as
>>>> I possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards,
>>>> mouse, and remotes......
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets
>>>> (Intellitype and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS claims
>>>> to have beta available in January, which is a month later then
>>>> previously expected according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by nWhite.
>>>> But rumour has it that a beta is available to Vista technical beta
>>>> testers.........
>>>>
>>>> Pantone Huey:
>>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup over
>>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the
>>>> response:
>>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey on
>>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be
>>>> fully functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do
>>>> not seem to be accessible.
>>>>
>>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we
>>>> will have support for this operating system either at the time of its
>>>> release, or shortly thereafter.
>>>>
>>>> So there is hope.
>>>>
>>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before
>>>> 2nd qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart
>>>> C6180/5180..... etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track
>>>> records (like promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and
>>>> delivering in Aug 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>>
>>>> Asus:
>>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system
>>>> overclocking and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine)
>>>> have even beta out for vista. The only thing that has beta out is the
>>>> Wifi-AP software and even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista
>>>> directories, hardly a beta.......
>>>>
>>>> Intel:
>>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is
>>>> available for Vista as I type.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
>>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
>>>> me........
>>>>
>>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

It almost seems like it would be in hardware makers' best interest NOT
to release Vista drivers for legacy hardware. This will force users
to buy shiny new "Vista Compatible" hardware. Of course they risk
alienating loyal users at the same time.

Betas of Vista have been available for a year or more, you would think
the hardware makers would have their drivers ready to go at RTM time.
They probably wait until RTM to start development. Even nVidia seems
to be in a sorry state, their Vista video drivers are terrible
performance wise and they don't even have a driver for their flagship
8800 product.

Total lack of x64 drivers killed XP x64. Hopefully we'll see this
change since just about all new PCs are x64 capable.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:31:53 -0800, "JW" <nospam@no.spam> wrote:

>Well we will just have to see which manufacturres really care about their
>business customer users that are using their hardware on November 30th.
>"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:3FE1281E-625F-4A8C-8A18-844FBB1A6687@microsoft.com...
>> I'm sorry, I don't really know what to tell you other than to keep
>> checking with the manufacturers.
>>
>> Sadly, with each new release of an operating system, you will have some
>> hardware and software manufacturers that will go above and beyond.
>> Companies like nVidia who really push the make-ready process, and you have
>> companies like HP, who will drag their feet to the very last minutes, and
>> sometimes too long.
>> Sadly, it is the perrogative of the manufacturer. Microsoft, I am sure is
>> doing all they can to try to help folks, but they are helpless when it
>> comes to the companies who create the drivers.
>>
>> I'm in the same boat you are, I still have some equipment begging for
>> drivers, and most of my favorite software is useless right now. I just
>> keep on checking and hoping.
>>
>> Wish I could be more help.
>>
>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:%23AUmAJgDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few months.
>>> However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is
>>> not out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE
>>> AFTER". Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it is
>>> out or 6 months after......."
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>>>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
>>>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a host
>>>> of generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to
>>>> put all hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to
>>>> create advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>>>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running out,
>>>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till
>>>> release date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see a
>>>> lot of completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>>>
>>>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>>>
>>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs
>>>>> are not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of
>>>>> problems:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the
>>>>> people to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the
>>>>> soundcard software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt
>>>>> if they will put out reliable drivers until months after release. I am
>>>>> only saying drivers, none of the applications that came on the
>>>>> installation CDs will work with Vista and they haven't done anything
>>>>> about that yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> ATI:
>>>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out
>>>>> monthly releases pretty routinely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Logitech:
>>>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But no
>>>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not
>>>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff as
>>>>> I possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards,
>>>>> mouse, and remotes......
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets
>>>>> (Intellitype and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS claims
>>>>> to have beta available in January, which is a month later then
>>>>> previously expected according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by nWhite.
>>>>> But rumour has it that a beta is available to Vista technical beta
>>>>> testers.........
>>>>>
>>>>> Pantone Huey:
>>>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup over
>>>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the
>>>>> response:
>>>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey on
>>>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be
>>>>> fully functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do
>>>>> not seem to be accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we
>>>>> will have support for this operating system either at the time of its
>>>>> release, or shortly thereafter.
>>>>>
>>>>> So there is hope.
>>>>>
>>>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before
>>>>> 2nd qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart
>>>>> C6180/5180..... etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track
>>>>> records (like promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and
>>>>> delivering in Aug 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Asus:
>>>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system
>>>>> overclocking and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine)
>>>>> have even beta out for vista. The only thing that has beta out is the
>>>>> Wifi-AP software and even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista
>>>>> directories, hardly a beta.......
>>>>>
>>>>> Intel:
>>>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is
>>>>> available for Vista as I type.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
>>>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
>>>>> me........
>>>>>
>>>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Many manufactures have released Vista RTM drivers to MS that they have not
yet made available on their own Website. And Nvidia is an example of this
the driver that gets installed with the RTM release of Vista are a later
release than those at their Website. I assume that as of November 30 when
business can purchase Vista business or Vista ultimate that many
manufacturer will then make their RTM drivers available on thier own
Websites.
"John C." <JohnC@noemail.noemail> wrote in message
news:adgcm2ppt21udk9oamq7e5j9gvlnj3nb4e@4ax.com...
> It almost seems like it would be in hardware makers' best interest NOT
> to release Vista drivers for legacy hardware. This will force users
> to buy shiny new "Vista Compatible" hardware. Of course they risk
> alienating loyal users at the same time.
>
> Betas of Vista have been available for a year or more, you would think
> the hardware makers would have their drivers ready to go at RTM time.
> They probably wait until RTM to start development. Even nVidia seems
> to be in a sorry state, their Vista video drivers are terrible
> performance wise and they don't even have a driver for their flagship
> 8800 product.
>
> Total lack of x64 drivers killed XP x64. Hopefully we'll see this
> change since just about all new PCs are x64 capable.
>
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:31:53 -0800, "JW" <nospam@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>Well we will just have to see which manufacturres really care about their
>>business customer users that are using their hardware on November 30th.
>>"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:3FE1281E-625F-4A8C-8A18-844FBB1A6687@microsoft.com...
>>> I'm sorry, I don't really know what to tell you other than to keep
>>> checking with the manufacturers.
>>>
>>> Sadly, with each new release of an operating system, you will have some
>>> hardware and software manufacturers that will go above and beyond.
>>> Companies like nVidia who really push the make-ready process, and you
>>> have
>>> companies like HP, who will drag their feet to the very last minutes,
>>> and
>>> sometimes too long.
>>> Sadly, it is the perrogative of the manufacturer. Microsoft, I am sure
>>> is
>>> doing all they can to try to help folks, but they are helpless when it
>>> comes to the companies who create the drivers.
>>>
>>> I'm in the same boat you are, I still have some equipment begging for
>>> drivers, and most of my favorite software is useless right now. I just
>>> keep on checking and hoping.
>>>
>>> Wish I could be more help.
>>>
>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:%23AUmAJgDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few
>>>> months.
>>>> However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is
>>>> not out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE
>>>> AFTER". Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it is
>>>> out or 6 months after......."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>>>>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
>>>>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a
>>>>> host
>>>>> of generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to
>>>>> put all hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to
>>>>> create advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>>>>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running
>>>>> out,
>>>>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till
>>>>> release date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see
>>>>> a
>>>>> lot of completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>>>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs
>>>>>> are not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of
>>>>>> problems:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>>>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>>>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the
>>>>>> people to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the
>>>>>> soundcard software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt
>>>>>> if they will put out reliable drivers until months after release. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> only saying drivers, none of the applications that came on the
>>>>>> installation CDs will work with Vista and they haven't done anything
>>>>>> about that yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ATI:
>>>>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out
>>>>>> monthly releases pretty routinely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Logitech:
>>>>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not
>>>>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards,
>>>>>> mouse, and remotes......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>>>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets
>>>>>> (Intellitype and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS
>>>>>> claims
>>>>>> to have beta available in January, which is a month later then
>>>>>> previously expected according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by
>>>>>> nWhite.
>>>>>> But rumour has it that a beta is available to Vista technical beta
>>>>>> testers.........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pantone Huey:
>>>>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the
>>>>>> response:
>>>>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be
>>>>>> fully functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do
>>>>>> not seem to be accessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we
>>>>>> will have support for this operating system either at the time of its
>>>>>> release, or shortly thereafter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there is hope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>>>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before
>>>>>> 2nd qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart
>>>>>> C6180/5180..... etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track
>>>>>> records (like promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and
>>>>>> delivering in Aug 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asus:
>>>>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>>>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system
>>>>>> overclocking and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine)
>>>>>> have even beta out for vista. The only thing that has beta out is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Wifi-AP software and even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista
>>>>>> directories, hardly a beta.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Intel:
>>>>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is
>>>>>> available for Vista as I type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>>>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
>>>>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
>>>>>> me........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>>>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>>>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Oh John, Not to sound pessimistic, but mark my words. Many legacy items will
not have drivers made for Vista. I know that sounds bad, and it sounds rude,
but look at it from a business point of view. As you said earlier, it is
just the opportunity that these companies need to push new gear.
It is an idea that personally, I have mixed feelings about. I am not a
gamer, and until I started using Vista, I was more than happy with my
on-board video card. After using vista, I was more or less forced to get a
new card, a 7600GS, and I must say, I never understood the importance, but I
can tell you that I see the difference in performance.
No doubt, there will be some who curse the new expensive upgrades, but I
feel most will be pleasently surprised as I was, and impressed. It will also
educate folks, like myself on the importance of the idea, "Better gear makes
a better computer."

But hey, what do I know?

"John C." <JohnC@noemail.noemail> wrote in message
news:adgcm2ppt21udk9oamq7e5j9gvlnj3nb4e@4ax.com...
> It almost seems like it would be in hardware makers' best interest NOT
> to release Vista drivers for legacy hardware. This will force users
> to buy shiny new "Vista Compatible" hardware. Of course they risk
> alienating loyal users at the same time.
>
> Betas of Vista have been available for a year or more, you would think
> the hardware makers would have their drivers ready to go at RTM time.
> They probably wait until RTM to start development. Even nVidia seems
> to be in a sorry state, their Vista video drivers are terrible
> performance wise and they don't even have a driver for their flagship
> 8800 product.
>
> Total lack of x64 drivers killed XP x64. Hopefully we'll see this
> change since just about all new PCs are x64 capable.
>
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:31:53 -0800, "JW" <nospam@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>Well we will just have to see which manufacturres really care about their
>>business customer users that are using their hardware on November 30th.
>>"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:3FE1281E-625F-4A8C-8A18-844FBB1A6687@microsoft.com...
>>> I'm sorry, I don't really know what to tell you other than to keep
>>> checking with the manufacturers.
>>>
>>> Sadly, with each new release of an operating system, you will have some
>>> hardware and software manufacturers that will go above and beyond.
>>> Companies like nVidia who really push the make-ready process, and you
>>> have
>>> companies like HP, who will drag their feet to the very last minutes,
>>> and
>>> sometimes too long.
>>> Sadly, it is the perrogative of the manufacturer. Microsoft, I am sure
>>> is
>>> doing all they can to try to help folks, but they are helpless when it
>>> comes to the companies who create the drivers.
>>>
>>> I'm in the same boat you are, I still have some equipment begging for
>>> drivers, and most of my favorite software is useless right now. I just
>>> keep on checking and hoping.
>>>
>>> Wish I could be more help.
>>>
>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:%23AUmAJgDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few
>>>> months.
>>>> However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is
>>>> not out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE
>>>> AFTER". Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it is
>>>> out or 6 months after......."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>>>>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your hardware
>>>>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a
>>>>> host
>>>>> of generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to
>>>>> put all hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to
>>>>> create advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>>>>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running
>>>>> out,
>>>>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till
>>>>> release date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will see
>>>>> a
>>>>> lot of completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>>>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer stuffs
>>>>>> are not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of
>>>>>> problems:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>>>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>>>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the
>>>>>> people to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the
>>>>>> soundcard software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously doubt
>>>>>> if they will put out reliable drivers until months after release. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> only saying drivers, none of the applications that came on the
>>>>>> installation CDs will work with Vista and they haven't done anything
>>>>>> about that yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ATI:
>>>>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out
>>>>>> monthly releases pretty routinely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Logitech:
>>>>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So not
>>>>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards,
>>>>>> mouse, and remotes......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>>>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets
>>>>>> (Intellitype and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS
>>>>>> claims
>>>>>> to have beta available in January, which is a month later then
>>>>>> previously expected according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by
>>>>>> nWhite.
>>>>>> But rumour has it that a beta is available to Vista technical beta
>>>>>> testers.........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pantone Huey:
>>>>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the
>>>>>> response:
>>>>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be
>>>>>> fully functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which do
>>>>>> not seem to be accessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we
>>>>>> will have support for this operating system either at the time of its
>>>>>> release, or shortly thereafter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there is hope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>>>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out before
>>>>>> 2nd qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart
>>>>>> C6180/5180..... etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track
>>>>>> records (like promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05 and
>>>>>> delivering in Aug 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asus:
>>>>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>>>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system
>>>>>> overclocking and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine)
>>>>>> have even beta out for vista. The only thing that has beta out is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Wifi-AP software and even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista
>>>>>> directories, hardly a beta.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Intel:
>>>>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is
>>>>>> available for Vista as I type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>>>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So I
>>>>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders like
>>>>>> me........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>>>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>>>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Well, I am not even going to talk about "legacy" hardware...... I have a HP
printer C6180 which came out last month.......
"Gene Fitzpatrick" <gene_fitz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:F99B4267-9631-46DF-8F3C-59C5C8DBB69C@microsoft.com...
> Oh John, Not to sound pessimistic, but mark my words. Many legacy items
> will not have drivers made for Vista. I know that sounds bad, and it
> sounds rude, but look at it from a business point of view. As you said
> earlier, it is just the opportunity that these companies need to push new
> gear.
> It is an idea that personally, I have mixed feelings about. I am not a
> gamer, and until I started using Vista, I was more than happy with my
> on-board video card. After using vista, I was more or less forced to get a
> new card, a 7600GS, and I must say, I never understood the importance, but
> I can tell you that I see the difference in performance.
> No doubt, there will be some who curse the new expensive upgrades, but I
> feel most will be pleasently surprised as I was, and impressed. It will
> also educate folks, like myself on the importance of the idea, "Better
> gear makes a better computer."
>
> But hey, what do I know?
>
> "John C." <JohnC@noemail.noemail> wrote in message
> news:adgcm2ppt21udk9oamq7e5j9gvlnj3nb4e@4ax.com...
>> It almost seems like it would be in hardware makers' best interest NOT
>> to release Vista drivers for legacy hardware. This will force users
>> to buy shiny new "Vista Compatible" hardware. Of course they risk
>> alienating loyal users at the same time.
>>
>> Betas of Vista have been available for a year or more, you would think
>> the hardware makers would have their drivers ready to go at RTM time.
>> They probably wait until RTM to start development. Even nVidia seems
>> to be in a sorry state, their Vista video drivers are terrible
>> performance wise and they don't even have a driver for their flagship
>> 8800 product.
>>
>> Total lack of x64 drivers killed XP x64. Hopefully we'll see this
>> change since just about all new PCs are x64 capable.
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:31:53 -0800, "JW" <nospam@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>Well we will just have to see which manufacturres really care about their
>>>business customer users that are using their hardware on November 30th.
>>>"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3FE1281E-625F-4A8C-8A18-844FBB1A6687@microsoft.com...
>>>> I'm sorry, I don't really know what to tell you other than to keep
>>>> checking with the manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, with each new release of an operating system, you will have some
>>>> hardware and software manufacturers that will go above and beyond.
>>>> Companies like nVidia who really push the make-ready process, and you
>>>> have
>>>> companies like HP, who will drag their feet to the very last minutes,
>>>> and
>>>> sometimes too long.
>>>> Sadly, it is the perrogative of the manufacturer. Microsoft, I am sure
>>>> is
>>>> doing all they can to try to help folks, but they are helpless when it
>>>> comes to the companies who create the drivers.
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the same boat you are, I still have some equipment begging for
>>>> drivers, and most of my favorite software is useless right now. I just
>>>> keep on checking and hoping.
>>>>
>>>> Wish I could be more help.
>>>>
>>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23AUmAJgDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few
>>>>> months.
>>>>> However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is
>>>>> not out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE
>>>>> AFTER". Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it
>>>>> is
>>>>> out or 6 months after......."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your
>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a
>>>>>> host
>>>>>> of generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to
>>>>>> put all hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to
>>>>>> create advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>>>>>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running
>>>>>> out,
>>>>>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till
>>>>>> release date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will
>>>>>> see a
>>>>>> lot of completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>>>>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer
>>>>>>> stuffs
>>>>>>> are not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of
>>>>>>> problems:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>>>>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>>>>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the
>>>>>>> people to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the
>>>>>>> soundcard software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously
>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>> if they will put out reliable drivers until months after release. I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> only saying drivers, none of the applications that came on the
>>>>>>> installation CDs will work with Vista and they haven't done anything
>>>>>>> about that yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ATI:
>>>>>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out
>>>>>>> monthly releases pretty routinely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Logitech:
>>>>>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> I possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards,
>>>>>>> mouse, and remotes......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>>>>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets
>>>>>>> (Intellitype and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS
>>>>>>> claims
>>>>>>> to have beta available in January, which is a month later then
>>>>>>> previously expected according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by
>>>>>>> nWhite.
>>>>>>> But rumour has it that a beta is available to Vista technical beta
>>>>>>> testers.........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pantone Huey:
>>>>>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the
>>>>>>> response:
>>>>>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be
>>>>>>> fully functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> not seem to be accessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we
>>>>>>> will have support for this operating system either at the time of
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> release, or shortly thereafter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there is hope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>>>>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> 2nd qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart
>>>>>>> C6180/5180..... etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track
>>>>>>> records (like promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> delivering in Aug 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asus:
>>>>>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>>>>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system
>>>>>>> overclocking and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine)
>>>>>>> have even beta out for vista. The only thing that has beta out is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Wifi-AP software and even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista
>>>>>>> directories, hardly a beta.......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Intel:
>>>>>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is
>>>>>>> available for Vista as I type.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>>>>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> me........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>>>>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>>>>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>>>>>
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