Vista - SO Vi$ta means death to a lot of old hardware devices....

On 2007-01-15 13:52:11 +0000, Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> said:

>> So in other words, you don't have to throw those old cards away, no
>> 'death sentence', because they're still perfectly usable if only the
>> vendors would provide drivers or open the source for the drivers and
>> their internal device interfaces so that people could write their own.
>> Thanks for conceding that.
>
> Yes, if and only if the vendors (or maybe Micro$oft) would provide the
> x64 driver....

As Jupiter notes, it is down to the vendor to supply drivers for their product.

I also mentioned this in my earlier contribution to the thread, which
you largely snipped (and now we see, didn't even bother to read) in
your reply. I also suggested that the vendors could open source their
driver code and apis if they wished, to avoid 'death' for the devices
concerned, which again you ignored in your haste to blame Microsoft for
everything that ever went wrong in your life.

--
Robert Moir

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Except Microsoft does not make drivers for 3rd party hardware.
> The 3rd party drivers distributed by Microsoft were provided by the
> hardware manufacturers.
>
> If you have driver issues, hopefully you have contacted the hardware
> manufacturer they are really the only one that can do something about it.
>

Linux kernel contains drivers. Why couldn't Micro$oft do the same?

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"Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Linux kernel contains drivers. Why couldn't Micro$oft do the same?
>

You are just trolling now.

You've had your arse kicked and handed to you on a plate, so run along and
play nice with the other patients.

No one ever said there were no drivers, there are a great many included in
Vista.
Or are you suggesting Linux has drivers for ALL hardware?
You should read the posts in this thread again...perhaps for the first time.

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"Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Linux kernel contains drivers. Why couldn't Micro$oft do the same?

By the end of the month, Vista will be shipping with over 19000 device
drivers, which is 50% more than XP and way more than any build of Linux
comes with.

The 'advantage' of linux is that when you find that your hardware isn't
supported, you might be 'lucky' enough to find that some spotty teenager and
bodged some drivers that can enable your hardware to limp along. In the
Windows world, we expect the hardware manufacturers to provide regularly
updated drivers for all current versions of the OS.

> You are just trolling now.
>
> You've had your arse kicked and handed to you on a plate, so run along and
> play nice with the other patients.

Point your gun to somewhere.. hey, did you forget rules of engagement?

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> The 'advantage' of linux is that when you find that your hardware isn't
> supported, you might be 'lucky' enough to find that some spotty teenager and
> bodged some drivers that can enable your hardware to limp along. In the
> Windows world, we expect the hardware manufacturers to provide regularly
> updated drivers for all current versions of the OS.

Providing drivers to older hardware could be an act of social
responsibility, as well as extending the life of working devices in the
x64 domain. Micro$oft has the money and experts to do it. Are they
really that busy? I suppose all of them are genius!

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"Social Responsibility" is just a word that people who are personally
irresponsible (vis a vis thinking for yourself, which takes a lot more work
than caving to peer pressure) use to feel good about themselves, by pointing
their fingers anywhere but back at themselves.

I suggest you study the phrase "personal responsibility," which is far more
meaningful, and when practiced, yields far better fruit. The world will
never change. You, however, can change yourself for the better, if you are
willing. Once you do so, you can change those with whom you interact, via
your example, not by your political activism.

Talk is cheap. Self-discipline is better.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Software Composer
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In case of Minimalism, break Philip Glass.

"Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> The 'advantage' of linux is that when you find that your hardware isn't
>> supported, you might be 'lucky' enough to find that some spotty teenager
>> and
>> bodged some drivers that can enable your hardware to limp along. In the
>> Windows world, we expect the hardware manufacturers to provide regularly
>> updated drivers for all current versions of the OS.
>
> Providing drivers to older hardware could be an act of social
> responsibility, as well as extending the life of working devices in the
> x64 domain. Micro$oft has the money and experts to do it. Are they
> really that busy? I suppose all of them are genius!
>
> --
> .~. Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. http://www.linux-sxs.org
> / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you!
> /( _ )\ (Ubuntu 6.10) Linux 2.6.19.2
> ^ ^ 20:31:01 up 7 days 23:43 0 users load average: 1.00 1.00 1.00
> news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk

"Providing drivers to older hardware..."
What have the hardware manufacturers said when you told them that?
The manufacturers and NOT Microsoft are the experts on their hardware.
Microsoft can not efficiently make drivers for 3rd party hardware, it may
not even be legal.

"Micro$oft has the money..."
For the most part, the manufacturers have the money to support the hardware
they choose.
What have the hardware manufacturers said when you ask about supporting
older hardware?

Do you feel all hardware regardless of age should be supported?
If no how old should be supported?
Do you realize a lot of older is currently supported in Vista, My 5 year old
HP printer is proof of that.
If yes, are you willing to pay the extra $ necessary to SAFELY make
backwards compatible older hardware?
The cost addition could be significant, possibly more than the cost of
replacement hardware.

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"Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Providing drivers to older hardware could be an act of social
> responsibility, as well as extending the life of working devices in the
> x64 domain. Micro$oft has the money and experts to do it. Are they
> really that busy? I suppose all of them are genius!
>
> --
> .~. Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. http://www.linux-sxs.org
> / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you!
> /( _ )\ (Ubuntu 6.10) Linux 2.6.19.2
> ^ ^ 20:31:01 up 7 days 23:43 0 users load average: 1.00 1.00 1.00
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