Vista - x800 All-in-Wonder TV tuner working?

I upgraded from XP with relatively few issues, but my TV tuner refuses to
work. I have an All-in-Wonder x800 and an HDTV wonder. I've since taken
out the HDTV and I'm trying to get the tuner on the video card recognized.
I've tried the vista drivers, reinstalling the encoder (MCE edition) all
without success. I was once to the point of having Media Center recognize
that there was a tuner, but it wouldn't find anything on scanning. Anyone
get one of these working?

I have a 9700P AIW and still no support.

Mitch
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"Don't pee an my leg then tell me it's raining"

"Prometheus Bound" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
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>I upgraded from XP with relatively few issues, but my TV tuner refuses to
>work. I have an All-in-Wonder x800 and an HDTV wonder. I've since taken
>out the HDTV and I'm trying to get the tuner on the video card recognized.
>I've tried the vista drivers, reinstalling the encoder (MCE edition) all
>without success. I was once to the point of having Media Center recognize
>that there was a tuner, but it wouldn't find anything on scanning. Anyone
>get one of these working?

If you get a solution to this problem please POST it. I need my TV!

"Prometheus Bound" wrote:

> I upgraded from XP with relatively few issues, but my TV tuner refuses to
> work. I have an All-in-Wonder x800 and an HDTV wonder. I've since taken
> out the HDTV and I'm trying to get the tuner on the video card recognized.
> I've tried the vista drivers, reinstalling the encoder (MCE edition) all
> without success. I was once to the point of having Media Center recognize
> that there was a tuner, but it wouldn't find anything on scanning. Anyone
> get one of these working?
>

Part of the problem is that ATI may provide drivers for XP MCE, but it is
NOT and never will be an approved tuner. It does not have the required
hardware encoder. Vista may enforce this more stringently.

Tom
"troyboy" <troyboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> If you get a solution to this problem please POST it. I need my TV!
>
> "Prometheus Bound" wrote:
>
>> I upgraded from XP with relatively few issues, but my TV tuner refuses to
>> work. I have an All-in-Wonder x800 and an HDTV wonder. I've since taken
>> out the HDTV and I'm trying to get the tuner on the video card
>> recognized.
>> I've tried the vista drivers, reinstalling the encoder (MCE edition) all
>> without success. I was once to the point of having Media Center
>> recognize
>> that there was a tuner, but it wouldn't find anything on scanning.
>> Anyone
>> get one of these working?
>>

"Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Oegjmw%23mGHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Part of the problem is that ATI may provide drivers for XP MCE, but it is
> NOT and never will be an approved tuner. It does not have the required
> hardware encoder. Vista may enforce this more stringently.
>
> Tom

The issue is strictly an ATI driver issue. The AIW series, while not
supported in MCE 2004, *is* supported in MCE 2005, so your *never will be*
is bogus right there. The requirement for a hardware decoder is strictly an
MCE 2004 and earlier issue.

The HDTV Wonder is recognized by Vista (which includes drivers for it);
however, up until beta 2, ATSC-only cards such as the HDTV Wonder would not
work standalone in either MCE or Vista (NTSC support was required).
However, at least build 5456 (the first post-beta 2 Vista build) obviates
that requirement. While the AIW series still lacks support, the issue is on
ATI, not Microsoft, to solve, and it has nothing to do with the lack of a
hardware encoding solution (as the support for the HDTV Wonder proves).


I have an AIW 9700 Pro and HDTV Wonder. While my AIW is not working in
5456, the HDTV side of my HDTV Wonder certainly does.

Christopher L. Estep

Christopher,

You have it backwards The AIW software drivers was developed approved by MS
for MCE 2004 and ATI requied that a HT CPU be used in order to get the CPU
utiliazation down to the level that MS would approve.
With MCE 2005 and the capability for multiple tuner MS for the first time
requied a hardware encoder in order to obtain approal for the MCE 2005 Logo
program. ATI upgraded their AIW software encoder so that it would work
with MCE 2005 and first released it in about May of 2005 along with a
release of their MMC software. MS never approved this version although ATI
themselves support it. AFAIK there has be nowanouncement by ATI that they
will again upgraded their AIW software encoder in order that it work with
Vista
"Christopher L. Estep" <pghammer21@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Oegjmw%23mGHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Part of the problem is that ATI may provide drivers for XP MCE, but it is
>> NOT and never will be an approved tuner. It does not have the required
>> hardware encoder. Vista may enforce this more stringently.
>>
>> Tom
>
> The issue is strictly an ATI driver issue. The AIW series, while not
> supported in MCE 2004, *is* supported in MCE 2005, so your *never will be*
> is bogus right there. The requirement for a hardware decoder is strictly
> an MCE 2004 and earlier issue.
>
> The HDTV Wonder is recognized by Vista (which includes drivers for it);
> however, up until beta 2, ATSC-only cards such as the HDTV Wonder would
> not work standalone in either MCE or Vista (NTSC support was required).
> However, at least build 5456 (the first post-beta 2 Vista build) obviates
> that requirement. While the AIW series still lacks support, the issue is
> on ATI, not Microsoft, to solve, and it has nothing to do with the lack of
> a hardware encoding solution (as the support for the HDTV Wonder proves).
>
>
> I have an AIW 9700 Pro and HDTV Wonder. While my AIW is not working in
> 5456, the HDTV side of my HDTV Wonder certainly does.
>
> Christopher L. Estep
>
>

Christopher,

He's right. ATI has gotten it to work, but it is NOT a supported tuner for
MCE. The key word there is SUPPORTED.

The AIW does not have a hardware decoder and therefore will never get an MS
certification for either XP or Vista.

Didn't say it might not work, but it is a lousy solution when you can buy a
nice Hauppauge PVR-150 for $60 on sale.

Tom
"JW" <nospam@no.spam> wrote in message
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> Christopher,
>
> You have it backwards The AIW software drivers was developed approved by
> MS for MCE 2004 and ATI requied that a HT CPU be used in order to get the
> CPU utiliazation down to the level that MS would approve.
> With MCE 2005 and the capability for multiple tuner MS for the first time
> requied a hardware encoder in order to obtain approal for the MCE 2005
> Logo program. ATI upgraded their AIW software encoder so that it would
> work with MCE 2005 and first released it in about May of 2005 along with a
> release of their MMC software. MS never approved this version although
> ATI themselves support it. AFAIK there has be nowanouncement by ATI that
> they will again upgraded their AIW software encoder in order that it work
> with Vista
> "Christopher L. Estep" <pghammer21@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:69D11A7B-8280-406C-82DF-57384189CC45@microsoft.com...
>>
>> "Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Oegjmw%23mGHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Part of the problem is that ATI may provide drivers for XP MCE, but it
>>> is NOT and never will be an approved tuner. It does not have the
>>> required hardware encoder. Vista may enforce this more stringently.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>> The issue is strictly an ATI driver issue. The AIW series, while not
>> supported in MCE 2004, *is* supported in MCE 2005, so your *never will
>> be* is bogus right there. The requirement for a hardware decoder is
>> strictly an MCE 2004 and earlier issue.
>>
>> The HDTV Wonder is recognized by Vista (which includes drivers for it);
>> however, up until beta 2, ATSC-only cards such as the HDTV Wonder would
>> not work standalone in either MCE or Vista (NTSC support was required).
>> However, at least build 5456 (the first post-beta 2 Vista build) obviates
>> that requirement. While the AIW series still lacks support, the issue is
>> on ATI, not Microsoft, to solve, and it has nothing to do with the lack
>> of a hardware encoding solution (as the support for the HDTV Wonder
>> proves).
>>
>>
>> I have an AIW 9700 Pro and HDTV Wonder. While my AIW is not working in
>> 5456, the HDTV side of my HDTV Wonder certainly does.
>>
>> Christopher L. Estep
>>
>>
>
>