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Vista - 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

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Old 08-28-2007   #11 (permalink)
Richard


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

Vista 64 or XP 64 can make use of the 8 gig of memory your mother board can
support. With comming updates to Vista and fixes to certain video drivers,
it is possible to benefit from up to 4 gig of memory with a 32 bit version
of Vista; perhaps. Stick with 2 gig until you read that the fix is in and
that it makes a real difference. Soon it may be cost effective to go with
solid state storage which should make a real difference in performance.

Richard



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Old 08-28-2007   #12 (permalink)


vista ultimate x64
 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

well, i didnt upgrade from 2 to 4 gb's , i just started out with the 4 gigs in my sig.
i did install vista with only 1 stick, and there was a huge difference with all 4 gigs installed. I will be moving up to 8 gigs shortly.
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Old 08-28-2007   #13 (permalink)
Alfred Kaufmann


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

I'm sure there would have been a huge difference just going from 1 to
2 GB. It is the difference of going from 2 to 4 GB that I am
wondering about.

Al


On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:07:14 -0500, icon57
<icon57.2w1a7a@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote:
Quote:

>
>well, i didnt upgrade from 2 to 4 gb's , i just started out with the 4
>gigs in my sig.
>i did install vista with only 1 stick, and there was a huge difference
>with all 4 gigs installed. I will be moving up to 8 gigs shortly.
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Old 08-29-2007   #14 (permalink)
jabloomf1230


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

The problem only occurred with earlier betas of the nVidia graphics card
drivers for Vista x64 and 4 GB RAM. You may not need to "remap the
memory", especially if the BIOS setup is the most recent and doesn't
show an option like that. Try the ASUStek message board and or:

http://asustech.15.forumer.com/index.php?act=idx

which is a pretty decent independent message board that covers only ASUS
motherboards.

JB

Alfred Kaufmann wrote:
Quote:

> It is an Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard and the documentation reads
> that it supports up to 8GB of ram. I do have their lastest bios
> installed but their is no such option of memory remapping. They
> advertise the motherboard for Vista so maybe they will have a fix with
> their next bios update.
>
> Al
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:23:11 -0400, jabloomf1230
> <jabloomf@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>> What's your brand and model of MB? It's new enough (AM2) and it should
>> have that option. If not, there may be a BIOS update for your MB that
>> adds that option to the BIOS setup.
>>
>> The main problem with going to 4MB is that some of the earlier versions
>> of nVidia Vista graphics drivers did not work properly with SOME
>> graphics cards and 4 GB of system RAM. Else, there shouldn't be a
>> problem with Vista x64.
>>
>> Alfred Kaufmann wrote:
Quote:

>>> Thanks for the information everyone! I have Vista 64bit, an AM2
>>> motherboard and an AMD X2 64 processor but I can't find this "memory
>>> remap" option in my bios. Also from what I have been reading this
>>> upgrade is best avoided. :-(
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:26:20 -0700, "JW" <JW@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He will not need to use the page file until the programs/data required to be
>>>> kept in memory use up all of the extra 2GB in his system.
>>>> Alfred,
>>>> If you are running Vista 32 you will probably only get the benefit of a
>>>> little over 1GB of the extra memory you add. See the following:
>>>>
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605/en-us
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:ePqmPnM6HHA.4584@xxxxxx
>>>>> Little to no improvement if you run "normal" applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will still need the pagefile.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Urban
>>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alfred Kaufmann" <al_kaufmann@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e7t5d31d3g5a1qstsm4ebgt8mdnsgbi65k@xxxxxx
>>>>>> I am thinking of going to 4GB ram and I wonder if it is worth it? The
>>>>>> only reason I am thinking of doing it is to turn off virtual memory
>>>>>> and eliminate swapping on the hard drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know your experience if you have done this upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Old 08-29-2007   #15 (permalink)
jabloomf1230


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

Also look at this thread:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

Alfred Kaufmann wrote:
Quote:

> I'm sure there would have been a huge difference just going from 1 to
> 2 GB. It is the difference of going from 2 to 4 GB that I am
> wondering about.
>
> Al
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:07:14 -0500, icon57
> <icon57.2w1a7a@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote:
>
Quote:

>> well, i didnt upgrade from 2 to 4 gb's , i just started out with the 4
>> gigs in my sig.
>> i did install vista with only 1 stick, and there was a huge difference
>> with all 4 gigs installed. I will be moving up to 8 gigs shortly.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 08-31-2007   #16 (permalink)
Patrick


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

Hm,

yes, the pagefile is still usefull. Not needed if you use "applications".
This depends on what you call normal applications!

Little to no improvement is absolute BS!
I definatly got a big performance increase when I went from 2 to 4Gb in my
Opteron185 with 8800GTX.

Photoshop got faster, Word2007 starts faster, most games I play perform
better.



"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ePqmPnM6HHA.4584@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Little to no improvement if you run "normal" applications.
>
> You will still need the pagefile.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>
> "Alfred Kaufmann" <al_kaufmann@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e7t5d31d3g5a1qstsm4ebgt8mdnsgbi65k@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I am thinking of going to 4GB ram and I wonder if it is worth it? The
>> only reason I am thinking of doing it is to turn off virtual memory
>> and eliminate swapping on the hard drive.
>>
>> Please let me know your experience if you have done this upgrade.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>
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Old 09-03-2007   #17 (permalink)
Diamontina Cocktail


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?


"JW" <JW@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1F86980B-0853-4629-B3BD-020AFD077745@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Since you are using Vista installing a fast 2GB lash drive or card and
Those 2gig "lash drives" can really hurt, though! Something for the S&M
lovers!


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Old 09-03-2007   #18 (permalink)
Diamontina Cocktail


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

Where does it improve things, then?

I have an instance here that it did.

1gig ram on a P4 3Ghz here upgraded from XP to Vista Business. Machine was
running not so good but then I expected I would need another gig of ram and
hadn't gotten it yet. What I did find, by accident, was a 4 gig flash drive
that is readyboost OK. I put it in and used it as "extra ram" as the
motherboard will be replaced later this year and has only DDR on it. I will
need DDR2 for the next one.

When I put that 4gig flash drive in and configured it for readyboost, it
made a noticeable difference though it wasn't a FABULOUS difference.

I would appreciate knowing in which cases you think extra ram WOULD make a
difference. Eg, video editing, sound editing?

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ePqmPnM6HHA.4584@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Little to no improvement if you run "normal" applications.
>
> You will still need the pagefile.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>
> "Alfred Kaufmann" <al_kaufmann@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e7t5d31d3g5a1qstsm4ebgt8mdnsgbi65k@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I am thinking of going to 4GB ram and I wonder if it is worth it? The
>> only reason I am thinking of doing it is to turn off virtual memory
>> and eliminate swapping on the hard drive.
>>
>> Please let me know your experience if you have done this upgrade.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>
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Old 09-03-2007   #19 (permalink)
JW


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

Ready Boost does not provide extra Ram, It creates a high speed cache memory
between your MOBO memory and your paging file so that when your system does
need more main memory it can can page out currently not in use memory pages
faster so that the main memory can be used for another file or app and it
also causes memory pages to be retrieved faster when they have been paged
out.
Just the fact the Ready Boost helps your system indicates that you need more
main memory in order to reduce the requirement for paging.
Of course even if paging is not required extra memory acts as a disk cache
reducing the amount of time to retrieve currently inactive apps or files
that have recently been used such as edited files that need to be reused.

"Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%231w7Iqn7HHA.5212@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Where does it improve things, then?
>
> I have an instance here that it did.
>
> 1gig ram on a P4 3Ghz here upgraded from XP to Vista Business. Machine was
> running not so good but then I expected I would need another gig of ram
> and hadn't gotten it yet. What I did find, by accident, was a 4 gig flash
> drive that is readyboost OK. I put it in and used it as "extra ram" as the
> motherboard will be replaced later this year and has only DDR on it. I
> will need DDR2 for the next one.
>
> When I put that 4gig flash drive in and configured it for readyboost, it
> made a noticeable difference though it wasn't a FABULOUS difference.
>
> I would appreciate knowing in which cases you think extra ram WOULD make a
> difference. Eg, video editing, sound editing?
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ePqmPnM6HHA.4584@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Little to no improvement if you run "normal" applications.
>>
>> You will still need the pagefile.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>>
>> "Alfred Kaufmann" <al_kaufmann@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:e7t5d31d3g5a1qstsm4ebgt8mdnsgbi65k@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>I am thinking of going to 4GB ram and I wonder if it is worth it? The
>>> only reason I am thinking of doing it is to turn off virtual memory
>>> and eliminate swapping on the hard drive.
>>>
>>> Please let me know your experience if you have done this upgrade.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Old 09-15-2007   #20 (permalink)
nweissma


 
 

Re: 2GB to 4GB, how much of an improvement?

i am curious: what did you read that recommends against adding system memory?

"Alfred Kaufmann" wrote:
Quote:

> Thanks for the information everyone! I have Vista 64bit, an AM2
> motherboard and an AMD X2 64 processor but I can't find this "memory
> remap" option in my bios. Also from what I have been reading this
> upgrade is best avoided. :-(
>
> Al
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:26:20 -0700, "JW" <JW@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

> >He will not need to use the page file until the programs/data required to be
> >kept in memory use up all of the extra 2GB in his system.
> >Alfred,
> >If you are running Vista 32 you will probably only get the benefit of a
> >little over 1GB of the extra memory you add. See the following:
> >
> >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605/en-us
> >
> >
> >.
> >"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >news:ePqmPnM6HHA.4584@xxxxxx
Quote:

> >> Little to no improvement if you run "normal" applications.
> >>
> >> You will still need the pagefile.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >>
> >>
> >> "Alfred Kaufmann" <al_kaufmann@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:e7t5d31d3g5a1qstsm4ebgt8mdnsgbi65k@xxxxxx
> >>>I am thinking of going to 4GB ram and I wonder if it is worth it? The
> >>> only reason I am thinking of doing it is to turn off virtual memory
> >>> and eliminate swapping on the hard drive.
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know your experience if you have done this upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> Al
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
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