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| | Creating dual boot XP I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no Outlook Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, but I have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new computer, and I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has a newer operating system. Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to follow. Thanks for any help. Dudley |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP In article <F1E0D612-F9C3-4614-9C0E-503F81CC87F1@xxxxxx>, =?Utf-8?B?RHVkbGV5?= <Dudley@xxxxxx> says... Quote: > I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no Outlook > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). > > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, but I > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new computer, and > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has a > newer operating system. > > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to > follow. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. De site is uitgebreid! http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/ Bootmanager (+Vista), ClrMBR, DiskEditors, POP3lezer, Filebrowser, Kalender (Agenda, Dagboek), Webtellers en IP-log, Linux-Diskeditor |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP I put the CD in the drive and followed the installation instructions until it would not go further. Following your query, I tried to boot from the XP CDROM but it gave the message 'No boot device available'. Dudley "Jawade" wrote: Quote: > In article <F1E0D612-F9C3-4614-9C0E-503F81CC87F1@xxxxxx>, =?Utf-8?B?RHVkbGV5?= > <Dudley@xxxxxx> says... Quote: > > I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no Outlook > > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my > > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). > > > > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, but I > > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new computer, and > > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has a > > newer operating system. > > > > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at > > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to > > follow. > Did you boot from the XP-CD? > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. De site is uitgebreid! > http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/ > Bootmanager (+Vista), ClrMBR, DiskEditors, POP3lezer, Filebrowser, > Kalender (Agenda, Dagboek), Webtellers en IP-log, Linux-Diskeditor > |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP Hi, Dudley. The correct strategy is to boot from the WinXP CD, as Jawade said, and let it reformat the hard drive and create a partition to install WinXP. Then boot from the Vista DVD-ROM and let it create the dual-boot system as it installs Vista into a different partition. The Golden Rule of dual-booting is to always install the newest operating system last, since its Setup knows how to handle earlier systems. But there are several potential flies in that ointment. First, as you've already encountered, that OEM WinXP CD apparently does not have drivers for whatever hard drive is in your computer. You'll need to find drivers for that drive - and possibly update the computer's BIOS as well - and put those drivers onto a floppy diskette. When WinXP Setup invites you to press F6 to install mass storage drivers, press F6 and wait patiently until Setup stops with instructions for how to use that diskette to install the drivers. The next fly is the Vista DVD-ROM: Did you get one? Is it the full retail DVD? Or is it only a "recovery" disk that won't work to install Vista from scratch? Quote: Quote: Quote: >> > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge or you reformat the partition that holds that folder. You haven't yet given us any details about the make and model of your computer (or motherboard, etc., if you built it yourself), your hard drive(s), or the specific version of Vista that you have. So it doesn't make much sense for us to continue shooting in the dark until you tell us more about your system. Have you discussed this at all with the vendor who sold you the computer? RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX rc@xxxxxx Microsoft Windows MVP (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64) "Dudley" <Dudley@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:FC41CD2C-AF71-43CA-8D29-CC7AE80FF6BF@xxxxxx Quote: > I put the CD in the drive and followed the installation instructions until > it > would not go further. > > Following your query, I tried to boot from the XP CDROM but it gave the > message 'No boot device available'. > > Dudley > > "Jawade" wrote: > Quote: >> In article <F1E0D612-F9C3-4614-9C0E-503F81CC87F1@xxxxxx>, >> =?Utf-8?B?RHVkbGV5?= >> <Dudley@xxxxxx> says... Quote: >> > I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no >> > Outlook >> > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my >> > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). >> > >> > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, >> > but I >> > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new >> > computer, and >> > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has >> > a >> > newer operating system. >> > >> > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at >> > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to >> > follow. >> Did you boot from the XP-CD? >> >> -- >> Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. De site is uitgebreid! >> http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/ >> Bootmanager (+Vista), ClrMBR, DiskEditors, POP3lezer, Filebrowser, >> Kalender (Agenda, Dagboek), Webtellers en IP-log, Linux-Diskeditor |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP Go into your bios at startup; either hit Delete, F2, or whatever it tells you to do to get into Bios. Read the startup screen Some comps say hit F12 to change boot order. Set your Boot order to boot from your Cd/DVD Drive 1st, reboot with XP disk in DDrive, and follows what the others have said. "Dudley" wrote: Quote: > I put the CD in the drive and followed the installation instructions until it > would not go further. > > Following your query, I tried to boot from the XP CDROM but it gave the > message 'No boot device available'. > > Dudley > > "Jawade" wrote: > Quote: > > In article <F1E0D612-F9C3-4614-9C0E-503F81CC87F1@xxxxxx>, =?Utf-8?B?RHVkbGV5?= > > <Dudley@xxxxxx> says... Quote: > > > I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no Outlook > > > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my > > > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). > > > > > > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, but I > > > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new computer, and > > > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has a > > > newer operating system. > > > > > > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at > > > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to > > > follow. > > Did you boot from the XP-CD? > > > > -- > > Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. De site is uitgebreid! > > http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/ > > Bootmanager (+Vista), ClrMBR, DiskEditors, POP3lezer, Filebrowser, > > Kalender (Agenda, Dagboek), Webtellers en IP-log, Linux-Diskeditor > > |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP Thanks very much for the advice. I have a Dell Inspiron 531 with Vista Home Premium with an ST325082 disk drive. I do not have a sloppy drive, but presumably I can use the flash drive? Dudley "R. C. White" wrote: Quote: > Hi, Dudley. > > The correct strategy is to boot from the WinXP CD, as Jawade said, and let > it reformat the hard drive and create a partition to install WinXP. Then > boot from the Vista DVD-ROM and let it create the dual-boot system as it > installs Vista into a different partition. The Golden Rule of dual-booting > is to always install the newest operating system last, since its Setup knows > how to handle earlier systems. > > But there are several potential flies in that ointment. First, as you've > already encountered, that OEM WinXP CD apparently does not have drivers for > whatever hard drive is in your computer. You'll need to find drivers for > that drive - and possibly update the computer's BIOS as well - and put those > drivers onto a floppy diskette. When WinXP Setup invites you to press F6 to > install mass storage drivers, press F6 and wait patiently until Setup stops > with instructions for how to use that diskette to install the drivers. > > The next fly is the Vista DVD-ROM: Did you get one? Is it the full retail > DVD? Or is it only a "recovery" disk that won't work to install Vista from > scratch? > Quote: Quote: > >> > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge > You don't "uninstall Vista". You either delete its entire \Windows folder, > or you reformat the partition that holds that folder. > > You haven't yet given us any details about the make and model of your > computer (or motherboard, etc., if you built it yourself), your hard > drive(s), or the specific version of Vista that you have. So it doesn't > make much sense for us to continue shooting in the dark until you tell us > more about your system. > > Have you discussed this at all with the vendor who sold you the computer? > > RC > -- > R. C. White, CPA > San Marcos, TX > rc@xxxxxx > Microsoft Windows MVP > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64) > > "Dudley" <Dudley@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:FC41CD2C-AF71-43CA-8D29-CC7AE80FF6BF@xxxxxx Quote: > > I put the CD in the drive and followed the installation instructions until > > it > > would not go further. > > > > Following your query, I tried to boot from the XP CDROM but it gave the > > message 'No boot device available'. > > > > Dudley > > > > "Jawade" wrote: > > Quote: > >> In article <F1E0D612-F9C3-4614-9C0E-503F81CC87F1@xxxxxx>, > >> =?Utf-8?B?RHVkbGV5?= > >> <Dudley@xxxxxx> says... > >> > I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no > >> > Outlook > >> > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my > >> > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). > >> > > >> > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, > >> > but I > >> > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new > >> > computer, and > >> > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has > >> > a > >> > newer operating system. > >> > > >> > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at > >> > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to > >> > follow. > >> > >> Did you boot from the XP-CD? > >> > >> -- > >> Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. De site is uitgebreid! > >> http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/ > >> Bootmanager (+Vista), ClrMBR, DiskEditors, POP3lezer, Filebrowser, > >> Kalender (Agenda, Dagboek), Webtellers en IP-log, Linux-Diskeditor |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP Dudley wrote: Quote: > I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no Outlook > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). > > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, but I > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new computer, and > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has a > newer operating system. > > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to > follow. > > Thanks for any help. > Dudley The older OS must be installed first unless you wish to acquire and use some 3rd-party partition and boot management utility 3rd-party products. Having an OEM installation of Vista further complicates matters, as you probably did not receive a real Vista installation DVD with the system. However, dual-booting is no longer necessary in most situations. Why not download a Virtual Machine application, such as Microsoft's VirtualPC 2007 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?) or Innotek's VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) and run Win2K and your legacy applications within a virtual computer. Both are free and work with Vista. (Microsoft does not support the use of VirtualPC 2007 on Vista Home editions, but several people have reported that it works just fine.) -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP Hi, Dudley. Thanks for the additional details. But I still have some questions and comments. Quote: > I have a Dell Inspiron 531 others here will. Quote: > with Vista Home > Premium add Vista? Upgrade or full version? My GUESS is that Vista was pre-installed and that you got only a "recovery" disk that will put your computer back to factory condition. In other words, if you install WinXP and then run this recovery disk, it will wipe out WinXP and you'll have to start over again. :>( Quote: > with an ST325082 disk drive. tell me if it is IDE/PATA or SATA or SCSI or something else. The Seagate site http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/pro...roduct_finder/ list over a dozen different models with that basic number, but with suffixes - like ST3250820A for the Ultra ATA/100 model, ST3250820AS for the SATA, and several others. The Ultra ATA/100 (also known as IDE or PATA), interface is a couple of decades old and you should not need any special drivers. But if that is true, you should not be getting the 'No boot device available' error message that you reported. Since you did get that message, maybe you should ask Dell or Seagate if any special drivers are required - and where to get them. Quote: > I do not have a sloppy drive, but > presumably I can use the flash drive? more than 30 years to distinguish the then-new small flexible vinyl diskettes from hard disk platters. Nowadays the floppy material is inside a stiff plastic cover.) Vista will accept the special drivers on a USB thumb drive or a CD, I've heard, but WinXP insists that they be on a floppy diskette. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX rc@xxxxxx Microsoft Windows MVP (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64) "Dudley" <Dudley@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:1C090993-E19C-466F-9291-ADD5C3EAEF08@xxxxxx Quote: > Thanks very much for the advice. I have a Dell Inspiron 531 with Vista > Home > Premium with an ST325082 disk drive. I do not have a sloppy drive, but > presumably I can use the flash drive? > > Dudley > > "R. C. White" wrote: > Quote: >> Hi, Dudley. >> >> The correct strategy is to boot from the WinXP CD, as Jawade said, and >> let >> it reformat the hard drive and create a partition to install WinXP. Then >> boot from the Vista DVD-ROM and let it create the dual-boot system as it >> installs Vista into a different partition. The Golden Rule of >> dual-booting >> is to always install the newest operating system last, since its Setup >> knows >> how to handle earlier systems. >> >> But there are several potential flies in that ointment. First, as you've >> already encountered, that OEM WinXP CD apparently does not have drivers >> for >> whatever hard drive is in your computer. You'll need to find drivers for >> that drive - and possibly update the computer's BIOS as well - and put >> those >> drivers onto a floppy diskette. When WinXP Setup invites you to press F6 >> to >> install mass storage drivers, press F6 and wait patiently until Setup >> stops >> with instructions for how to use that diskette to install the drivers. >> >> The next fly is the Vista DVD-ROM: Did you get one? Is it the full >> retail >> DVD? Or is it only a "recovery" disk that won't work to install Vista >> from >> scratch? >> Quote: >> >> > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge >> You don't "uninstall Vista". You either delete its entire \Windows >> folder, >> or you reformat the partition that holds that folder. >> >> You haven't yet given us any details about the make and model of your >> computer (or motherboard, etc., if you built it yourself), your hard >> drive(s), or the specific version of Vista that you have. So it doesn't >> make much sense for us to continue shooting in the dark until you tell us >> more about your system. >> >> Have you discussed this at all with the vendor who sold you the computer? >> >> RC >> >> "Dudley" <Dudley@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:FC41CD2C-AF71-43CA-8D29-CC7AE80FF6BF@xxxxxx Quote: >> > I put the CD in the drive and followed the installation instructions >> > until >> > it >> > would not go further. >> > >> > Following your query, I tried to boot from the XP CDROM but it gave the >> > message 'No boot device available'. >> > >> > Dudley >> > >> > "Jawade" wrote: >> > >> >> In article <F1E0D612-F9C3-4614-9C0E-503F81CC87F1@xxxxxx>, >> >> =?Utf-8?B?RHVkbGV5?= >> >> <Dudley@xxxxxx> says... >> >> > I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no >> >> > Outlook >> >> > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying >> >> > my >> >> > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). >> >> > >> >> > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install >> >> > it, >> >> > but I >> >> > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new >> >> > computer, and >> >> > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already >> >> > has >> >> > a >> >> > newer operating system. >> >> > >> >> > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked >> >> > at >> >> > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge >> >> > to >> >> > follow. >> >> >> >> Did you boot from the XP-CD? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. De site is uitgebreid! |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:29:36 -0700, Bruce Chambers wrote: Quote: > The older OS must be installed first unless you wish to acquire and > use some 3rd-party partition and boot management utility 3rd-party > products. Having an OEM installation of Vista further complicates > matters, as you probably did not receive a real Vista installation DVD > with the system. > > However, dual-booting is no longer necessary in most situations. > > Why not download a Virtual Machine application, such as Microsoft's > VirtualPC 2007 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?) or > Innotek's VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) and run Win2K and your > legacy applications within a virtual computer. Both are free and work > with Vista. (Microsoft does not support the use of VirtualPC 2007 on > Vista Home editions, but several people have reported that it works just > fine.) |
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| | Re: Creating dual boot XP Make sure you can get the drivers you need for XP before you proceed. That may be particularly difficult if you are talking about a laptop or notebook. You will need a floppy if you need drivers for a SATA drive controller. "Dudley" <Dudley@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:F1E0D612-F9C3-4614-9C0E-503F81CC87F1@xxxxxx Quote: >I have bought a computer with Vista but I did not like it (e.g. no Outlook > Express, keeps flashing up annoying messages such as falsely saying my > anti-virus is not working and about music downloads). > > So I bought a copy of XP, created a partition and tried to install it, but > I > have been sold a version of XP which says it is only for a new computer, > and > I get a message that I cannot install because the computer already has a > newer operating system. > > Is there any way I can get round this and install XP? I have looked at > articles on how to uninstall Vista but they were beyond my knowledge to > follow. > > Thanks for any help. > Dudley |
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