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Old 12-13-2007   #21 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:30:19 -0500, "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx>
wrote:
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> "ARH" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uN3DlLbPIHA.3676@xxxxxx
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> > "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:uqaLB%23ZPIHA.5164@xxxxxx
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> >> "ARH" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:uu6Hx5ZPIHA.3556@xxxxxx
> >>> "bomb#20" <darkstar@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>> news:uYydnTKkUpYKYP3aRVnyjgA@xxxxxx
> >>>> momo wrote:
> >>> I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus was
> >>> ever found for 3 years since I am here. We have Norton, McAfee and Micro
> >>> Trend. Only those so call virus was found were cookies.
> >>
> >> You use three AVs on one machine? Or, those three are used separately
> >> on different machines?
> >>
> >> I certainly hope your IT guy doesn't run those three in real-time
> >> at once. That's just ignorant.
> >>
> >> I use NOD32 on all my machines and ClamWin as an on-demand
> >> second opinion.
>
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> > No, we have over 30+ machines. Each machine only use one antivirus program.
> > Typically these antivirus programs comes pre-installed in the systems, such
> > as Dell or HP...
>
> IMO, using the same AV for all computers makes much
> more sense.


I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
should be installed on all the machines.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Old 12-13-2007   #22 (permalink)
Richard in AZ


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

Bomb#20: Why do your ask? If you have a really good antivirus program working, you would never see
a virus without purposely looking in the history file. AVG kills incoming viruses and I have it
set not to ask me what to do.

"bomb#20" <darkstar@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:3sGdnXydH-BQ9fzanZ2dnUVZ8rednZ2d@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Straight Talk wrote:
Quote:

>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:37:57 -0800, "ARH" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>> I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus
>>> was ever found for 3 years since I am here.
>>
>> Really?
>>
Quote:

>>> We have Norton, McAfee and Micro Trend.
>>
>> Oh, that explains why nothing was found.
>
> What antivirus software do you use ?
> When did you last get a virus ?
> .
>
>

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Old 12-13-2007   #23 (permalink)
bomb#20


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

Richard in AZ wrote:
Quote:

> Bomb#20: Why do your ask? If you have a really good antivirus
> program working, you would never see a virus without purposely
> looking in the history file. AVG kills incoming viruses and I have
> it set not to ask me what to do.
I don't have any antivirus software. I haven't had a virus since XP pre sp1.
I am trying to find antivirus software to install that actually catches something.
So far nobody can give me any evidence that their preferred antivirus program
catches any viruses.
Would you care to post your AVG history file?
Thanks.
..



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Old 12-13-2007   #24 (permalink)
MICHAEL


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:3v03m3tp484qi6p0rmvupgvvpcdmktnn03@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:30:19 -0500, "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
Quote:

>> "ARH" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uN3DlLbPIHA.3676@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:uqaLB%23ZPIHA.5164@xxxxxx
>> >> "ARH" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:uu6Hx5ZPIHA.3556@xxxxxx
>> >>> "bomb#20" <darkstar@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >>> news:uYydnTKkUpYKYP3aRVnyjgA@xxxxxx
>> >>>> momo wrote:
>> >>> I our case in this office with around over 20+ computers, no virus was
>> >>> ever found for 3 years since I am here. We have Norton, McAfee and Micro
>> >>> Trend. Only those so call virus was found were cookies.
>> >>
>> >> You use three AVs on one machine? Or, those three are used separately
>> >> on different machines?
>> >>
>> >> I certainly hope your IT guy doesn't run those three in real-time
>> >> at once. That's just ignorant.
>> >>
>> >> I use NOD32 on all my machines and ClamWin as an on-demand
>> >> second opinion.
>>
Quote:

>> > No, we have over 30+ machines. Each machine only use one antivirus program.
>> > Typically these antivirus programs comes pre-installed in the systems, such
>> > as Dell or HP...
>>
>> IMO, using the same AV for all computers makes much
>> more sense.
Quote:

> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
> should be installed on all the machines.
Absolutely, Ken.


-Michael

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Old 12-13-2007   #25 (permalink)
MICHAEL


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

"bomb#20" <darkstar@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:sM6dnasn9O8MF_zanZ2dnUVZ8qClnZ2d@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Richard in AZ wrote:
Quote:

>> Bomb#20: Why do your ask? If you have a really good antivirus
>> program working, you would never see a virus without purposely
>> looking in the history file. AVG kills incoming viruses and I have
>> it set not to ask me what to do.
>
> I don't have any antivirus software. I haven't had a virus since XP pre sp1.
> I am trying to find antivirus software to install that actually catches something.
> So far nobody can give me any evidence that their preferred antivirus program
> catches any viruses.
> Would you care to post your AVG history file?
> Thanks.
How do you know you for sure you don't have a critter or two?
With an AV, I don't trust it absolutely but it is another layer
of defense... so long as a user doesn't go overboard.

Some of the more clever critters will actually delete other
viruses/trojans/spyware.... their goal not destruction but
deception and stealth. Two of the biggest weaknesses of
different malware is their presence can be immediately
felt, either by their destructive payload or they open the
door for other infections... the computer eventually comes
to a crawl and even the most ignorant of users finally figures
out something is wrong. The more evil ones let your computer
operate normally and even "protecting" you from other infections.


-Michael

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Old 12-13-2007   #26 (permalink)
ARH


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O5bfqFcPIHA.5208@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
Quote:

>>
>> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
>> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
>> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
>> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
>> should be installed on all the machines.
>
> Absolutely, Ken.
>
No, use the pre-installed free anti-virus programs that came with all these
systems make much more sense.

If basic on what you said, we will have to pay a lots of money on license
fee and updates for each machine?

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Old 12-13-2007   #27 (permalink)
ARH


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eyFBlLcPIHA.6036@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "bomb#20" <darkstar@xxxxxx> wrote in message
Quote:

>>
> How do you know you for sure you don't have a critter or two?
> With an AV, I don't trust it absolutely but it is another layer
> of defense... so long as a user doesn't go overboard.
>
> Some of the more clever critters will actually delete other
> viruses/trojans/spyware.... their goal not destruction but
> deception and stealth. Two of the biggest weaknesses of
> different malware is their presence can be immediately
> felt, either by their destructive payload or they open the
> door for other infections... the computer eventually comes
> to a crawl and even the most ignorant of users finally figures
> out something is wrong. The more evil ones let your computer
> operate normally and even "protecting" you from other infections.
>
>
> -Michael
There are quite a few FREE online anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-adware,
scanners.

They are from Micro Trend and Comupter Assocates, ... and many more others.
Its updated every time you run online.

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Old 12-14-2007   #28 (permalink)
Tom Lake


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?


"ARH" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23dF1dsmPIHA.1204@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:O5bfqFcPIHA.5208@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
Quote:

>>>
>>> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
>>> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
>>> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
>>> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
>>> should be installed on all the machines.
>>
>> Absolutely, Ken.
>>
>
> No, use the pre-installed free anti-virus programs that came with all
> these systems make much more sense.
>
> If basic on what you said, we will have to pay a lots of money on license
> fee and updates for each machine?
We have a site license for Norman (not Norton!) AV and it's much easier to
manage
just one program than to deal with the different updating procedures than if
we used
a hodge-podge of different AV programs. We only order Dells and delete any
AV
programs that come on them. We specify no AV program on configurations
where
that's possible.

Tom Lake
Information Systems Administrator
St. Regis Mohawk Tribe
Environment Division

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Old 12-14-2007   #29 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:22:19 -0800, "ARH" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:O5bfqFcPIHA.5208@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
Quote:

> >>
> >> I completely agree. In my view, it makes *no* sense for one
> >> organization to use different anti-virus products on its computers.
> >> What's pre-installed doesn't matter. The pre-installed stuff should be
> >> removed, and the anti-virus product of that organization's choice
> >> should be installed on all the machines.
> >
> > Absolutely, Ken.
> >
>
> No, use the pre-installed free anti-virus programs that came with all these
> systems make much more sense.
>
> If basic on what you said, we will have to pay a lots of money on license
> fee and updates for each machine?

No you don't. Some of the best antivirus software (Avast and AVG, for
example) is freeware.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Old 12-14-2007   #30 (permalink)
Straight Talk


 
 

Re: what does Windows Defender really protects and scans for?

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:15:33 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Some of the best antivirus software (Avast and AVG, for
>example) is freeware.
Agreed. Why pay for a security measure that by design cannot be
reliable anyway.
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