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| | shift a pre-installded Vista? I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of difficulties with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. *TimDaniels* |
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| | RE: shift a pre-installded Vista? You can not shrink thevista partition from the front!! Simple as that Why do you want to put it at the front? http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_b...nstalled_first Here is the way you would normally do it above! -- Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia "Timothy Daniels" wrote: Quote: > I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, > and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward > the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux > dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" > operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with > Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the > traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of difficulties > with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista > installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their > "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. > > *TimDaniels* > > > |
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| | Re: shift a pre-installded Vista? If you have freespace at the front of the drive add it to your partition and then shrink the partition. This will come off the back end. You can't slide a partition that has no freespace. BootItNG has been Vista compatible since day one and Acronis is now. "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OTTIgywhIHA.5900@xxxxxx Quote: >I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, > and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward > the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux > dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" > operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with > Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the > traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of difficulties > with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista > installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their > "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. > > *TimDaniels* > |
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| | Re: shift a pre-installded Vista? "Mick Murphy" wrote: Quote: > Why do you want to put it at the front? I don't need (the "System Restore" partition), and I'd rather not waste it. It's *almost* what I need for Linux (which is to include a couple servers), but not quite. So I want to "shift" Vista down to fill that area - something that could be done with pre-Vista Windows OSes via various 3rd-party utilities. Quote: > http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_b...nstalled_first > > Here is the way you would normally do it above! "shrink-from-the-back" feature - not what I want to do. *TimDaniels* |
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| | Re: shift a pre-installded Vista? Have you tried sliding a Vista partition that had been created with Vista using BootItNG? Take a look at this website before concluding: http://www.multibooters.co.uk/ . *TimDaniels* "John Barnes" wrote: Quote: > If you have freespace at the front of the drive add it to your partition and > then shrink the partition. This will come off the back end. You can't slide > a partition that has no freespace. BootItNG has been Vista compatible since > day one and Acronis is now. > > "Timothy Daniels" wrote: Quote: >>I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, >> and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward >> the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux >> dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" >> operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with >> Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the >> traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of difficulties >> with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista >> installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their >> "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. >> >> *TimDaniels* >> |
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| | Re: shift a pre-installded Vista? Don't understand your point. The MBR isn't affected by the change in the partition. If you delete your restore partition, you should always make sure to contact the computer manufacturer as many times you have to make other changes to the BIOS or MBR or both. Sometimes the system will end up hanging looking for the restore partition before moving into the boot process. "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23MwiE25hIHA.5504@xxxxxx Quote: > Have you tried sliding a Vista partition that had been created > with Vista using BootItNG? Take a look at this website before > concluding: http://www.multibooters.co.uk/ . > > *TimDaniels* > > "John Barnes" wrote: Quote: >> If you have freespace at the front of the drive add it to your partition >> and then shrink the partition. This will come off the back end. You >> can't slide a partition that has no freespace. BootItNG has been Vista >> compatible since day one and Acronis is now. >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote: Quote: >>>I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, >>> and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward >>> the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux >>> dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" >>> operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with >>> Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the >>> traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of difficulties >>> with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista >>> installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their >>> "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. >>> >>> *TimDaniels* >>> > |
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| | Re: shift a pre-installded Vista? There is no "point". That was not a rhetorical question. I asked it in order to ger an answer to it. I will not go into the details of the Vista BCD and partition addressing as I don't fully understand it myself, but if you read the website that I referenced, you'll see that Vista is "different". So the qestion remains, "Have you tried sliding a Vista partition with BootItNG that had been created by Vista?" The purpose of my question is to locate a partition management utility (preferably the cheapest) that can actually move a Vista partition that had been created using the new partition offsets which are being introduced with Vista? I *could* just start buying and downloading utilities willy nilly and seeing if they can work with the new partition scheme, but I don't have the time or the money to do so. There is also a Catch 22 - the new partition scheme also affects cloning, and I'd have to make a clone of my installation before experimenting or risk screwing up my system. *TimDaniels* "John Barnes" wrote: Quote: > Don't understand your point. The MBR isn't affected by the > change in the partition. If you delete your restore partition, > you should always make sure to contact the computer manu- > facturer as many times you have to make other changes to the > BIOS or MBR or both. Sometimes the system will end up hanging looking for the > restore partition before moving into the > boot process. > > "Timothy Daniels" wrote: Quote: >> Have you tried sliding a Vista partition that had been created >> with Vista using BootItNG? Take a look at this website before >> concluding: http://www.multibooters.co.uk/ . >> >> *TimDaniels* >> >> "John Barnes" wrote: Quote: >>> If you have freespace at the front of the drive add it to your partition and >>> then shrink the partition. This will come off the back end. You can't >>> slide a partition that has no freespace. BootItNG has been Vista compatible >>> since day one and Acronis is now. >>> >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote: >>>>I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, >>>> and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward >>>> the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux >>>> dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" >>>> operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with >>>> Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the >>>> traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of difficulties >>>> with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista >>>> installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their >>>> "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. >>>> >>>> *TimDaniels* >>>> >>> >> |
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| | Re: shift a pre-installded Vista? Both Acronis and BootItNG have free trials, so cost won't be your problem and the disk and partition information is only slightly changed by the new NTFS used by Vista. The initial boot process is similar in Vista and addressing is to accommodate both MBR and GPT disks. "Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OX2SXs8hIHA.2540@xxxxxx Quote: > There is no "point". That was not a rhetorical question. I asked > it in order to ger an answer to it. I will not go into the details of > the Vista BCD and partition addressing as I don't fully understand > it myself, but if you read the website that I referenced, you'll see > that Vista is "different". So the qestion remains, "Have you tried > sliding a Vista partition with BootItNG that had been created by > Vista?" The purpose of my question is to locate a partition > management utility (preferably the cheapest) that can actually > move a Vista partition that had been created using the new > partition offsets which are being introduced with Vista? I *could* > just start buying and downloading utilities willy nilly and seeing if > they can work with the new partition scheme, but I don't have the > time or the money to do so. There is also a Catch 22 - the new > partition scheme also affects cloning, and I'd have to make a clone > of my installation before experimenting or risk screwing up my > system. > > *TimDaniels* > > "John Barnes" wrote: Quote: >> Don't understand your point. The MBR isn't affected by the >> change in the partition. If you delete your restore partition, >> you should always make sure to contact the computer manu- >> facturer as many times you have to make other changes to the >> BIOS or MBR or both. Sometimes the system will end up hanging looking >> for the restore partition before moving into the >> boot process. >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote: Quote: >>> Have you tried sliding a Vista partition that had been created >>> with Vista using BootItNG? Take a look at this website before >>> concluding: http://www.multibooters.co.uk/ . >>> >>> *TimDaniels* >>> >>> "John Barnes" wrote: >>>> If you have freespace at the front of the drive add it to your >>>> partition and then shrink the partition. This will come off the back >>>> end. You can't slide a partition that has no freespace. BootItNG has >>>> been Vista compatible since day one and Acronis is now. >>>> >>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote: >>>>>I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, >>>>> and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward >>>>> the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux >>>>> dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" >>>>> operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with >>>>> Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the >>>>> traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of >>>>> difficulties >>>>> with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista >>>>> installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their >>>>> "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. >>>>> >>>>> *TimDaniels* >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> > |
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| | Re: shift a pre-installded Vista? 1) Have you tried sliding a Vista partition, that had been created by Vista, with BootItNG? 2) Have you read the referenced website? *TimDaniels* "John Barnes" wrote: Quote: > Both Acronis and BootItNG have free trials, so cost won't be your > problem and the disk and partition information is only slightly changed > by the new NTFS used by Vista. The initial boot process is similar > in Vista and addressing is to accommodate both MBR and GPT disks. > > "Timothy Daniels" wrote: Quote: >> There is no "point". That was not a rhetorical question. I asked >> it in order to ger an answer to it. I will not go into the details of >> the Vista BCD and partition addressing as I don't fully understand >> it myself, but if you read the website that I referenced, you'll see >> that Vista is "different". So the qestion remains, "Have you tried >> sliding a Vista partition with BootItNG that had been created by >> Vista?" The purpose of my question is to locate a partition >> management utility (preferably the cheapest) that can actually >> move a Vista partition that had been created using the new >> partition offsets which are being introduced with Vista? I *could* >> just start buying and downloading utilities willy nilly and seeing if >> they can work with the new partition scheme, but I don't have the >> time or the money to do so. There is also a Catch 22 - the new >> partition scheme also affects cloning, and I'd have to make a clone >> of my installation before experimenting or risk screwing up my >> system. >> >> *TimDaniels* >> >> "John Barnes" wrote: Quote: >>> Don't understand your point. The MBR isn't affected by the >>> change in the partition. If you delete your restore partition, >>> you should always make sure to contact the computer manu- >>> facturer as many times you have to make other changes to the >>> BIOS or MBR or both. Sometimes the system will end up hanging looking for >>> the restore partition before moving into the >>> boot process. >>> >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote: >>>> Have you tried sliding a Vista partition that had been created >>>> with Vista using BootItNG? Take a look at this website before >>>> concluding: http://www.multibooters.co.uk/ . >>>> >>>> *TimDaniels* >>>> >>>> "John Barnes" wrote: >>>>> If you have freespace at the front of the drive add it to your partition >>>>> and then shrink the partition. This will come off the back end. You >>>>> can't slide a partition that has no freespace. BootItNG has been Vista >>>>> compatible since day one and Acronis is now. >>>>> >>>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote: >>>>>>I have a new Dell laptop with a pre-installed Vista Business, >>>>>> and I would like to shift or "slide" its partition forward toward >>>>>> the start of the hard drive by 10GB to make way for a Linux >>>>>> dual-boot between Vista and Linux. (This is not a "shrink" >>>>>> operation.) Does anyone know of a utility that can do this with >>>>>> Vista? Gparted, BootIt NG, and Acronis Disk Director are the >>>>>> traditional utilities which come to mind, but I've heard of difficulties >>>>>> with Vista partitions where the partition was created by the Vista >>>>>> installer. If you've used any of these or other partitions in their >>>>>> "Vista compatible" versions, please post about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> *TimDaniels* >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> |
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