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Moving boot files from one drive to another.

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    david manvell Guest

    Moving boot files from one drive to another.

    I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
    has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
    ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
    duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
    hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
    system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original drive.

    How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
    the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the first
    hard drive?


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    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.

    Quote Originally Posted by david manvell View Post
    I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
    has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
    ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
    duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
    hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
    system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original drive.

    How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
    the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the first
    hard drive?
    Hi David,

    If the partition with XP on was set as the Active partition when you
    run the Vista installer, it will have written Vista's boot files on that partition. If you format or remove the XP partition, you lose Vista's ability to boot.

    I don't know if you can copy the bootmgr and boot folder in the way you are suggesting, as I've never tried it...perhaps someone else does .

    The normal way to replace Vista's bootloader ( sometimes because it has been replaced by replaced by XP's - if it's installed after Vista ) is to use the MS install dvd to do startup repair - you might try that with just the second hd attached and the Vista partition set to active.

    Startup Repair

    Or, as this is a recent Vista install , you may prefer to reinstall from scratch just using the second hd.

    I believe you can't "upgrade " in the sense of doing an upgrade install when going from XP pro x64 to Vista - you have to do a clean install. In which case tho. you may have paid an "upgrade" price , you actually have the full version dvd ?

    Clean Install with a Full Version of Vista

    Hope this helps

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    david manvell Guest

    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.



    "SIW2" wrote:

    > If the partition with XP on was set as the Active partition when you
    > run the Vista installer, it will have written Vista's boot files on
    > that partition. If you format or remove the XP partition, you lose
    > Vista's ability to boot.
    >
    > I don't know if you can copy the bootmgr and boot folder in the way you
    > are suggesting, as I've never tried it...perhaps someone else does .
    >
    > The normal way to replace Vista's bootloader ( sometimes because it has
    > been replaced by replaced by XP's - if it's installed after Vista ) is
    > to use the MS install dvd to do startup repair - you might try that
    > with just the second hd attached and the Vista partition set to active.
    >
    > Startup Repair
    >
    > Or, as this is a recent Vista install , you may prefer to reinstall
    > from scratch just using the second hd.
    >
    > I believe you can't "upgrade " in the sense of doing an upgrade install
    > when going from XP pro x64 to Vista - you have to do a clean install. In
    > which case tho. you may have paid an "upgrade" price , you actually have
    > the full version dvd ?
    >
    > Clean Install with a Full Version of Vista
    >
    > Hope this helps
    >
    > SIW2
    Both my XP64 and my Vista 64 partitions are listed as Active partitions. I
    can try to do the repair and see how it goes. Always scary you will lose
    everything when messing with that stuff.

    When you go from xp64 to vista 64 it is counted as an upgrade from a
    licensing stand point as I had to have the xp64 on my system in order for the
    upgrade to proceed but it only does the upgrade as a clean install. It would
    not overwrite the xp64 when it did it.


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    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.

    You can't move the boot partition of Windows easily. It is usually C:. You could image the drive to a new drive. Best way is a backup and clean install.

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    AJR Guest

    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.

    David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
    BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
    selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.

    Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
    VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.


    "david manvell" <davidmanvell@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:3584B59F-FA37-499A-8579-1D0AEB173C9D@xxxxxx

    >I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
    > has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
    > ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
    > duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
    > hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
    > system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
    > drive.
    >
    > How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
    > the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
    > first
    > hard drive?
    >


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    david manvell Guest

    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.



    "AJR" wrote:

    > David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
    > BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
    > selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.
    >
    > Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
    > VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.
    >
    >
    > "david manvell" <davidmanvell@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:3584B59F-FA37-499A-8579-1D0AEB173C9D@xxxxxx

    > >I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
    > > has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
    > > ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
    > > duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
    > > hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
    > > system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
    > > drive.
    > >
    > > How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
    > > the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
    > > first
    > > hard drive?
    I'm making some progress.

    Right now VistBoot pro 3.3 is telling me the following:

    Windows Boot Manager
    --------------------
    identifier {bootmgr}
    device partition=C:
    description Windows Boot Manager
    locale en-US
    inherit {globalsettings}
    default {current}
    displayorder {current}
    toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
    timeout 30

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {current}
    device partition=J:
    path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64
    locale en-US
    inherit {bootloadersettings}
    osdevice partition=J:
    systemroot \Windows
    resumeobject {c98a4d4c-b9c3-11dc-9554-c22fb0668d69}
    nx OptIn


    So I have successfully removed the older Windows XP64 off of the boot loader
    but the Boot manager is still on the C: drive instead of the J: Drive where
    Windows Vista x64 is located. I cannot seem to find a way to move the Boot
    Manager to the J: so I can yank the C: drive out completely. If VistaBoot pro
    3.3 will do that or not i have not figured out how.

    I cannot find my original Vista disks anywhere to do a system repair. Is
    there a way to recreate or move the Boot Manager to the J: drive without the
    Windows Vista disk or can I get a replacement copy of my Vista disk from
    microsoft?

    Can I use my older Windows XP Professional x64 disks to do a repair and
    create a Boot manager on the J: ?


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    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.

    Quote Originally Posted by david manvell View Post
    "AJR" wrote:

    > David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
    > BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
    > selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.
    >
    > Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
    > VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.
    >
    >
    > "david manvell" <davidmanvell@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:3584B59F-FA37-499A-8579-1D0AEB173C9D@xxxxxx

    > >I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
    > > has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
    > > ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
    > > duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
    > > hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
    > > system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
    > > drive.
    > >
    > > How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
    > > the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
    > > first
    > > hard drive?
    I'm making some progress.

    Right now VistBoot pro 3.3 is telling me the following:

    Windows Boot Manager
    --------------------
    identifier {bootmgr}
    device partition=C:
    description Windows Boot Manager
    locale en-US
    inherit {globalsettings}
    default {current}
    displayorder {current}
    toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
    timeout 30

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {current}
    device partition=J:
    path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
    description Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64
    locale en-US
    inherit {bootloadersettings}
    osdevice partition=J:
    systemroot \Windows
    resumeobject {c98a4d4c-b9c3-11dc-9554-c22fb0668d69}
    nx OptIn


    So I have successfully removed the older Windows XP64 off of the boot loader
    but the Boot manager is still on the C: drive instead of the J: Drive where
    Windows Vista x64 is located. I cannot seem to find a way to move the Boot
    Manager to the J: so I can yank the C: drive out completely. If VistaBoot pro
    3.3 will do that or not i have not figured out how.

    I cannot find my original Vista disks anywhere to do a system repair. Is
    there a way to recreate or move the Boot Manager to the J: drive without the
    Windows Vista disk or can I get a replacement copy of my Vista disk from
    microsoft?

    Can I use my older Windows XP Professional x64 disks to do a repair and
    create a Boot manager on the J: ?

    Hi,

    MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product key though

    Windows Vista Alternate Media

    Product Key Number

    Hope that helps

    SIW2

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    david manvell Guest

    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.

    >

    > Hi,
    >
    > MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
    > key though
    >
    > 'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
    > (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx)
    >
    > Product Key Number
    >
    > Hope that helps
    >
    > SIW2
    >
    >
    > --
    > SIW2
    >
    "We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:
    The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."

    Any suggestions?


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    david manvell Guest

    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.



    "david manvell" wrote:

    > >
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
    > > key though
    > >
    > > 'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
    > > (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx)
    > >
    > > Product Key Number
    > >
    > > Hope that helps
    > >
    > > SIW2
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > SIW2
    > >
    >
    > "We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:
    > The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."
    >
    > Any suggestions?
    >
    Bah I called Microsoft directly and after an hour of haggling with them
    finally got them to send me a replacement disk. $50.40 ($25.00 was to have it
    shipped 1-3 days instead of the 10 day shipping method).

    Now just have to wait for the disk to get here.

    There is no other way to have the Boot manager written to the J: drive
    without the windows installation disk?


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    Re: Moving boot files from one drive to another.

    Quote Originally Posted by david manvell View Post
    >

    > Hi,
    >
    > MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
    > key though
    >
    > 'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
    > (Windows Vista Alternate Media)
    >
    > Product Key Number
    >
    > Hope that helps
    >
    > SIW2
    >
    >
    > --
    > SIW2
    >
    "We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:
    The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."

    Any suggestions?
    Hi,

    That's odd - if you used the product that you installed Vista with - they clearly say you can do it if you bought a retail dvd i.e. separate from your pc ( it doesn't work for the pre -nstalled oem laptops with prod key stickered on the side ). I have heard of people having to try it a few times, though.

    The alternative is to download a free recovery disk image and burn it to cd . I believe it gives the same startup repair options as the MS dvd. (When you find your MS dvd , use isorecorder to make a bootable back-up copy)

    Create a Recovery Disc

    Startup Repair

    ISO Recorder v3

    Your XP disk won't be able to do this.


    Hope that helps

    SIW2

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