Vista - 32bit vs 64bit

06-29-2009

What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit?

Curious

06-29-2009

Completely depends on what you use your machine for:

Typical word processing, e-mail and a few games: stay with x86.
Video editing, rendering, large database manipulations or strong number
crunching: move to x64
Like to fiddle around: move to x64
If you only use 32-bit applications, stick with x86. (There is a slight
overhead in processing 32-bit on a 64-bit system.)

x64 is stable, actually maybe a little more stable since all drivers have to
be signed,
allows you to use more than 4GB of memory (which means less paging, if
that's happening now.)
but there are still a few devices (not many) that are not supported.

I went x64 when Vista came out and have never looked back.

"Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit?
>
> Curious

06-29-2009

The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the
equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle. However, to get
this benefit from a 64 bit machine you have to be running a 64 bit OS. In
the future more and more applications will also be coded in 64 bit and will
therefore also run faster when running with a 64 bit OS. If running
applications such as video editing or video file format conversion which use
a lot of memory they will run faster with a 64 bit OS since it can support
system memory larger the 4GB.

"Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit?
>
> Curious

06-29-2009

Thanks, Mark,

That explains a lot,

Jerry

"Mark H" <jmhonzell@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Completely depends on what you use your machine for:
>
> Typical word processing, e-mail and a few games: stay with x86.
> Video editing, rendering, large database manipulations or strong number
> crunching: move to x64
> Like to fiddle around: move to x64
> If you only use 32-bit applications, stick with x86. (There is a slight
> overhead in processing 32-bit on a 64-bit system.)
>
> x64 is stable, actually maybe a little more stable since all drivers have
> to
> be signed,
> allows you to use more than 4GB of memory (which means less paging, if
> that's happening now.)
> but there are still a few devices (not many) that are not supported.
>
> I went x64 when Vista came out and have never looked back.
>
>
> "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%237qx6XN%23JHA.1376@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit?
>>
>> Curious

>
>

06-29-2009

Thanks for the info Curious,

Jerry

"Curious" <spammenot@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the
> equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle. However, to get
> this benefit from a 64 bit machine you have to be running a 64 bit OS. In
> the future more and more applications will also be coded in 64 bit and
> will therefore also run faster when running with a 64 bit OS. If running
> applications such as video editing or video file format conversion which
> use a lot of memory they will run faster with a 64 bit OS since it can
> support system memory larger the 4GB.
>
> "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:#7qx6XN#JHA.1376@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit?
>>
>> Curious

>

06-29-2009

Maybe none as it depends what you intend to do with your computer.

Sometimes 32 bit is the best.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience

"Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit?
>
> Curious

06-29-2009

Curious wrote:

Quote:

> The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the
> equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle.

You make it sound like you get twice the speed just by running a 64bit
application...

06-29-2009

I certainly did not mean to imply that everything on the system would run
twice as fast.

I only said a 64 bit OS can move data twice as fast since it is using 64 bit
registers instead of 32 bit registers and that many of the 64bit
instructions are the equivalent of two 32 bit instructions.
This does not mean that everything the OS does runs twice as fast since
other OS functions such as physical I/O and context switching don't run any
faster. And as has been pointed out by other posters 32 bit application
programs being run by users actually run slightly slower.

"dennis" <1@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Curious wrote:

Quote:

>> The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the
>> equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle.

>
> You make it sound like you get twice the speed just by running a 64bit
> application...

06-29-2009

Thanks for the added information, Richard,

Jerry

"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> To offer something slightly different from the previous advice - really,
> none. Except in the specific instances where you are running software
> that is natively 64-bit software, or when the added memory support (4gb+)
> is important to you - in these cases then definitely go with the 64-bit
> OS. For general use, running 32-bit software and games, there is no
> benefit whatsoever in running a 64-bit OS. In fact, if you have older
> software or peripherals you may actually wind up with a less useful system
> under 64-bit Windows.
>
> "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:#7qx6XN#JHA.1376@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit?
>>
>> Curious

>

06-29-2009

Thanks, nomore,

It looks like I'm stuck with 32bit for now,

Jerry

"nomore" <fac_187@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Presuming 4gbs of RAM:
> The 64 bit OS gives the OS and all applications, including 32 bit apps,
> easier access to an extra gigabyte of RAM than the 32 bit OS. In fact the
> OS can occupy whatever it wants above 3 gbs, and Vista wants all it can
> get. Win7 ain't too much different.
> You can achieve nearly the same thing on a 32 bit OS with arcane command
> switches: almost but not the same.
> Because Vista is such a bloated, hog butt of an OS that extra gigabyte of
> RAM makes a significant difference in overall operation.
> That is why Vista 64 is now preloaded on even low-end laptops.
> All things being equal, meaning you have 64 bit drivers and 4gbs of RAM,
> the 64 bit OS is the better choice for everyone for all purposes without
> any doubt whatever. Your head is buried in cowpies if you do not grasp
> this.
> Unless you have 64 bit apps that need and can use massive amounts of RAM
> then there is no real world gain from having more than 4gbs of RAM. This
> generally means specialized high def video processing or a server running
> in virtualized mode. Textbased apps will never benefit from 64 bit OSes
> but games and multimedia will do so increasingly. In fact if developers
> can tap the massive parallel processing power of modern graphics cards .
> . .
> 64 bit Photoshop is kind of pointless because it would be the very rare
> user with multiple open, multi-layered multi hundred megabite files that
> ever bumps up against the ram limits of 32 bit Photoshop. That is one
> reason why plug-in publishers are not rushing to build compatible 64 bit
> plug-ins.
> This be the truth and is why Microsoft is making noise about no longer
> making 32 bit OSes: you can hide a lot of bloat behind 64 bits.
> Appleunix has finally learned this and is trying to catch up to Microsoft
> in 64 bit OSes with snowkitty, or whatever they call it.

06-29-2009	#1 (permalink)
Badger n/a posts	32bit vs 64bit What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit? Curious
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#2 (permalink)
Mark H n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit Completely depends on what you use your machine for: Typical word processing, e-mail and a few games: stay with x86. Video editing, rendering, large database manipulations or strong number crunching: move to x64 Like to fiddle around: move to x64 If you only use 32-bit applications, stick with x86. (There is a slight overhead in processing 32-bit on a 64-bit system.) x64 is stable, actually maybe a little more stable since all drivers have to be signed, allows you to use more than 4GB of memory (which means less paging, if that's happening now.) but there are still a few devices (not many) that are not supported. I went x64 when Vista came out and have never looked back. "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%237qx6XN%23JHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: > What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit? > > Curious
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#3 (permalink)
Curious n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle. However, to get this benefit from a 64 bit machine you have to be running a 64 bit OS. In the future more and more applications will also be coded in 64 bit and will therefore also run faster when running with a 64 bit OS. If running applications such as video editing or video file format conversion which use a lot of memory they will run faster with a 64 bit OS since it can support system memory larger the 4GB. "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#7qx6XN#JHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: > What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit? > > Curious
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#4 (permalink)
Badger n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit Thanks, Mark, That explains a lot, Jerry "Mark H" <jmhonzell@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eyEpQrN#JHA.1336@xxxxxx Quote: > Completely depends on what you use your machine for: > > Typical word processing, e-mail and a few games: stay with x86. > Video editing, rendering, large database manipulations or strong number > crunching: move to x64 > Like to fiddle around: move to x64 > If you only use 32-bit applications, stick with x86. (There is a slight > overhead in processing 32-bit on a 64-bit system.) > > x64 is stable, actually maybe a little more stable since all drivers have > to > be signed, > allows you to use more than 4GB of memory (which means less paging, if > that's happening now.) > but there are still a few devices (not many) that are not supported. > > I went x64 when Vista came out and have never looked back. > > > "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:%237qx6XN%23JHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: >> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit? >> >> Curious > >
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#5 (permalink)
Badger n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit Thanks for the info Curious, Jerry "Curious" <spammenot@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OFHwuwN#JHA.1336@xxxxxx Quote: > The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the > equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle. However, to get > this benefit from a 64 bit machine you have to be running a 64 bit OS. In > the future more and more applications will also be coded in 64 bit and > will therefore also run faster when running with a 64 bit OS. If running > applications such as video editing or video file format conversion which > use a lot of memory they will run faster with a 64 bit OS since it can > support system memory larger the 4GB. > > "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:#7qx6XN#JHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: >> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit? >> >> Curious >
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#6 (permalink)
Richard Urban n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit Maybe none as it depends what you intend to do with your computer. Sometimes 32 bit is the best. -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%237qx6XN%23JHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: > What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit? > > Curious
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#7 (permalink)
dennis n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit Curious wrote: Quote: > The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the > equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle. You make it sound like you get twice the speed just by running a 64bit application...
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#8 (permalink)
Curious n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit I certainly did not mean to imply that everything on the system would run twice as fast. I only said a 64 bit OS can move data twice as fast since it is using 64 bit registers instead of 32 bit registers and that many of the 64bit instructions are the equivalent of two 32 bit instructions. This does not mean that everything the OS does runs twice as fast since other OS functions such as physical I/O and context switching don't run any faster. And as has been pointed out by other posters 32 bit application programs being run by users actually run slightly slower. "dennis" <1@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#LJYzPR#JHA.1336@xxxxxx Quote: > Curious wrote: Quote: >> The 64 bit hardware can move data twice as fast and can execute the >> equivalent of two 32 bit instructions per machine cycle. > > You make it sound like you get twice the speed just by running a 64bit > application...
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#9 (permalink)
Badger n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit Thanks for the added information, Richard, Jerry "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:00687A7B-3C35-473A-8A6D-85DD12820E51@xxxxxx Quote: > To offer something slightly different from the previous advice - really, > none. Except in the specific instances where you are running software > that is natively 64-bit software, or when the added memory support (4gb+) > is important to you - in these cases then definitely go with the 64-bit > OS. For general use, running 32-bit software and games, there is no > benefit whatsoever in running a 64-bit OS. In fact, if you have older > software or peripherals you may actually wind up with a less useful system > under 64-bit Windows. > > "Badger" <jerrymcm@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:#7qx6XN#JHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: >> What's the advantage of using 64bit on my machine instead of 32bit? >> >> Curious >
My System Specs

06-29-2009	#10 (permalink)
Badger n/a posts	Re: 32bit vs 64bit Thanks, nomore, It looks like I'm stuck with 32bit for now, Jerry "nomore" <fac_187@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0474715D-ED11-4745-9485-A93DF4047919@xxxxxx Quote: > Presuming 4gbs of RAM: > The 64 bit OS gives the OS and all applications, including 32 bit apps, > easier access to an extra gigabyte of RAM than the 32 bit OS. In fact the > OS can occupy whatever it wants above 3 gbs, and Vista wants all it can > get. Win7 ain't too much different. > You can achieve nearly the same thing on a 32 bit OS with arcane command > switches: almost but not the same. > Because Vista is such a bloated, hog butt of an OS that extra gigabyte of > RAM makes a significant difference in overall operation. > That is why Vista 64 is now preloaded on even low-end laptops. > All things being equal, meaning you have 64 bit drivers and 4gbs of RAM, > the 64 bit OS is the better choice for everyone for all purposes without > any doubt whatever. Your head is buried in cowpies if you do not grasp > this. > Unless you have 64 bit apps that need and can use massive amounts of RAM > then there is no real world gain from having more than 4gbs of RAM. This > generally means specialized high def video processing or a server running > in virtualized mode. Textbased apps will never benefit from 64 bit OSes > but games and multimedia will do so increasingly. In fact if developers > can tap the massive parallel processing power of modern graphics cards . > . . > 64 bit Photoshop is kind of pointless because it would be the very rare > user with multiple open, multi-layered multi hundred megabite files that > ever bumps up against the ram limits of 32 bit Photoshop. That is one > reason why plug-in publishers are not rushing to build compatible 64 bit > plug-ins. > This be the truth and is why Microsoft is making noise about no longer > making 32 bit OSes: you can hide a lot of bloat behind 64 bits. > Appleunix has finally learned this and is trying to catch up to Microsoft > in 64 bit OSes with snowkitty, or whatever they call it.
My System Specs

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