Vista - How to change Dual boot to Individual boot.

I didn't say the mbr loads a file. From its tables it determines the active
partition and reads the boot sector of that partition for the bootloader
info. But my wording wasn't real clear.

"David Wilkinson" <no-reply@effisols.com> wrote in message
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> John Barnes wrote:
>
>> The mbr looks up in its tables the active partition and reads the boot
>> sector for the bootloader, which has to be on that (system drive) for
>> Windows. If it is XP it points to ntldr, if Vista to the boot file. As
>> far as ntldr is concerned, that performs several functions one of which
>> is to read the boot.ini and either goes driectly to the boot drive in the
>> boot.ini or presents the menu to select from multiple boot drives. On
>> the boot partition it loads the ntoskrnl.exe and hal.dll starting XP.
>> Don't know the process for Vista.
>>
>
> The MBR does not load a file on the active (boot) partition; rather it
> transfers control to some address in the boot sector of the active
> partition. It seems to me that this address must be the same for a machine
> that has only XP on it, and one that has only Vista, and one that has
> both. That is why the MBR can be (essentially) the same for different
> OS's.
>
> David Wilkinson

Thanks everyone responding to my post.
Let me modify my original post as follwos:

Master drive WXP D: System
Slave drive WVT C: Boot

Note the drive names(D:,C, "System" and "Boot" as above are those
shown on Disk Management display of WVT. Another word when WXP is let
boot its drive name becomes C: and the display of "Boot" disappears from
WVT drive.

I know that the original WXP boot sector can be recovered by FIXBOOT but
files for booting WVT called "System" files are still left in the root
of WXP drive. Thus my first question:

1) How can I remove those WVT system files from the WXP drive?

If the boot secter of the WXP partitition is reverted back as above,
then WVT no longer boots. Thus my second question:

2) How can I add the WVT's "System" files to the installed WVT so that
WVT's boot process do not have to go through the WXP?

Go into your BIOS and change the boot priority so that your Vista drive is
the first HDD in boot prioriry. Then using your Vista install DVD run a
repair of the startup. This will install all the files you need on the
Vista drive.


"churin" <churin@new.postalias> wrote in message
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> Thanks everyone responding to my post.
> Let me modify my original post as follwos:
>
> Master drive WXP D: System
> Slave drive WVT C: Boot
>
> Note the drive names(D:,C, "System" and "Boot" as above are those shown
> on Disk Management display of WVT. Another word when WXP is let boot its
> drive name becomes C: and the display of "Boot" disappears from WVT drive.
>
> I know that the original WXP boot sector can be recovered by FIXBOOT but
> files for booting WVT called "System" files are still left in the root of
> WXP drive. Thus my first question:
>
> 1) How can I remove those WVT system files from the WXP drive?
>
> If the boot secter of the WXP partitition is reverted back as above, then
> WVT no longer boots. Thus my second question:
>
> 2) How can I add the WVT's "System" files to the installed WVT so that
> WVT's boot process do not have to go through the WXP?
>
>

You did not answer my question 1) but the problem is that if WXP drive
is left as is then the WVT's "system" files in there are used when the
WVT boots even if the WVT installation is repaired by whatever means.

Maybe there is something wrong with this hardware system. I wonder why
the WVT's "System" files are installed in WXP's drive. The WXP was on
the master drive. The first boot priority drive was swithed from the
master to the slave, then the WVT was installed. Drive name for the WVT
is correctly assigned as C: but the WVT's "System" files went into WXP
drive instead of WVT drive which is contrary to what I expected.

John Barnes wrote:
> Go into your BIOS and change the boot priority so that your Vista drive is
> the first HDD in boot prioriry. Then using your Vista install DVD run a
> repair of the startup. This will install all the files you need on the
> Vista drive.
>
>
> "churin" <churin@new.postalias> wrote in message
> news:%23otG%23a79GHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks everyone responding to my post.
>> Let me modify my original post as follwos:
>>
>> Master drive WXP D: System
>> Slave drive WVT C: Boot
>>
>> Note the drive names(D:,C, "System" and "Boot" as above are those shown
>> on Disk Management display of WVT. Another word when WXP is let boot its
>> drive name becomes C: and the display of "Boot" disappears from WVT drive.
>>
>> I know that the original WXP boot sector can be recovered by FIXBOOT but
>> files for booting WVT called "System" files are still left in the root of
>> WXP drive. Thus my first question:
>>
>> 1) How can I remove those WVT system files from the WXP drive?
>>
>> If the boot secter of the WXP partitition is reverted back as above, then
>> WVT no longer boots. Thus my second question:
>>
>> 2) How can I add the WVT's "System" files to the installed WVT so that
>> WVT's boot process do not have to go through the WXP?
>>
>>

When you installed, you had the XP drive as your system drive, therefore the
Vista boot files were placed there.
If you want to restore the XP drive booting, download VistaBootPro
http://www.vistabootpro.org/ and with your xp drive as the boot priority
drive, restore XP boot.

"churin" <churin@new.postalias> wrote in message
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> You did not answer my question 1) but the problem is that if WXP drive is
> left as is then the WVT's "system" files in there are used when the WVT
> boots even if the WVT installation is repaired by whatever means.
>
> Maybe there is something wrong with this hardware system. I wonder why the
> WVT's "System" files are installed in WXP's drive. The WXP was on the
> master drive. The first boot priority drive was swithed from the master to
> the slave, then the WVT was installed. Drive name for the WVT is correctly
> assigned as C: but the WVT's "System" files went into WXP drive instead of
> WVT drive which is contrary to what I expected.
>
> John Barnes wrote:
>> Go into your BIOS and change the boot priority so that your Vista drive
>> is the first HDD in boot prioriry. Then using your Vista install DVD run
>> a repair of the startup. This will install all the files you need on the
>> Vista drive.
>>
>>
>> "churin" <churin@new.postalias> wrote in message
>> news:%23otG%23a79GHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks everyone responding to my post.
>>> Let me modify my original post as follwos:
>>>
>>> Master drive WXP D: System
>>> Slave drive WVT C: Boot
>>>
>>> Note the drive names(D:,C, "System" and "Boot" as above are those
>>> shown on Disk Management display of WVT. Another word when WXP is let
>>> boot its drive name becomes C: and the display of "Boot" disappears from
>>> WVT drive.
>>>
>>> I know that the original WXP boot sector can be recovered by FIXBOOT but
>>> files for booting WVT called "System" files are still left in the root
>>> of WXP drive. Thus my first question:
>>>
>>> 1) How can I remove those WVT system files from the WXP drive?
>>>
>>> If the boot secter of the WXP partitition is reverted back as above,
>>> then WVT no longer boots. Thus my second question:
>>>
>>> 2) How can I add the WVT's "System" files to the installed WVT so that
>>> WVT's boot process do not have to go through the WXP?
>>>
>>>

"churin" wrote:

> My hardware system has two physical drives and WXP is on the first drive
> and WVT(Windows Vista) is on the second drive respectively. The physical
> drives, the OSs, the drive names, and the location of WVT's "System"
> files and "Boot" files are as follows:
>
> 1st Physical drive WXP D: System
> 2nd Physical drive WVT C: Boot
>
> Note that the drive names shown above are those assigned when WVT is
> booted.
>
> My question: How can I remove the WVT's "System" files from WXP, AND
> properly add them to WVT's installation? I want each of multiple OS's
> installed to be a self-standing installation.

@John Barnes: your last suggestion is EXACTLY the same as doing what i
originaly posted and what churin knew from the beginning, which is doing
"fixboot".

@churin: this is what i understand: you want to be able to have two bootable
drives being only accesable from "Boot Mneu" or "CMOS" so as far as the OS's
are concerned there is only one. this is very easy and you already know how
to do it.
first start with the XP drive, and do "fixboot" that will make that drive
bootable again just like the first time you installed XP.
second: shut down and unplug the XP drive and boot Vista with the DVD, then
at the second screen (install screen) at the bottom left choose repair. then
at the dialog box highlight your Vista installation and choose next, then
choose "Repair Sart up" at the top of the next dialog box then choose next.
once completed choose finish and the system will reboot. if it did not work
the first time try again. for me twice has been the magic number,but others
have had to do it three times.

thats it now you will have to select each system through Boot Menu or CMOS.
this is the way i run my system no need for "Dual Booting"

hope that helps

John Barnes wrote:
> When you installed, you had the XP drive as your system drive, therefore the
> Vista boot files were placed there.

I assume that you mean to say:

"When you installed WVT, you had the WXP drive as your system drive,
therefor the WVT "System" files were placed there."

It appears that the "System" file of WVT went to the WXP's drive but I
do not understand why the above is the reason. Please review how I
installed WVT in my previous post.

> If you want to restore the XP drive booting, download VistaBootPro
> http://www.vistabootpro.org/ and with your xp drive as the boot priority
> drive, restore XP boot.

Using VistaBootPro, can I remove all WVT related files from WXP
installation so that what are to be done is not the same as FIXBOOT
under WXP's Recovery Console?

>
> "churin" <churin@new.postalias> wrote in message
> news:eBMQuk99GHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> You did not answer my question 1) but the problem is that if WXP drive is
>> left as is then the WVT's "system" files in there are used when the WVT
>> boots even if the WVT installation is repaired by whatever means.
>>
>> Maybe there is something wrong with this hardware system. I wonder why the
>> WVT's "System" files are installed in WXP's drive. The WXP was on the
>> master drive. The first boot priority drive was swithed from the master to
>> the slave, then the WVT was installed. Drive name for the WVT is correctly
>> assigned as C: but the WVT's "System" files went into WXP drive instead of
>> WVT drive which is contrary to what I expected.
>>
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>> Go into your BIOS and change the boot priority so that your Vista drive
>>> is the first HDD in boot prioriry. Then using your Vista install DVD run
>>> a repair of the startup. This will install all the files you need on the
>>> Vista drive.
>>>
>>>
>>> "churin" <churin@new.postalias> wrote in message
>>> news:%23otG%23a79GHA.4468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks everyone responding to my post.
>>>> Let me modify my original post as follwos:
>>>>
>>>> Master drive WXP D: System
>>>> Slave drive WVT C: Boot
>>>>
>>>> Note the drive names(D:,C, "System" and "Boot" as above are those
>>>> shown on Disk Management display of WVT. Another word when WXP is let
>>>> boot its drive name becomes C: and the display of "Boot" disappears from
>>>> WVT drive.
>>>>
>>>> I know that the original WXP boot sector can be recovered by FIXBOOT but
>>>> files for booting WVT called "System" files are still left in the root
>>>> of WXP drive. Thus my first question:
>>>>
>>>> 1) How can I remove those WVT system files from the WXP drive?
>>>>
>>>> If the boot secter of the WXP partitition is reverted back as above,
>>>> then WVT no longer boots. Thus my second question:
>>>>
>>>> 2) How can I add the WVT's "System" files to the installed WVT so that
>>>> WVT's boot process do not have to go through the WXP?
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

> I assume that you mean to say:
>
> "When you installed WVT, you had the WXP drive as your system drive,
> therefor the WVT "System" files were placed there."

Yes


Use WXP Recovery console and do the fixboot (make sure that xp is your
system drive or you will mess up Vista - or if you know how to do it
determine the drive as enumerated in RC by using map and determine the xp
drive, then add that drive letter to the fixboot command see fixboot /? for
info). You will have to remove any Vista files manually. There in nothing
that I know of to remove them, only render them inactive (bypass-ignore, you
pick the word you like)

Confucious wrote:
>
> "churin" wrote:
>
>> My hardware system has two physical drives and WXP is on the first drive
>> and WVT(Windows Vista) is on the second drive respectively. The physical
>> drives, the OSs, the drive names, and the location of WVT's "System"
>> files and "Boot" files are as follows:
>>
>> 1st Physical drive WXP D: System
>> 2nd Physical drive WVT C: Boot
>>
>> Note that the drive names shown above are those assigned when WVT is
>> booted.
>>
>> My question: How can I remove the WVT's "System" files from WXP, AND
>> properly add them to WVT's installation? I want each of multiple OS's
>> installed to be a self-standing installation.
>
> @John Barnes: your last suggestion is EXACTLY the same as doing what i
> originaly posted and what churin knew from the beginning, which is doing
> "fixboot".
>
> @churin: this is what i understand: you want to be able to have two bootable
> drives being only accesable from "Boot Mneu" or "CMOS" so as far as the OS's
> are concerned there is only one. this is very easy and you already know how
> to do it.
> first start with the XP drive, and do "fixboot" that will make that drive
> bootable again just like the first time you installed XP.
> second: shut down and unplug the XP drive and boot Vista with the DVD, then
> at the second screen (install screen) at the bottom left choose repair. then
> at the dialog box highlight your Vista installation and choose next, then
> choose "Repair Sart up" at the top of the next dialog box then choose next.
> once completed choose finish and the system will reboot. if it did not work
> the first time try again. for me twice has been the magic number,but others
> have had to do it three times.
>
> thats it now you will have to select each system through Boot Menu or CMOS.
> this is the way i run my system no need for "Dual Booting"
>
> hope that helps
Sorry for this late reply. My internet connection was down this afternoon.

You are right I do switching among multiple OSs by changing boot
priority and/or active drive. The system is more reliable and OS drive
letter is always C:

Back to the topic:
The reason why question 1)is that even the WVT is fixed(I did fix) as
long as the "System" files of WVT are left in WXP installation, then
when booting WVT the "System" files of WVT in the WXP apppears to be
used according to what Disk Management says. Besides, if I attempt to
remove drive letter from WXP, error message says "It can not be removed
because it is being used".

John Barnes wrote:
>> I assume that you mean to say:
>>
>> "When you installed WVT, you had the WXP drive as your system drive,
>> therefor the WVT "System" files were placed there."
>
> Yes
>
>
> Use WXP Recovery console and do the fixboot (make sure that xp is your
> system drive or you will mess up Vista - or if you know how to do it
> determine the drive as enumerated in RC by using map and determine the xp
> drive, then add that drive letter to the fixboot command see fixboot /? for
> info). You will have to remove any Vista files manually. There in nothing
> that I know of to remove them, only render them inactive (bypass-ignore, you
> pick the word you like)
>

You say "You will have to remove any Vista files manually" but my
question 1) in the origianl post is "How to do it" because I was unable
to do it. I attempted to do from another WXP which is installed in the
same hardware system but to no avail.