Vista - Apparently you cant install in certain ways

You cant upgrade from XP Pro to Vista below a certain level for example.
Why?

I caught the post below in another newsgroup. Anyone got any comments?




1/ You cannot upgrade from WinXP Pro to either Vista Basic Home Edition or
Vista Premium Home Edition


2/ You can only upgrade if you have WINXP with SP2 installed and activated
on your computer. No more formatting and inserting disc to show you have
the previous system. So if your hard drive dies and you have to reinstall
Vista you have to install XP ( and update it to SP2 ) first.


3/ You cannot then install your XP Pro on another computer ( well you can
but you wont be able to activate it )


4/ In the USA ( and Canada ) if you purchase one copy you can then under the
"family" plan you can purchase 2 more copies for US$50 each. But Microsoft
doesnt really give a stuff about anything outside of Nth America


Just a couple of little surprises for people thinking about going the Vista
route

Such "downgrades" are not allowed because there is a loss of functionality
in XP Pro that Vista HB or HP does not include. In such cases a custom
install is required and the upgrade option is diabled by Setup.

This is not new to Vista. It is the same reason you cannot upgrade from
Windows 2000 to XP Home but must do a clean install of Home, providing the
Win2k cd when requested.

This does not mean that you cannot use a Vista upgrade edition to install
VHB or VHP on a computer running XP Pro. It just means that you cannot
upgrade the bits to do it and a custom install is required.

"Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
news:uzj3IeaPHHA.4424@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> You cant upgrade from XP Pro to Vista below a certain level for example.
> Why?
>
> I caught the post below in another newsgroup. Anyone got any comments?
>
>
>
>
> 1/ You cannot upgrade from WinXP Pro to either Vista Basic Home Edition or
> Vista Premium Home Edition
>
>
> 2/ You can only upgrade if you have WINXP with SP2 installed and activated
> on your computer. No more formatting and inserting disc to show you
> have
> the previous system. So if your hard drive dies and you have to reinstall
> Vista you have to install XP ( and update it to SP2 ) first.
>
>
> 3/ You cannot then install your XP Pro on another computer ( well you can
> but you wont be able to activate it )
>
>
> 4/ In the USA ( and Canada ) if you purchase one copy you can then under
> the
> "family" plan you can purchase 2 more copies for US$50 each. But
> Microsoft
> doesnt really give a stuff about anything outside of Nth America
>
>
> Just a couple of little surprises for people thinking about going the
> Vista
> route
>
>
>

I am not going to believe much on the upgrade paths until the retail version
hits the shelves there are just too many conflicting reports on what you can
and can not do with vista upgrade. Once those come out we will see what you
can and can not do.

"Diamontina Cocktail" wrote:

> You cant upgrade from XP Pro to Vista below a certain level for example.
> Why?
>
> I caught the post below in another newsgroup. Anyone got any comments?
>
>
>
>
> 1/ You cannot upgrade from WinXP Pro to either Vista Basic Home Edition or
> Vista Premium Home Edition
>
>
> 2/ You can only upgrade if you have WINXP with SP2 installed and activated
> on your computer. No more formatting and inserting disc to show you have
> the previous system. So if your hard drive dies and you have to reinstall
> Vista you have to install XP ( and update it to SP2 ) first.
>
>
> 3/ You cannot then install your XP Pro on another computer ( well you can
> but you wont be able to activate it )
>
>
> 4/ In the USA ( and Canada ) if you purchase one copy you can then under the
> "family" plan you can purchase 2 more copies for US$50 each. But Microsoft
> doesnt really give a stuff about anything outside of Nth America
>
>
> Just a couple of little surprises for people thinking about going the Vista
> route
>
>
>
>

Hi,

1) Yep, just like XP Home would not upgrade NT4 or 2000. This is not
unusual, nor is it a change from previous policies.

2) I'm not certain you have to have SP2 installed, but you do need to be
activated. Yes, you can no longer perform a clean install with an upgrade
disk by showing it a copy of a CD, this is because too often upgrades disks
were shown illegitimate copies. All x86 upgrade disks must be started from
within the existing OS to be upgraded, and this ensures that the existing OS
is legit since it will be activated.

3) You never could with an upgrade. Part of the price break is that you are
incorporating a license you already own into the upgrade. If you want two
installs, you need two full licenses.

4) Yes, purchase Ultimate and get two copies of Home premium for an extra
$50 each. It's not available outside of the US most likely because any offer
has to be in compliance with the laws of the country in which it's sold.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
news:uzj3IeaPHHA.4424@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> You cant upgrade from XP Pro to Vista below a certain level for example.
> Why?
>
> I caught the post below in another newsgroup. Anyone got any comments?
>
>
>
>
> 1/ You cannot upgrade from WinXP Pro to either Vista Basic Home Edition or
> Vista Premium Home Edition
>
>
> 2/ You can only upgrade if you have WINXP with SP2 installed and activated
> on your computer. No more formatting and inserting disc to show you
> have
> the previous system. So if your hard drive dies and you have to reinstall
> Vista you have to install XP ( and update it to SP2 ) first.
>
>
> 3/ You cannot then install your XP Pro on another computer ( well you can
> but you wont be able to activate it )
>
>
> 4/ In the USA ( and Canada ) if you purchase one copy you can then under
> the
> "family" plan you can purchase 2 more copies for US$50 each. But
> Microsoft
> doesnt really give a stuff about anything outside of Nth America
>
>
> Just a couple of little surprises for people thinking about going the
> Vista
> route
>
>
>

Hi,

Upgrade matrix:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...gradeinfo.mspx

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Emory Tech" <EmoryTech@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:02121BB1-7648-4C18-8180-5F3F5C70C66C@microsoft.com...
>I am not going to believe much on the upgrade paths until the retail
>version
> hits the shelves there are just too many conflicting reports on what you
> can
> and can not do with vista upgrade. Once those come out we will see what
> you
> can and can not do.
>
> "Diamontina Cocktail" wrote:
>
>> You cant upgrade from XP Pro to Vista below a certain level for example.
>> Why?
>>
>> I caught the post below in another newsgroup. Anyone got any comments?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1/ You cannot upgrade from WinXP Pro to either Vista Basic Home Edition
>> or
>> Vista Premium Home Edition
>>
>>
>> 2/ You can only upgrade if you have WINXP with SP2 installed and
>> activated
>> on your computer. No more formatting and inserting disc to show you
>> have
>> the previous system. So if your hard drive dies and you have to reinstall
>> Vista you have to install XP ( and update it to SP2 ) first.
>>
>>
>> 3/ You cannot then install your XP Pro on another computer ( well you
>> can
>> but you wont be able to activate it )
>>
>>
>> 4/ In the USA ( and Canada ) if you purchase one copy you can then under
>> the
>> "family" plan you can purchase 2 more copies for US$50 each. But
>> Microsoft
>> doesnt really give a stuff about anything outside of Nth America
>>
>>
>> Just a couple of little surprises for people thinking about going the
>> Vista
>> route
>>
>>
>>
>>

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OcVACpaPHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> 1) Yep, just like XP Home would not upgrade NT4 or 2000. This is not
> unusual, nor is it a change from previous policies.
>
> 2) I'm not certain you have to have SP2 installed, but you do need to be
> activated. Yes, you can no longer perform a clean install with an upgrade
> disk by showing it a copy of a CD, this is because too often upgrades
> disks were shown illegitimate copies. All x86 upgrade disks must be
> started from within the existing OS to be upgraded, and this ensures that
> the existing OS is legit since it will be activated.

What happens when later you wanted to re install vista upgrade after you
cant activated xp anymore because of the previous vista install. Can you
just re install it from within vista since its activated and choose either
upgrade or custom install?


>
> 3) You never could with an upgrade. Part of the price break is that you
> are incorporating a license you already own into the upgrade. If you want
> two installs, you need two full licenses.
>
> 4) Yes, purchase Ultimate and get two copies of Home premium for an extra
> $50 each. It's not available outside of the US most likely because any
> offer has to be in compliance with the laws of the country in which it's
> sold.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:uzj3IeaPHHA.4424@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> You cant upgrade from XP Pro to Vista below a certain level for example.
>> Why?
>>
>> I caught the post below in another newsgroup. Anyone got any comments?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1/ You cannot upgrade from WinXP Pro to either Vista Basic Home Edition
>> or
>> Vista Premium Home Edition
>>
>>
>> 2/ You can only upgrade if you have WINXP with SP2 installed and
>> activated
>> on your computer. No more formatting and inserting disc to show you
>> have
>> the previous system. So if your hard drive dies and you have to reinstall
>> Vista you have to install XP ( and update it to SP2 ) first.
>>
>>
>> 3/ You cannot then install your XP Pro on another computer ( well you
>> can
>> but you wont be able to activate it )
>>
>>
>> 4/ In the USA ( and Canada ) if you purchase one copy you can then under
>> the
>> "family" plan you can purchase 2 more copies for US$50 each. But
>> Microsoft
>> doesnt really give a stuff about anything outside of Nth America
>>
>>
>> Just a couple of little surprises for people thinking about going the
>> Vista
>> route
>>
>>
>>
>

No. You will have to reinstall the legacy OS and then reinstall Vista
again.

"Ken" <notforu@sothere.com> wrote in message
news:eCRCEPbPHHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
> What happens when later you wanted to re install vista upgrade after you
> cant activated xp anymore because of the previous vista install. Can you
> just re install it from within vista since its activated and choose either
> upgrade or custom install?
>

Yes but how can you do it if you cant activate it anymore? Do i just use
win2000 or something because of no activation?

Ken




"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8020F97F-DFFD-4892-884E-DF32A54DB7E0@microsoft.com...
> No. You will have to reinstall the legacy OS and then reinstall Vista
> again.
>
> "Ken" <notforu@sothere.com> wrote in message
> news:eCRCEPbPHHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> What happens when later you wanted to re install vista upgrade after you
>> cant activated xp anymore because of the previous vista install. Can you
>> just re install it from within vista since its activated and choose
>> either upgrade or custom install?
>>
>

Who says you can't activate it anymore? I know that product keys can be
cancelled but I doubt that applies here because MS is not trying to make
things impossible for you. You may get a message that the pk is in use and
instructions to call the activations center, but I doubt it. The activation
center may want to verify that you are not attempting to reinstall out of
compliance, but I don't see them not letting you reconstruct the same system
that the legacy Windows was on when you upgraded to Vista. If you are
uncertain then simply wait until after Jan 30 when we have reports from
users on these matters.

"Ken" <notforu@sothere.com> wrote in message
news:eD9O$ZbPHHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
> Yes but how can you do it if you cant activate it anymore? Do i just use
> win2000 or something because of no activation?
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:8020F97F-DFFD-4892-884E-DF32A54DB7E0@microsoft.com...
>> No. You will have to reinstall the legacy OS and then reinstall Vista
>> again.
>>
>> "Ken" <notforu@sothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:eCRCEPbPHHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>> What happens when later you wanted to re install vista upgrade after you
>>> cant activated xp anymore because of the previous vista install. Can you
>>> just re install it from within vista since its activated and choose
>>> either upgrade or custom install?
>>>
>>
>
>

Ok thanks. The reason i ask was because i thought the original vista upgrade
install de activates xp so you cant use it anymore. So when you want to go
and re install vista later on you have to reinstall xp and have it activated
again. But i guess ringing up and explaining what you want to do they may be
will let you re activate again.

Ken


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8AC4C43A-F343-42C2-947C-2DC329B862AC@microsoft.com...
> Who says you can't activate it anymore? I know that product keys can be
> cancelled but I doubt that applies here because MS is not trying to make
> things impossible for you. You may get a message that the pk is in use
> and instructions to call the activations center, but I doubt it. The
> activation center may want to verify that you are not attempting to
> reinstall out of compliance, but I don't see them not letting you
> reconstruct the same system that the legacy Windows was on when you
> upgraded to Vista. If you are uncertain then simply wait until after Jan
> 30 when we have reports from users on these matters.
>
> "Ken" <notforu@sothere.com> wrote in message
> news:eD9O$ZbPHHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> Yes but how can you do it if you cant activate it anymore? Do i just use
>> win2000 or something because of no activation?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:8020F97F-DFFD-4892-884E-DF32A54DB7E0@microsoft.com...
>>> No. You will have to reinstall the legacy OS and then reinstall Vista
>>> again.
>>>
>>> "Ken" <notforu@sothere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eCRCEPbPHHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What happens when later you wanted to re install vista upgrade after
>>>> you cant activated xp anymore because of the previous vista install.
>>>> Can you just re install it from within vista since its activated and
>>>> choose either upgrade or custom install?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>