Vista - Dual Boot question.

I want to install Vista so I can dual boot with XP. I do not want to
do the dual-boot the conventional way, i.e. using BOOT.INI to select
the booting OS...I have Linux here too ;-).

I like to keep my OSs completely separate and unaware of each other,
to is it possible to use a partition manager to ensure that Vista will
not install any detritus into the Win XP partition?

Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

Vista does not use Boot.ini anyway. The problem will not be Vista doing
anything to XP. It is the reverse. Booting into XP will do bad things to
your Vista recovery options, both files and system recoveries.

Use a boot manager like BootIt NG.

"Dr Teeth" <no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote in message
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>I want to install Vista so I can dual boot with XP. I do not want to
> do the dual-boot the conventional way, i.e. using BOOT.INI to select
> the booting OS...I have Linux here too ;-).
>
> I like to keep my OSs completely separate and unaware of each other,
> to is it possible to use a partition manager to ensure that Vista will
> not install any detritus into the Win XP partition?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Guy
>
> ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
> ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
> ** out of someone who richly deserves it.

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:04:50 -0700, "Colin Barnhorst"
<colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote:

>The problem will not be Vista doing
>anything to XP. It is the reverse. Booting into XP will do bad things to
>your Vista recovery options, both files and system recoveries.

Could you please elaborate? I have had many OSs installed at the same
time and have never had any problems associated with one being aware
of the other.

The reason I ask is that I made a slight error in installing RC1 (by
not doing what I normally do) and Vista placed some files in my XP
partition that were a devil to remove.

Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

Please search this ng and the vista.general ng on "volsnap.sys." This has
been elaborated on ad nauseum. The reason you haven't run into this before
is that Windows OS's prior to XP did not have VSS. MS enhanced VSS in Vista
and the XP volsnap.sys (VSS driver) is incompatible with Vista VSS. It
removes incompatible VSS files upon booting into XP. Volsnap.sys enumerates
all VSS files systemwide so when it enumerates the ones on the Vista volume
it deletes them. As I said, please do the search. The explanations are
pretty detailed. This is not a Vista bug because it is not caused by Vista.
It is an incompatibility between Vista and XP VSS. MS is well aware of this
issue and has decided not to fix it because it would require an extensive
rewrite to XP and the percentage of the user base who dual boot is minuscle.

"Dr Teeth" <no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:04:50 -0700, "Colin Barnhorst"
> <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>The problem will not be Vista doing
>>anything to XP. It is the reverse. Booting into XP will do bad things to
>>your Vista recovery options, both files and system recoveries.
>
> Could you please elaborate? I have had many OSs installed at the same
> time and have never had any problems associated with one being aware
> of the other.
>
> The reason I ask is that I made a slight error in installing RC1 (by
> not doing what I normally do) and Vista placed some files in my XP
> partition that were a devil to remove.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Guy
>
> ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
> ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
> ** out of someone who richly deserves it.

Doc Teeth--

Maybe these refs will help--you didn't say what version of Linux you're
using:

Adding Boot Entries
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms791568.aspx

Hack Attack: How to triple-boot Windows XP, Vista, and Ubuntu
http://lifehacker.com/software/ubunt...ntu-193474.php

CH


"Dr Teeth" <no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote in message
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>I want to install Vista so I can dual boot with XP. I do not want to
> do the dual-boot the conventional way, i.e. using BOOT.INI to select
> the booting OS...I have Linux here too ;-).
>
> I like to keep my OSs completely separate and unaware of each other,
> to is it possible to use a partition manager to ensure that Vista will
> not install any detritus into the Win XP partition?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Guy
>
> ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
> ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
> ** out of someone who richly deserves it.

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:45:09 -0500, "Chad Harris"
<getsomevistainfoout.net> wrote:

>Maybe these refs will help--you didn't say what version of Linux you're
>using:

I have quadruple-booted before (two versions of Linux and two versions
of windows). I am just trying to make sure whether Vista will do
something to the other partitions even though I install each version
of windows into an empty and active partition.

I use the boot manager that comes with partitionmagic and would rather
not change.

Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

Make sure the other partitions are hidden from Vista. I haven't used PM
boot manager in years, but you should be able to make the other partitions
hidden when Vista is selected in the boot manager.

"Dr Teeth" <no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:45:09 -0500, "Chad Harris"
> <getsomevistainfoout.net> wrote:
>
>>Maybe these refs will help--you didn't say what version of Linux you're
>>using:
>
> I have quadruple-booted before (two versions of Linux and two versions
> of windows). I am just trying to make sure whether Vista will do
> something to the other partitions even though I install each version
> of windows into an empty and active partition.
>
> I use the boot manager that comes with partitionmagic and would rather
> not change.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Guy
>
> ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
> ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
> ** out of someone who richly deserves it.

If you are using XP SP2 you should hide the Vista partition from XP
otherwise XP will erase Vista's System Restore points and Shadow
copies every time you boot into XP. Vista can see the XP partition
with no problem.


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message news:uCiML1uQHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| Make sure the other partitions are hidden from Vista. I haven't used PM
| boot manager in years, but you should be able to make the other partitions
| hidden when Vista is selected in the boot manager.
|
| "Dr Teeth" <no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote in message
| news:3idnr217unm6r78d59hei7i2k8c6boqddo@4ax.com...
| > On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:45:09 -0500, "Chad Harris"
| > <getsomevistainfoout.net> wrote:
| >
| >>Maybe these refs will help--you didn't say what version of Linux you're
| >>using:
| >
| > I have quadruple-booted before (two versions of Linux and two versions
| > of windows). I am just trying to make sure whether Vista will do
| > something to the other partitions even though I install each version
| > of windows into an empty and active partition.
| >
| > I use the boot manager that comes with partitionmagic and would rather
| > not change.
| >
| > Cheers,
| >
| > Guy
| >
| > ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
| > ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
| > ** out of someone who richly deserves it.
|

Correct.

"dirty old man" <abc@def.com> wrote in message
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> If you are using XP SP2 you should hide the Vista partition from XP
> otherwise XP will erase Vista's System Restore points and Shadow
> copies every time you boot into XP. Vista can see the XP partition
> with no problem.
>
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:uCiML1uQHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | Make sure the other partitions are hidden from Vista. I haven't used PM
> | boot manager in years, but you should be able to make the other
> partitions
> | hidden when Vista is selected in the boot manager.
> |
> | "Dr Teeth" <no_email_here_please@tardis.com> wrote in message
> | news:3idnr217unm6r78d59hei7i2k8c6boqddo@4ax.com...
> | > On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:45:09 -0500, "Chad Harris"
> | > <getsomevistainfoout.net> wrote:
> | >
> | >>Maybe these refs will help--you didn't say what version of Linux
> you're
> | >>using:
> | >
> | > I have quadruple-booted before (two versions of Linux and two versions
> | > of windows). I am just trying to make sure whether Vista will do
> | > something to the other partitions even though I install each version
> | > of windows into an empty and active partition.
> | >
> | > I use the boot manager that comes with partitionmagic and would rather
> | > not change.
> | >
> | > Cheers,
> | >
> | > Guy
> | >
> | > ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
> | > ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
> | > ** out of someone who richly deserves it.
> |
>
>

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:39:05 -0500, "dirty old man" <abc@def.com>
wrote:

>Vista can see the XP partition
>with no problem.

Even when the XP partition is hidden? I never let OS partitions 'see'
each other. I have a common area (another partition) that I use for
cross-OS access of data.

Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.