Vista - Just for you MVP's...

The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085


Just for you MVP's...


-Pete

The reasons mentioned in those articles are FUD, DRM I mean come on debunked
months ago, printers on XP machines not working? Get real, there's a 6 year
old printer right here hooked up to an XP machine over the parallel port
working fine from Vista.

Windows Vista is far from sinking. According to
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 Windows Vista in its
first month on sale over took Linux, Windows NT and Windows ME. At the rate
its going it'll overtake Windows 98 in the next 2 weeks or so. Even if it
slows drastically it'll still overtake Mac OS and Windows 2000 easily by the
end of the 3rd quarter.

May be you should check the definitions on the word "sinking".

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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"Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
> http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/
>
> http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085
>
>
> Just for you MVP's...
>
>
> -Pete
>
>

"Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
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> The reasons mentioned in those articles are FUD, DRM I mean come on
> debunked months ago, printers on XP machines not working? Get real,
> there's a 6 year old printer right here hooked up to an XP machine over
> the parallel port working fine from Vista.
>
> Windows Vista is far from sinking. According to
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 Windows Vista in its
> first month on sale over took Linux, Windows NT and Windows ME. At the
> rate its going it'll overtake Windows 98 in the next 2 weeks or so. Even
> if it slows drastically it'll still overtake Mac OS and Windows 2000
> easily by the end of the 3rd quarter.
>
> May be you should check the definitions on the word "sinking".
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>
>
> "Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:etvpZgSXHHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
>> http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/
>>
>> http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085
>>
>>
>> Just for you MVP's...
>>
>>
>> -Pete
>>
>>
>
So, they/we struck a nerve.
Just giving you the information from the pro's!
My take: "Worst Release Ever"
You should be more in touch.

To me, the Yahoo article was written by someone that didn't do their
homework... Take away UAC and it's no different than Vista? Flip3D & a
pretty interface being the only other reason for an upgrade? Sounds like
someone didn't research, or possibly even install, Windows Vista.

As far as lackluster sales... More sales are from the OEM sector than from
people rushing out to buy an upgrade. With a lot of users running older PC's
with hardware that just won't run Vista, there is no reason for them to
upgrade. XP works fine with their P4 2.4, 256MB RAM... They'd spend a lot
just upgrading the PC and buying Vista. So, if and when they need more
power: they buy a new PC and throw the old one away (or give it to the
kids). Simple reason for that. Once more and more home users upgrade or buy
new PC's, the corporate world will start upgrading (and with the release of
Longhorn Server) to Vista. Little to no learning curve, as they already run
it at home.

--
Dustin Harper
dharper@vistarip.com
http://www.vistarip.com

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"Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
> news:C18BAE8E-2D34-45F2-BE5D-3EF39564CD01@microsoft.com...
>> The reasons mentioned in those articles are FUD, DRM I mean come on
>> debunked months ago, printers on XP machines not working? Get real,
>> there's a 6 year old printer right here hooked up to an XP machine over
>> the parallel port working fine from Vista.
>>
>> Windows Vista is far from sinking. According to
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 Windows Vista in its
>> first month on sale over took Linux, Windows NT and Windows ME. At the
>> rate its going it'll overtake Windows 98 in the next 2 weeks or so. Even
>> if it slows drastically it'll still overtake Mac OS and Windows 2000
>> easily by the end of the 3rd quarter.
>>
>> May be you should check the definitions on the word "sinking".
>>
>> --
>> Paul Smith,
>> Yeovil, UK.
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>
>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>
>>
>> "Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:etvpZgSXHHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
>>> http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/
>>>
>>> http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085
>>>
>>>
>>> Just for you MVP's...
>>>
>>>
>>> -Pete
>>>
>>>
>>
> So, they/we struck a nerve.
> Just giving you the information from the pro's!
> My take: "Worst Release Ever"
> You should be more in touch.
>
>

Paul,

Not to pick to fine a point, but not all of it's FUD. To use your example:
I have a 6 year old printer upstairs that DOESN'T work under Vista and
according to HP I'm just out of luck (as they have no intention of providing
a Vista capable driver for it - Officejet 600).

In addition, I can easily find several business class applications on my XP
machine that either don't work or experience significant difficulties under
Vista (almost everything from Avaya for their enterprise Branch PBX systems
for example, Cisco VPN software - probably one of the most used VPN clients
on the planet - to name just two). These are just a few examples of popular
and/or mainstream software applications that don't work properly or
experience problems under Vista.

Despite the many years Microsoft was working on Vista, it just doesn't
appear that many of the third-party software vendors were ready (and I would
have expected companies like Cisco and Avaya to have easily been ready). In
terms of device drivers, I find it personally inexcusable that mainstream
drivers for devices such as those from the most popular graphic vendors (ATI
and NVidia) weren't ready on day 1 and relatively rock solid. That means
you have hardware vendors selling new desktop and laptop equipment WITH
Windows Vista containing devices that aren't yet fully supported or at best
contain "stop gap" drivers until the vendor can get a real driver out.

That being said, many applications and devices DO work, so all-in-all I
personally think it's worth hanging in there while the kinks get worked out.

J

"Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
news:C18BAE8E-2D34-45F2-BE5D-3EF39564CD01@microsoft.com...
> The reasons mentioned in those articles are FUD, DRM I mean come on
> debunked months ago, printers on XP machines not working? Get real,
> there's a 6 year old printer right here hooked up to an XP machine over
> the parallel port working fine from Vista.
>
> Windows Vista is far from sinking. According to
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 Windows Vista in its
> first month on sale over took Linux, Windows NT and Windows ME. At the
> rate its going it'll overtake Windows 98 in the next 2 weeks or so. Even
> if it slows drastically it'll still overtake Mac OS and Windows 2000
> easily by the end of the 3rd quarter.
>
> May be you should check the definitions on the word "sinking".
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>
>
> "Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:etvpZgSXHHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
>> http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/
>>
>> http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085
>>
>>
>> Just for you MVP's...
>>
>>
>> -Pete
>>
>>
>

Joe

This is the point that some of us have made.. regardless of the bugs still
left to be sorted in Vista, 3rd party software and hardware companies have
failed us all..

"Joe Guidera" <jguidera-remove@msn.com> wrote in message
news:2C1D0ED2-A2C2-41CA-8EA5-20BEA5D9815C@microsoft.com...
> Paul,
>
> Not to pick to fine a point, but not all of it's FUD. To use your
> example: I have a 6 year old printer upstairs that DOESN'T work under
> Vista and according to HP I'm just out of luck (as they have no intention
> of providing a Vista capable driver for it - Officejet 600).
>
> In addition, I can easily find several business class applications on my
> XP machine that either don't work or experience significant difficulties
> under Vista (almost everything from Avaya for their enterprise Branch PBX
> systems for example, Cisco VPN software - probably one of the most used
> VPN clients on the planet - to name just two). These are just a few
> examples of popular and/or mainstream software applications that don't
> work properly or experience problems under Vista.
>
> Despite the many years Microsoft was working on Vista, it just doesn't
> appear that many of the third-party software vendors were ready (and I
> would have expected companies like Cisco and Avaya to have easily been
> ready). In terms of device drivers, I find it personally inexcusable that
> mainstream drivers for devices such as those from the most popular graphic
> vendors (ATI and NVidia) weren't ready on day 1 and relatively rock solid.
> That means you have hardware vendors selling new desktop and laptop
> equipment WITH Windows Vista containing devices that aren't yet fully
> supported or at best contain "stop gap" drivers until the vendor can get a
> real driver out.
>
> That being said, many applications and devices DO work, so all-in-all I
> personally think it's worth hanging in there while the kinks get worked
> out.
>
> J
>
> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
> news:C18BAE8E-2D34-45F2-BE5D-3EF39564CD01@microsoft.com...
>> The reasons mentioned in those articles are FUD, DRM I mean come on
>> debunked months ago, printers on XP machines not working? Get real,
>> there's a 6 year old printer right here hooked up to an XP machine over
>> the parallel port working fine from Vista.
>>
>> Windows Vista is far from sinking. According to
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 Windows Vista in its
>> first month on sale over took Linux, Windows NT and Windows ME. At the
>> rate its going it'll overtake Windows 98 in the next 2 weeks or so. Even
>> if it slows drastically it'll still overtake Mac OS and Windows 2000
>> easily by the end of the 3rd quarter.
>>
>> May be you should check the definitions on the word "sinking".
>>
>> --
>> Paul Smith,
>> Yeovil, UK.
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>
>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>
>>
>> "Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:etvpZgSXHHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
>>> http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/
>>>
>>> http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085
>>>
>>>
>>> Just for you MVP's...
>>>
>>>
>>> -Pete
>>>
>>>
>>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Mike:
With XP x64 the 3rd party software and hardware companies started using
the terminology "wait for Vista to be released", the updated terminology
will be "wait for Longhorn to be released". The 3rd party software and
hardware companies are failing us and trying to blame it on Microsoft. The
rules with Vista aren't new, the industry agreed to these rules about 10
years ago, they are just finally being enforced because of the laziness
within the industry. Have a great day.

--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23$3lUsxXHHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Joe
>
> This is the point that some of us have made.. regardless of the bugs still
> left to be sorted in Vista, 3rd party software and hardware companies have
> failed us all..
>
> "Joe Guidera" <jguidera-remove@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:2C1D0ED2-A2C2-41CA-8EA5-20BEA5D9815C@microsoft.com...
>> Paul,
>>
>> Not to pick to fine a point, but not all of it's FUD. To use your
>> example: I have a 6 year old printer upstairs that DOESN'T work under
>> Vista and according to HP I'm just out of luck (as they have no intention
>> of providing a Vista capable driver for it - Officejet 600).
>>
>> In addition, I can easily find several business class applications on my
>> XP machine that either don't work or experience significant difficulties
>> under Vista (almost everything from Avaya for their enterprise Branch PBX
>> systems for example, Cisco VPN software - probably one of the most used
>> VPN clients on the planet - to name just two). These are just a few
>> examples of popular and/or mainstream software applications that don't
>> work properly or experience problems under Vista.
>>
>> Despite the many years Microsoft was working on Vista, it just doesn't
>> appear that many of the third-party software vendors were ready (and I
>> would have expected companies like Cisco and Avaya to have easily been
>> ready). In terms of device drivers, I find it personally inexcusable
>> that mainstream drivers for devices such as those from the most popular
>> graphic vendors (ATI and NVidia) weren't ready on day 1 and relatively
>> rock solid. That means you have hardware vendors selling new desktop and
>> laptop equipment WITH Windows Vista containing devices that aren't yet
>> fully supported or at best contain "stop gap" drivers until the vendor
>> can get a real driver out.
>>
>> That being said, many applications and devices DO work, so all-in-all I
>> personally think it's worth hanging in there while the kinks get worked
>> out.
>>
>> J
>>
>> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
>> news:C18BAE8E-2D34-45F2-BE5D-3EF39564CD01@microsoft.com...
>>> The reasons mentioned in those articles are FUD, DRM I mean come on
>>> debunked months ago, printers on XP machines not working? Get real,
>>> there's a 6 year old printer right here hooked up to an XP machine over
>>> the parallel port working fine from Vista.
>>>
>>> Windows Vista is far from sinking. According to
>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 Windows Vista in its
>>> first month on sale over took Linux, Windows NT and Windows ME. At the
>>> rate its going it'll overtake Windows 98 in the next 2 weeks or so.
>>> Even if it slows drastically it'll still overtake Mac OS and Windows
>>> 2000 easily by the end of the 3rd quarter.
>>>
>>> May be you should check the definitions on the word "sinking".
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Smith,
>>> Yeovil, UK.
>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>>
>>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>>
>>>
>>> "Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:etvpZgSXHHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
>>>> http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/
>>>>
>>>> http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just for you MVP's...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Pete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

Dennis

Not just Vista 64bit.. that was the general consensus.. if there was any way
to ensure that Vista never gotten off of the ground, the 3rd party vendors
have succeeded in part..

These people have had long enough to develop whatever was required.. dammit,
they are quick enough to send out e-mail ads for new versions when we don't
really need them, and then when a new OS appears, they tell us that it is
Microsoft's fault for releasing something new!!

Re 64bit, the motherboards are out there, as is the OS.. so where are the
drivers and programs that will take us all to the next level? Ha, they can't
or won't even produce 32bit drivers and programs..

The way I see it is that they should make it quite clear that they have no
intention of supporting us properly.. they should also make it clear that
they have no intention of supporting their current products beyond the
present OS..


"Dennis Pack" <dennispack@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:7C6E2D86-F6FB-4EA2-A7B8-B643F77A8CDC@microsoft.com...
> Mike:
> With XP x64 the 3rd party software and hardware companies started using
> the terminology "wait for Vista to be released", the updated terminology
> will be "wait for Longhorn to be released". The 3rd party software and
> hardware companies are failing us and trying to blame it on Microsoft. The
> rules with Vista aren't new, the industry agreed to these rules about 10
> years ago, they are just finally being enforced because of the laziness
> within the industry. Have a great day.
>
> --
> Dennis Pack
> XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
> Office2007
> "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23$3lUsxXHHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Joe
>>
>> This is the point that some of us have made.. regardless of the bugs
>> still left to be sorted in Vista, 3rd party software and hardware
>> companies have failed us all..
>>
>> "Joe Guidera" <jguidera-remove@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:2C1D0ED2-A2C2-41CA-8EA5-20BEA5D9815C@microsoft.com...
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Not to pick to fine a point, but not all of it's FUD. To use your
>>> example: I have a 6 year old printer upstairs that DOESN'T work under
>>> Vista and according to HP I'm just out of luck (as they have no
>>> intention of providing a Vista capable driver for it - Officejet 600).
>>>
>>> In addition, I can easily find several business class applications on my
>>> XP machine that either don't work or experience significant difficulties
>>> under Vista (almost everything from Avaya for their enterprise Branch
>>> PBX systems for example, Cisco VPN software - probably one of the most
>>> used VPN clients on the planet - to name just two). These are just a
>>> few examples of popular and/or mainstream software applications that
>>> don't work properly or experience problems under Vista.
>>>
>>> Despite the many years Microsoft was working on Vista, it just doesn't
>>> appear that many of the third-party software vendors were ready (and I
>>> would have expected companies like Cisco and Avaya to have easily been
>>> ready). In terms of device drivers, I find it personally inexcusable
>>> that mainstream drivers for devices such as those from the most popular
>>> graphic vendors (ATI and NVidia) weren't ready on day 1 and relatively
>>> rock solid. That means you have hardware vendors selling new desktop and
>>> laptop equipment WITH Windows Vista containing devices that aren't yet
>>> fully supported or at best contain "stop gap" drivers until the vendor
>>> can get a real driver out.
>>>
>>> That being said, many applications and devices DO work, so all-in-all I
>>> personally think it's worth hanging in there while the kinks get worked
>>> out.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C18BAE8E-2D34-45F2-BE5D-3EF39564CD01@microsoft.com...
>>>> The reasons mentioned in those articles are FUD, DRM I mean come on
>>>> debunked months ago, printers on XP machines not working? Get real,
>>>> there's a 6 year old printer right here hooked up to an XP machine over
>>>> the parallel port working fine from Vista.
>>>>
>>>> Windows Vista is far from sinking. According to
>>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 Windows Vista in
>>>> its first month on sale over took Linux, Windows NT and Windows ME. At
>>>> the rate its going it'll overtake Windows 98 in the next 2 weeks or so.
>>>> Even if it slows drastically it'll still overtake Mac OS and Windows
>>>> 2000 easily by the end of the 3rd quarter.
>>>>
>>>> May be you should check the definitions on the word "sinking".
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul Smith,
>>>> Yeovil, UK.
>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>>>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>>>
>>>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Pete" <Pete@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:etvpZgSXHHA.1396@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
>>>>> http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/200...g-like-a-rock/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for you MVP's...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>>
>>
>>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/