Vista - Vista Repair Install

With the 'upgrade' repair, Malke, my curiosity got the better of me. While i
regularly image my drives and, at the time, i had only minutes earlier
completed a full image of the system I began to wonder what would happen if
i simply put the DVD into the DVD-ROM and asked it to upgrade over my copy
of Vista ultimate that was already on the PC. The only thing i had got to
lose was the time it would take me to re-image if anything went wrong so, as
they say on TV, 'don't try this at home, children' - well not unless it is
absolutely necessary. Fortunately, even though it took the best part of 4
hours to complete the new upgrade repair, it did work, with the exception
of, as i stated in my last post, the software now being declared as illegal.
However, all the relevant details of what to do and how to handle the
'illegal' part will be uploaded to my website within the next few days. At
least it is 'another' repair option.

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"Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> John Barnett MVP wrote:
>> Malke it is possible to do an 'upgrade' over the original installation of
>> Vista. I have tried it and it did work. A bit of a pain in the backside
>> when, after the upgrade had completed, and Vista nicely told me that I
>> was running an illegal copy (that's a laugh). But it was easy enough to
>> sort out. I haven't had time to update my website with the instructions
>> for an upgrade over the original, but i'm hoping to get it done soon.
>>
>
> Thank you so much, John. Since I haven't had to do a repair of my own
> Vista install and since not that many of my clients have gone to Vista
> (only people buying new laptops), I don't have any hands-on experience
> with Vista repair installs yet.
>
> It will be a learning experience for all of us! ;-)
>
> Thanks again and I'll keep an eye on your excellent site.
>
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

John Barnett MVP wrote:
> With the 'upgrade' repair, Malke, my curiosity got the better of me.
> While i regularly image my drives and, at the time, i had only minutes
> earlier completed a full image of the system I began to wonder what
> would happen if i simply put the DVD into the DVD-ROM and asked it to
> upgrade over my copy of Vista ultimate that was already on the PC. The
> only thing i had got to lose was the time it would take me to re-image
> if anything went wrong so, as they say on TV, 'don't try this at home,
> children' - well not unless it is absolutely necessary. Fortunately,
> even though it took the best part of 4 hours to complete the new upgrade
> repair, it did work, with the exception of, as i stated in my last post,
> the software now being declared as illegal. However, all the relevant
> details of what to do and how to handle the 'illegal' part will be
> uploaded to my website within the next few days. At least it is
> 'another' repair option.
>

Thanks for your sacrifice, John. Better you than me, Sweetie. ;-) I'll
keep checking your website.


Malke
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www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
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Hi JOhn, Thanks for all the help. I posted the reply from Acer elsewhere on
here in fact what it says is: We not giving you disks, if u stuffed up you
try the image thing and if it doesn't work please part with $66-00 of your
hard earned and donate it to our bank account......read in between the lines
"u stuffed and u going to pay". LOL.
Well I found a friend who has Vista home basic, used his disk and my key and
now have illegal software' with the key legally registered in my name' on my
laptop. Will have to go read your problem solver for that on your website.
Thank you for your great site, help and for sharing your knowledge with half
litterates like me.
The lesson I have learned: My company will never buy a laptop from Acer or
any other manufacturer pre loaded with system.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. THANKS AGAIN. JOE

"John Barnett MVP" wrote:

> Joe, as an addition to my last post you may find that the laptop
> manufacturer has included either the original Vista repair options or a set
> of repair options of their own. You really will need to study the
> instructions that came with the laptop for this.
>
> If there are recovery option available (it will probably be a case of
> hitting one of the F buttons when the machine is booting (but again check
> the user manual)) then you could posssibly 'repair' the problem by selecting
> the startup repair options. The repair option will then check the laptop to
> see what operating system is on it and, as it is simply a case of the boot
> manager files being removed, recreate the boot manager. If this can be done
> then Vista should boot when you reboot the computer. If no repair options
> are available then the only other option is to re-image as stated in my
> previous post. If you still can't get to the hidden partition to re-image,
> then you may have to contact the laptop manufacturer and, for a fee, the
> should be able to supply a recovery dvd of some sort.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows - Shell/User
>
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> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
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>
> "Superputer" <Superputer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:64316420-7A63-49B7-B3BD-BE528485C515@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Guys, Joe from Oz here a newbie. Customer brought a new laptop with
> > Vista
> > basic, tried to install XP as dual boot, then deleted the XP partition in
> > XP.
> > Thought Vista will still boot. Obvious it doesn't and no recovery disc,
> > have
> > Vista serial, what do I do? Thank you in anticipation!
> >
> > "Tom" wrote:
> >
> >> Does the Vista DVD have the equivalent of a Windows XP "Repair Install" ?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> -Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

That should have read a repair install "from F8" on Vista."

CH

"Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote in message
news:OWnkDrnZHHA.3272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I believe, but have not done a statistical comparison, that the repair
>install in XP is far more reliable and pretty much guaranteed to fix a
>broken XP than any of the Win RE tools.
>
> It would be very interesting to me to do a statistical study with enough
> numbers comparing a repair install of Vista and the Win RE tools like but
> not excluded to Start up repair.
>
> You can sometimes fix Vista using one of the F8 options also, and
> anecdotally but with no statistical comparison a system restorer from the
> DVD recovery option (Win RE) seems to be more reliable than a system
> restore from F7 on Vista.
>
> CH
>
>
> "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23xWyXXnZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> John Barnett MVP wrote:
>>> Malke it is possible to do an 'upgrade' over the original installation
>>> of Vista. I have tried it and it did work. A bit of a pain in the
>>> backside when, after the upgrade had completed, and Vista nicely told me
>>> that I was running an illegal copy (that's a laugh). But it was easy
>>> enough to sort out. I haven't had time to update my website with the
>>> instructions for an upgrade over the original, but i'm hoping to get it
>>> done soon.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you so much, John. Since I haven't had to do a repair of my own
>> Vista install and since not that many of my clients have gone to Vista
>> (only people buying new laptops), I don't have any hands-on experience
>> with Vista repair installs yet.
>>
>> It will be a learning experience for all of us! ;-)
>>
>> Thanks again and I'll keep an eye on your excellent site.
>>
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>

FYI, several people have now confirmed that doing an upgrade on top of a
Vista install that is malfunctioning has worked. I believe JimR was one of
those. In addition I passed the question to Darrell Gorter who said this is
workable option.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

"Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote
>
> That should have read a repair install "from F8" on Vista."
>
> CH
>
> "Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote in message
> news:OWnkDrnZHHA.3272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I believe, but have not done a statistical comparison, that the repair
>>install in XP is far more reliable and pretty much guaranteed to fix a
>>broken XP than any of the Win RE tools.
>>
>> It would be very interesting to me to do a statistical study with enough
>> numbers comparing a repair install of Vista and the Win RE tools like but
>> not excluded to Start up repair.
>>
>> You can sometimes fix Vista using one of the F8 options also, and
>> anecdotally but with no statistical comparison a system restorer from the
>> DVD recovery option (Win RE) seems to be more reliable than a system
>> restore from F7 on Vista.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>> "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23xWyXXnZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> John Barnett MVP wrote:
>>>> Malke it is possible to do an 'upgrade' over the original installation
>>>> of Vista. I have tried it and it did work. A bit of a pain in the
>>>> backside when, after the upgrade had completed, and Vista nicely told
>>>> me that I was running an illegal copy (that's a laugh). But it was easy
>>>> enough to sort out. I haven't had time to update my website with the
>>>> instructions for an upgrade over the original, but i'm hoping to get it
>>>> done soon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you so much, John. Since I haven't had to do a repair of my own
>>> Vista install and since not that many of my clients have gone to Vista
>>> (only people buying new laptops), I don't have any hands-on experience
>>> with Vista repair installs yet.
>>>
>>> It will be a learning experience for all of us! ;-)
>>>
>>> Thanks again and I'll keep an eye on your excellent site.

On Apr 14, 9:22 pm, "Rock" <R...@nospam.net> wrote:
> FYI, several people have now confirmed that doing an upgrade on top of aVistainstallthat is malfunctioning has worked. I believe JimR was one of
> those. In addition I passed the question to Darrell Gorter who said this is
> workable option.
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>
> "Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > That should have read arepairinstall"from F8" onVista."
>
> > CH
>
> > "Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote in message
> >news:OWnkDrnZHHA.3272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>I believe, but have not done a statistical comparison, that therepair
> >>installin XP is far more reliable and pretty much guaranteed to fix a
> >>broken XP than any of the Win RE tools.
>
> >> It would be very interesting to me to do a statistical study with enough
> >> numbers comparing arepairinstallofVistaand the Win RE tools like but
> >> not excluded to Start uprepair.
>
> >> You can sometimes fixVistausing one of the F8 options also, and
> >> anecdotally but with no statistical comparison a system restorer from the
> >> DVD recovery option (Win RE) seems to be more reliable than a system
> >> restore from F7 onVista.
>
> >> CH
>
> >> "Malke" <notrea...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:%23xWyXXnZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>> John Barnett MVP wrote:
> >>>> Malke it is possible to do an 'upgrade' over the original installation
> >>>> ofVista. I have tried it and it did work. A bit of a pain in the
> >>>> backside when, after the upgrade had completed, andVistanicely told
> >>>> me that I was running an illegal copy (that's a laugh). But it was easy
> >>>> enough to sort out. I haven't had time to update my website with the
> >>>> instructions for an upgrade over the original, but i'm hoping to get it
> >>>> done soon.
>
> >>> Thank you so much, John. Since I haven't had to do arepairof my own
> >>>Vistainstalland since not that many of my clients have gone toVista
> >>> (only people buying new laptops), I don't have any hands-on experience
> >>> withVistarepairinstalls yet.
>
> >>> It will be a learning experience for all of us! ;-)
>
> >>> Thanks again and I'll keep an eye on your excellent site.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How can one do an in-place upgrade from outside of Windows?

An upgrade relies upon you already having an operating system in place. You
then upgrade from 'within' that operating system. The only option you have
from outside the windows environment is a full install and you can only do
that with Vista Business, Ultimate. Unless I've missed something I haven't
come across a way of installing Vista Home or Home Premium etc outside the
windows environment.

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Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

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Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

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"pat o." <pmolaughlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181398016.294473.208310@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 14, 9:22 pm, "Rock" <R...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> FYI, several people have now confirmed that doing an upgrade on top of
>> aVistainstallthat is malfunctioning has worked. I believe JimR was one
>> of
>> those. In addition I passed the question to Darrell Gorter who said this
>> is
>> workable option.
>>
>> --
>> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > That should have read arepairinstall"from F8" onVista."
>>
>> > CH
>>
>> > "Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote in message
>> >news:OWnkDrnZHHA.3272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >>I believe, but have not done a statistical comparison, that therepair
>> >>installin XP is far more reliable and pretty much guaranteed to fix a
>> >>broken XP than any of the Win RE tools.
>>
>> >> It would be very interesting to me to do a statistical study with
>> >> enough
>> >> numbers comparing arepairinstallofVistaand the Win RE tools like but
>> >> not excluded to Start uprepair.
>>
>> >> You can sometimes fixVistausing one of the F8 options also, and
>> >> anecdotally but with no statistical comparison a system restorer from
>> >> the
>> >> DVD recovery option (Win RE) seems to be more reliable than a system
>> >> restore from F7 onVista.
>>
>> >> CH
>>
>> >> "Malke" <notrea...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>news:%23xWyXXnZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >>> John Barnett MVP wrote:
>> >>>> Malke it is possible to do an 'upgrade' over the original
>> >>>> installation
>> >>>> ofVista. I have tried it and it did work. A bit of a pain in the
>> >>>> backside when, after the upgrade had completed, andVistanicely told
>> >>>> me that I was running an illegal copy (that's a laugh). But it was
>> >>>> easy
>> >>>> enough to sort out. I haven't had time to update my website with the
>> >>>> instructions for an upgrade over the original, but i'm hoping to get
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> done soon.
>>
>> >>> Thank you so much, John. Since I haven't had to do arepairof my own
>> >>>Vistainstalland since not that many of my clients have gone toVista
>> >>> (only people buying new laptops), I don't have any hands-on
>> >>> experience
>> >>> withVistarepairinstalls yet.
>>
>> >>> It will be a learning experience for all of us! ;-)
>>
>> >>> Thanks again and I'll keep an eye on your excellent site.- Hide
>> >>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> How can one do an in-place upgrade from outside of Windows?
>

"pat o." wrote
> How can one do an in-place upgrade from outside of Windows?

You can't.


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"revoddball" <revoddball.3qq2nd@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi revoddball--

This thread is confusing because the only message I see here is yours though
I've tried to download all messages, and I see a reply to Malke from John
Barnett, but I don't see the message from Malke he's replying to nor do I
find it by searching Win Live Mail.

However, I see what you wrote and I'll try to give you every possible way
you can repair your Vista. Let me know if you have any questions.

Summarizing your problem with the only message I see you say you can't boot
the box. You talk about Safe Mode, but I can't tell what you did at the F8
Windows Advanced Options Menu where you can and should try at least 3 Safe
Mode Options listed below as well as Last Known Good Configuration. You
throw in the information about your Mobo and moving from one Mobo (or
Mainboard as you call it) to another, and that raises a worry for me that
your problem could be with chipsets, etc. and hardware. I still want to give
you an organized description of the full panoply of software fixes for Vista
in case it will help.

In other words, I can't be sure if your problem is hardware because you've
mentioned switching from one Mobo to the next or software. If it's
software, my 5 approaches to the tools to fix have a high likelihood to get
it done. I'm familiar with John Barnett's helpful site that's graphically
user friendly for fixing a number of Windows Vista and related problems as
well.

) First try 3 options from Startup Repair. If you have a Vista DVD then
restart with it in the drive>press any key to boot from it and run Startup
Repair. From Startup Repair you have 3 good tools with an excellent chance
of fixing your system. If you don't have a Vista DVD from which to boot to
Startup Repair, no problem, Download the .iso from the link below and
burn it, and you'll have the Microsoft Vista Repair Disk with Startup
Repair.

Download Vista Repair Disk
http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/window...disc-download/

How to Use Startup Repair from the Vista DVD or the Repair Disk you make:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...torial142.html

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...f3f351033.mspx

2) If Startup Repair does not get your Vista back, then use the 3 bootrec
commands from the command prompt available on the Statup Repair Menu:

The menu I refer to is in this set of directions with a grey background.

http://vistahomepremium.windowsreins...airstartup.htm

Those are:

bootrec /fixmbr
bootrec /fixboot
bootrec /rebuild BCD

3) If my second option doesn't work, then try System restore from the
Startup Repair list.

4) If by rare chance you have an actual Vista DVD, you can put it in, boot
from it>choose the Upgrade Option>choose your current broken Vista Drive and
try to do a repair install with the Vista DVD.

5) If the above 3 tools don't work, then use the 4 tools available by
restarting your pc and tapping F8 once per second to get to the Windows
Advanced Options Menu.

From this menu click on 3 Safe Mode links to use System Restore. Make sure
you try all 3 if one doesn't work, because just one of them may work.
Tap F8 to Reach Windows Advanced Options Menu Pictured Below:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/v...ot-Options.jpg

Safe Mode
Safe Mode with Networking
Safe Mode with Command: At the prompt you would type the command to use for
system restore at the safe mode cmd prompt is:

%systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe

If these 3 tools don't work, you have one more you can try which is Last
Known Good Configuration.

John Barnett references an upgrade repair or inplace Install of Vista in a
message to Malke. I can't see the message John is replying to. John says it
took 4 hours but worked. I've done several upgrade installs using Vista SP1,
Vista SP2, and very late builds of Windows 7 and they all work. Mine took
about an hour and a half and I have a lot of files and folders accumulated
from several years, but the variables there are your CPU speed, your RAM,
and the granular nature of the files and settings and folder numbers and
size on the particular box you're upgrading so your milage is going to vary
there.

All I can say is that if you have the Vista DVD, or in Win 7 the Win 7
DVD, it remains a viable option. Most people don't have the DVD, (you say
you do) but we can give theman option to burn a startup repair disc. A
utility for doing just that was buried in System 32 in Vista in SP1 and I
believe Vista SP2, although I formatted those two guys from my boxes long
ago. However in Windows 7 it is where it should be on the All Programs Menu
as I've shown by the screenshot at the link below.

Good luck and let us know if you have questions and particularly with the
mention of chipsets and mobo moving, is your problem a hdw problem or a
software problem?

CH