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Old 01-29-2008   #1 (permalink)
coldwinter


 
 

Message Rule Priority

Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam filtering
takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an incoming
message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the junk
mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop further
proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the rules
are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the junk
folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low and
would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-29-2008   #2 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Message Rule Priority

Sorry, can't be done. Spam filtering always occurs first unless you
turn it off altogether.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9507BCDE-DAFC-43C7-8AE9-4C16EC32FE37@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam filtering
> takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an incoming
> message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the junk
> mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop further
> proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the rules
> are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the junk
> folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low and
> would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-29-2008   #3 (permalink)
coldwinter


 
 

Re: Message Rule Priority

Thanks for getting back to me. Can you think of any reason why the following
"simple" email would be filtered as spam?

A New InfoGoRound.com Member has signed up!

Name: noel baxxxx
E-Mail: les191xxxx@xxxxxx

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
Quote:

> Sorry, can't be done. Spam filtering always occurs first unless you
> turn it off altogether.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
>
>
> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9507BCDE-DAFC-43C7-8AE9-4C16EC32FE37@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam filtering
> > takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an incoming
> > message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the junk
> > mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop further
> > proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the rules
> > are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the junk
> > folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low and
> > would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-29-2008   #4 (permalink)


 
 

Re: Message Rule Priority

Mailing lists are often treated that way, especially when they reach someone
whose address appears only on the Bcc: line and no address appears on the
To: line.

You can sometimes get around this by clicking Tools, then Junk E-mail
Options,
then Safe Senders, then adding the sender's address to the list, or even
just
the part of the address after @ if you want mail from anyone who shares the
part of the address after @.

"coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:204B8E3A-787C-48EA-817D-51E4686943F0@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Thanks for getting back to me. Can you think of any reason why the
> following
> "simple" email would be filtered as spam?
>
> A New InfoGoRound.com Member has signed up!
>
> Name: noel baxxxx
> E-Mail: les191xxxx@xxxxxx
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> Sorry, can't be done. Spam filtering always occurs first unless you
>> turn it off altogether.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
>>
>>
>> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:9507BCDE-DAFC-43C7-8AE9-4C16EC32FE37@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam
>> > filtering
>> > takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an
>> > incoming
>> > message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the
>> > junk
>> > mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop
>> > further
>> > proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the
>> > rules
>> > are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the
>> > junk
>> > folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low
>> > and
>> > would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-29-2008   #5 (permalink)
coldwinter


 
 

Re: Message Rule Priority

Well, thanks for the info guys. However, in my "simple" email example there
is a Subject and a To: email address (mine), so I'm still at a loss as to why
this email would be sorted to my Junk folder. I have checked, re-checked and
un-checked any rules that would sort to this to Junk. But alas, it still goes
to Junk. Thoughts anyone??


"robertmiles@xxxxxx" wrote:
Quote:

> Mailing lists are often treated that way, especially when they reach someone
> whose address appears only on the Bcc: line and no address appears on the
> To: line.
>
> You can sometimes get around this by clicking Tools, then Junk E-mail
> Options,
> then Safe Senders, then adding the sender's address to the list, or even
> just
> the part of the address after @ if you want mail from anyone who shares the
> part of the address after @.
>
> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:204B8E3A-787C-48EA-817D-51E4686943F0@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > Thanks for getting back to me. Can you think of any reason why the
> > following
> > "simple" email would be filtered as spam?
> >
> > A New InfoGoRound.com Member has signed up!
> >
> > Name: noel baxxxx
> > E-Mail: les191xxxx@xxxxxx
> >
> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
> >
Quote:

> >> Sorry, can't be done. Spam filtering always occurs first unless you
> >> turn it off altogether.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
> >>
> >>
> >> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:9507BCDE-DAFC-43C7-8AE9-4C16EC32FE37@xxxxxx
> >> > Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam
> >> > filtering
> >> > takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an
> >> > incoming
> >> > message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the
> >> > junk
> >> > mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop
> >> > further
> >> > proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the
> >> > rules
> >> > are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the
> >> > junk
> >> > folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low
> >> > and
> >> > would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-29-2008   #6 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Message Rule Priority

There is no way to know because Microsoft does not publish
the algorithms it uses for determining whether a given message
is spam or not.

If those messages have a limited number of senders, you can
add them to the Safe Senders list, which is processed before
the spam determination.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:204B8E3A-787C-48EA-817D-51E4686943F0@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Thanks for getting back to me. Can you think of any reason why the following
> "simple" email would be filtered as spam?
>
> A New InfoGoRound.com Member has signed up!
>
> Name: noel baxxxx
> E-Mail: les191xxxx@xxxxxx
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> Sorry, can't be done. Spam filtering always occurs first unless you
>> turn it off altogether.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
>>
>>
>> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9507BCDE-DAFC-43C7-8AE9-4C16EC32FE37@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam filtering
>> > takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an incoming
>> > message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the junk
>> > mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop further
>> > proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the rules
>> > are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the junk
>> > folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low and
>> > would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-29-2008   #7 (permalink)
coldwinter


 
 

Re: Message Rule Priority

Thanks Gary....the problem is I receive these simple emails everyday from all
over the world, when new members join my membership website. So, there is a
wide variety of emails addresses. And all of them sort to junk. All the other
message rules I have setup (and there are about 20 of them) are working
perfectly. It's just this particular one that has caused a problem. That's
why I'm trying to figure out if there is anything unique about this email
that is causing the problem, but it has me stumped. Hummm...

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
Quote:

> There is no way to know because Microsoft does not publish
> the algorithms it uses for determining whether a given message
> is spam or not.
>
> If those messages have a limited number of senders, you can
> add them to the Safe Senders list, which is processed before
> the spam determination.
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
>
>
> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:204B8E3A-787C-48EA-817D-51E4686943F0@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > Thanks for getting back to me. Can you think of any reason why the following
> > "simple" email would be filtered as spam?
> >
> > A New InfoGoRound.com Member has signed up!
> >
> > Name: noel baxxxx
> > E-Mail: les191xxxx@xxxxxx
> >
> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
> >
Quote:

> >> Sorry, can't be done. Spam filtering always occurs first unless you
> >> turn it off altogether.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
> >>
> >>
> >> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9507BCDE-DAFC-43C7-8AE9-4C16EC32FE37@xxxxxx
> >> > Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam filtering
> >> > takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an incoming
> >> > message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the junk
> >> > mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop further
> >> > proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the rules
> >> > are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the junk
> >> > folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low and
> >> > would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-29-2008   #8 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Message Rule Priority

The only suggestion I have is for you to turn off the spam filter
in Windows Mail, and investigate some alternative methods.
If your mail provider offers server-level spam filtering, that would
be option, or switching to a mail provider who has that option.
Also, look into third party anti-spam products. I've heard good
comments about K9:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Interne...Tools/K9.shtml

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:A9159804-DC55-413B-AAFC-47D63AC7E647@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Thanks Gary....the problem is I receive these simple emails everyday from all
> over the world, when new members join my membership website. So, there is a
> wide variety of emails addresses. And all of them sort to junk. All the other
> message rules I have setup (and there are about 20 of them) are working
> perfectly. It's just this particular one that has caused a problem. That's
> why I'm trying to figure out if there is anything unique about this email
> that is causing the problem, but it has me stumped. Hummm...
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> There is no way to know because Microsoft does not publish
>> the algorithms it uses for determining whether a given message
>> is spam or not.
>>
>> If those messages have a limited number of senders, you can
>> add them to the Safe Senders list, which is processed before
>> the spam determination.
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
>>
>>
>> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:204B8E3A-787C-48EA-817D-51E4686943F0@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > Thanks for getting back to me. Can you think of any reason why the following
>> > "simple" email would be filtered as spam?
>> >
>> > A New InfoGoRound.com Member has signed up!
>> >
>> > Name: noel baxxxx
>> > E-Mail: les191xxxx@xxxxxx
>> >
>> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sorry, can't be done. Spam filtering always occurs first unless you
>> >> turn it off altogether.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "coldwinter" <coldwinter@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:9507BCDE-DAFC-43C7-8AE9-4C16EC32FE37@xxxxxx
>> >> > Is there a way to have my message rules processed before the spam filtering
>> >> > takes place? I have established a rule that is supposed to sort an incoming
>> >> > message into the appropriate folder, but it is getting sorted to the junk
>> >> > mail folder instead. It is at the top of the rule list, has the "stop further
>> >> > proceessing of rules" at the end, etc. I am very familiar with how the rules
>> >> > are setup, and suspect the spam filtering is moving the mail to the junk
>> >> > folder before my rules is processed. I have the spam filter set to low and
>> >> > would like to keep it there. Any suggestions much appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

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