Re: vista ultimate 64-bit default programs and IE7 default email p

10-09-2008

[Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.]

What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave.
--
~PA Bear

Dave S. wrote:

Quote:

> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took
> over
> as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the default
> email client in the client itself or via the control panel did not get
> reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default client was
> until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage the default
> client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 displayed email links
> (the so-called "Mail To" protocol).
>
> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the
> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a
> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting
> the
> system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary.
>
> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of opening
> the
> Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed there if
> the
> control panel or the new default client has already set the default. It
> tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache somewhere that is
> not being refreshed...
>
> I hope this is clearer...
>
> "Don Varnau" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Hi,
>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time
>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the junk
>> mail filter.
>>
>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you will
>> have to reset the e-mail default occasionally.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Don
>> [MS MVP- IE]
>>
>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx

	Quote:
	>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) >>> Mail >>> in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general >>> >>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: >>> >>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs >>> >>> and: >>> >>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs >>> >>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. >>> >>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email >>> program >>> in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently installing >>> a >>> trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the default email >>> program. >>> I reset Windows Mail as the default email program in the Control Panel >>> (which reset the Mail To protocol default), but on selecting email links >>> in IE7 I still got Microsoft Outlook (???). I opened Programs in >>> Internet >>> Options in IE7 (making no changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the >>> default email program when IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. >>> I then closed the Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now >>> the email links displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail >>> (???). >>> >>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail To >>> protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting Control >>> Panel >>> Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options Programs. >>> >>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in the >>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for >>> managing >>> settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). >>> >>> jmtcw: >>> >>> >>> ------------ >>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...

10-09-2008

It's not an IE7 issue.
There seems to be a common misunderstanding that setting the
default email client will also assign all the protocols (such as MailTo)
to that client. Regrettably that is *not* the case. Often an extra step
is needed:
Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from
the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item:
"Set your default programs."
After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eeunnXiKJHA.1156@xxxxxx

Quote:

> [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.]
>
> What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> Dave S. wrote:

Quote:

>> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took over
>> as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the default
>> email client in the client itself or via the control panel did not get
>> reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default client was
>> until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage the default
>> client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 displayed email links
>> (the so-called "Mail To" protocol).
>>
>> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the
>> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a
>> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting the
>> system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary.
>>
>> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of opening the
>> Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed there if the
>> control panel or the new default client has already set the default. It
>> tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache somewhere that is
>> not being refreshed...
>>
>> I hope this is clearer...
>>
>> "Don Varnau" wrote:
>>

	Quote:
	>>> Hi, >>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time >>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the junk >>> mail filter. >>> >>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you will >>> have to reset the e-mail default occasionally. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> Don >>> [MS MVP- IE] >>> >>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx >>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) Mail >>>> in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general >>>> >>>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: >>>> >>>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs >>>> >>>> and: >>>> >>>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs >>>> >>>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. >>>> >>>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email program >>>> in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently installing a >>>> trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the default email program. >>>> I reset Windows Mail as the default email program in the Control Panel >>>> (which reset the Mail To protocol default), but on selecting email links >>>> in IE7 I still got Microsoft Outlook (???). I opened Programs in Internet >>>> Options in IE7 (making no changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the >>>> default email program when IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. >>>> I then closed the Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now >>>> the email links displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail >>>> (???). >>>> >>>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail To >>>> protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting Control Panel >>>> Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options Programs. >>>> >>>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in the >>>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for managing >>>> settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). >>>> >>>> jmtcw: >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...

>

10-10-2008

Hi!

That is where it was set, in Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs >
Set Default Programs. But when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not get
Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook, the _previous_ default program (from
installing Office). I had to open Tools > Internet Options > Programs > Set
programs, to get IE7 mail links to use Windows Mail.

In looking back over my posting, I believe I've made the _exact_
circumstances quite plain. Could it be that readers are keying off certain,
out of context, terms/words/phrases and reacting to them instead of the
overall scenario... ?

At any rate, it did happen, and exactly as explained. It would also seem
that there are enough indications from other posts that something is amiss...

jmtcw:

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Quote:

> It's not an IE7 issue.
> There seems to be a common misunderstanding that setting the
> default email client will also assign all the protocols (such as MailTo)
> to that client. Regrettably that is *not* the case. Often an extra step
> is needed:
> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from
> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item:
> "Set your default programs."
> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eeunnXiKJHA.1156@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.]
> >
> > What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave.
> > --
> > ~PA Bear
> >
> > Dave S. wrote:

	Quote:
	> >> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took over > >> as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the default > >> email client in the client itself or via the control panel did not get > >> reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default client was > >> until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage the default > >> client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 displayed email links > >> (the so-called "Mail To" protocol). > >> > >> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the > >> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a > >> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting the > >> system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary. > >> > >> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of opening the > >> Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed there if the > >> control panel or the new default client has already set the default. It > >> tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache somewhere that is > >> not being refreshed... > >> > >> I hope this is clearer... > >> > >> "Don Varnau" wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time > >>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the junk > >>> mail filter. > >>> > >>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you will > >>> have to reset the e-mail default occasionally. > >>> > >>> Hope this helps, > >>> Don > >>> [MS MVP- IE] > >>> > >>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx > >>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) Mail > >>>> in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general > >>>> > >>>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: > >>>> > >>>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs > >>>> > >>>> and: > >>>> > >>>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs > >>>> > >>>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. > >>>> > >>>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email program > >>>> in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently installing a > >>>> trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the default email program. > >>>> I reset Windows Mail as the default email program in the Control Panel > >>>> (which reset the Mail To protocol default), but on selecting email links > >>>> in IE7 I still got Microsoft Outlook (???). I opened Programs in Internet > >>>> Options in IE7 (making no changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the > >>>> default email program when IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. > >>>> I then closed the Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now > >>>> the email links displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail > >>>> (???). > >>>> > >>>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail To > >>>> protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting Control Panel > >>>> Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options Programs. > >>>> > >>>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in the > >>>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for managing > >>>> settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). > >>>> > >>>> jmtcw: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------ > >>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...

> >

>
>
>

10-10-2008

Hi!

How would UAC be involved?

Just as a matter of information, I'm the only user on my system, with no
network and a cable internet connection. I have all remote access to my
system blocked. It's basically a standalone system with a connection to the
internet. As such, UAC is an unneeded feature since there is just me (and I
tend to trust myself, much of the time!

. UAC is only an annoyance, with its
popups at every turn. Also, it slows down many processes with checking each
and every move they make. So, I have UAC turned off (although it still gets
the last word in annoyance: it causes the security center red shield to
always be present in the notification area!:-{ ) It would be nice if there
were a "standalone system" option that turned off UAC without any side
effects!

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

Quote:

> [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.]
>
> What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> Dave S. wrote:

Quote:

> > I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took
> > over
> > as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the default
> > email client in the client itself or via the control panel did not get
> > reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default client was
> > until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage the default
> > client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 displayed email links
> > (the so-called "Mail To" protocol).
> >
> > Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the
> > default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a
> > communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting
> > the
> > system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary.
> >
> > To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of opening
> > the
> > Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed there if
> > the
> > control panel or the new default client has already set the default. It
> > tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache somewhere that is
> > not being refreshed...
> >
> > I hope this is clearer...
> >
> > "Don Varnau" wrote:
> >

	Quote:
	> >> Hi, > >> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time > >> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the junk > >> mail filter. > >> > >> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you will > >> have to reset the e-mail default occasionally. > >> > >> Hope this helps, > >> Don > >> [MS MVP- IE] > >> > >> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx > >>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) > >>> Mail > >>> in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general > >>> > >>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: > >>> > >>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs > >>> > >>> and: > >>> > >>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs > >>> > >>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. > >>> > >>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email > >>> program > >>> in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently installing > >>> a > >>> trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the default email > >>> program. > >>> I reset Windows Mail as the default email program in the Control Panel > >>> (which reset the Mail To protocol default), but on selecting email links > >>> in IE7 I still got Microsoft Outlook (???). I opened Programs in > >>> Internet > >>> Options in IE7 (making no changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the > >>> default email program when IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. > >>> I then closed the Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now > >>> the email links displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail > >>> (???). > >>> > >>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail To > >>> protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting Control > >>> Panel > >>> Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options Programs. > >>> > >>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in the > >>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for > >>> managing > >>> settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). > >>> > >>> jmtcw: > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------ > >>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...

>
>

10-10-2008

Are you running Vista or Vista SP1, Dave?

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall
(if any)?

Quote:

	Quote:
	>> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from >> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item: >> "Set your default programs." >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows >> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults" >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.

Have you done all of the above (from Gary's reply) yet? If you have but the
changes don't "stick", one or more options/settings in an ever-growing
number of third-party applications may be disallowing the changes. These
include but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone Alarm
(Free, Pro, & Security Suite).

	Quote:
	> ...when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not get > Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook

Is Outlook still installed? Have you recently installed one or more Outlook
Updates?

Microsoft Outlook updates change the default mail handler to Microsoft
Outlook (ignore the reference to Outlook Express)
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#13
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dave S. wrote:

Quote:

> That is where it was set, in Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs

	Quote:
	> >

> Set Default Programs. But when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not
> get
> Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook, the _previous_ default program (from
> installing Office). I had to open Tools > Internet Options > Programs >
> Set
> programs, to get IE7 mail links to use Windows Mail.
>
> In looking back over my posting, I believe I've made the _exact_
> circumstances quite plain. Could it be that readers are keying off
> certain,
> out of context, terms/words/phrases and reacting to them instead of the
> overall scenario... ?
>
> At any rate, it did happen, and exactly as explained. It would also seem
> that there are enough indications from other posts that something is
> amiss...
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Quote:

>> It's not an IE7 issue.
>> There seems to be a common misunderstanding that setting the
>> default email client will also assign all the protocols (such as MailTo)
>> to that client. Regrettably that is *not* the case. Often an extra step
>> is needed:
>> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from
>> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item:
>> "Set your default programs."
>> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
>> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
>> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

	Quote:
	>>> [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.] >>> >>> What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave. >>> >>> Dave S. wrote: >>>> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took >>>> over as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the >>>> default email client in the client itself or via the control panel did >>>> not get reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default >>>> client was until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage >>>> the default client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 >>>> displayed >>>> email links (the so-called "Mail To" protocol). >>>> >>>> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the >>>> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a >>>> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting >>>> the system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary. >>>> >>>> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of >>>> opening >>>> the Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed >>>> there if the control panel or the new default client has already set >>>> the >>>> default. It tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache >>>> somewhere that is not being refreshed... >>>> >>>> I hope this is clearer... >>>> >>>> "Don Varnau" wrote: >>>>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time >>>>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the >>>>> junk mail filter. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you >>>>> will have to reset the e-mail default occasionally. >>>>> >>>>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx >>>>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) >>>>>> Mail in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general >>>>>> >>>>>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: >>>>>> >>>>>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs >>>>>> >>>>>> and: >>>>>> >>>>>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs >>>>>> >>>>>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email >>>>>> program in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently >>>>>> installing a trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the >>>>>> default email program. I reset Windows Mail as the default email >>>>>> program in the Control Panel (which reset the Mail To protocol >>>>>> default), but on selecting email links in IE7 I still got Microsoft >>>>>> Outlook (???). I opened Programs in Internet Options in IE7 (making >>>>>> no >>>>>> changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the default email program >>>>>> when >>>>>> IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. I then closed the >>>>>> Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now the email >>>>>> links >>>>>> displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail (???). >>>>>> >>>>>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail >>>>>> To protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting >>>>>> Control Panel Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options >>>>>> Programs. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in >>>>>> the >>>>>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for >>>>>> managing settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). >>>>>> >>>>>> jmtcw: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...

10-10-2008

There is one other variation of the Default Programs options that
often does the trick. The following procedure will rewrite the default
protocol assignments in the registry:
Open the Default Programs applet, then click on "Set program
access and computer defaults." Expand the Custom selection, and
select Windows Mail. Click OK.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:7AA37765-BD1A-4E18-9919-5DF648DF38B5@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi!
>
> That is where it was set, in Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs >
> Set Default Programs. But when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not get
> Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook, the _previous_ default program (from
> installing Office). I had to open Tools > Internet Options > Programs > Set
> programs, to get IE7 mail links to use Windows Mail.
>
> In looking back over my posting, I believe I've made the _exact_
> circumstances quite plain. Could it be that readers are keying off certain,
> out of context, terms/words/phrases and reacting to them instead of the
> overall scenario... ?
>
> At any rate, it did happen, and exactly as explained. It would also seem
> that there are enough indications from other posts that something is amiss...
>
> jmtcw:
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> It's not an IE7 issue.
>> There seems to be a common misunderstanding that setting the
>> default email client will also assign all the protocols (such as MailTo)
>> to that client. Regrettably that is *not* the case. Often an extra step
>> is needed:
>> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from
>> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item:
>> "Set your default programs."
>> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
>> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
>> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eeunnXiKJHA.1156@xxxxxx

	Quote:
	>> > [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.] >> > >> > What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave. >> > -- >> > ~PA Bear >> > >> > Dave S. wrote: >> >> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took over >> >> as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the default >> >> email client in the client itself or via the control panel did not get >> >> reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default client was >> >> until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage the default >> >> client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 displayed email links >> >> (the so-called "Mail To" protocol). >> >> >> >> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the >> >> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a >> >> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting the >> >> system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary. >> >> >> >> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of opening the >> >> Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed there if the >> >> control panel or the new default client has already set the default. It >> >> tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache somewhere that is >> >> not being refreshed... >> >> >> >> I hope this is clearer... >> >> >> >> "Don Varnau" wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time >> >>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the junk >> >>> mail filter. >> >>> >> >>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you will >> >>> have to reset the e-mail default occasionally. >> >>> >> >>> Hope this helps, >> >>> Don >> >>> [MS MVP- IE] >> >>> >> >>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> >>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx >> >>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) Mail >> >>>> in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general >> >>>> >> >>>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: >> >>>> >> >>>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs >> >>>> >> >>>> and: >> >>>> >> >>>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs >> >>>> >> >>>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. >> >>>> >> >>>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email program >> >>>> in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently installing a >> >>>> trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the default email program. >> >>>> I reset Windows Mail as the default email program in the Control Panel >> >>>> (which reset the Mail To protocol default), but on selecting email links >> >>>> in IE7 I still got Microsoft Outlook (???). I opened Programs in Internet >> >>>> Options in IE7 (making no changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the >> >>>> default email program when IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. >> >>>> I then closed the Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now >> >>>> the email links displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail >> >>>> (???). >> >>>> >> >>>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail To >> >>>> protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting Control Panel >> >>>> Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options Programs. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in the >> >>>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for managing >> >>>> settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). >> >>>> >> >>>> jmtcw: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------ >> >>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft... >> >

>>
>>
>>

10-10-2008

Hi!

The issue is not that I don't know what to do or how to proceed or that I am
currently having a problem. As a matter of fact, for me, there is no issue. I
long ago became aware of 2 facts: 1) Microsoft Windows will have problems. 2)
Unless they are showstoppers, the chances of an individual problem being
corrected are slim and none.

I was merely adding my observations and the way I had handled the problem to
the stack in hopes that others who were having the same/similar problems
would be helped...

Rather than duplicate this message in a half dozen places, I put it here and
referenced it in a half dozen places...

Not meaning to sound peevish (you all have been trying to help and I do
appreciate that!:-), but I've spent about all the bandwidth I have to spare
on this one...

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

Quote:

> Are you running Vista or Vista SP1, Dave?
>
> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall
> (if any)?
>

Quote:

	Quote:
	> >> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from > >> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item: > >> "Set your default programs." > >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows > >> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults" > >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.

>
> Have you done all of the above (from Gary's reply) yet? If you have but the
> changes don't "stick", one or more options/settings in an ever-growing
> number of third-party applications may be disallowing the changes. These
> include but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
> SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
> Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone Alarm
> (Free, Pro, & Security Suite).
>

	Quote:
	> > ...when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not get > > Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook

>
> Is Outlook still installed? Have you recently installed one or more Outlook
> Updates?
>
> Microsoft Outlook updates change the default mail handler to Microsoft
> Outlook (ignore the reference to Outlook Express)
> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#13
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
> Dave S. wrote:

Quote:

> > That is where it was set, in Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs

	Quote:
	> > >

> > Set Default Programs. But when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not
> > get
> > Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook, the _previous_ default program (from
> > installing Office). I had to open Tools > Internet Options > Programs >
> > Set
> > programs, to get IE7 mail links to use Windows Mail.
> >
> > In looking back over my posting, I believe I've made the _exact_
> > circumstances quite plain. Could it be that readers are keying off
> > certain,
> > out of context, terms/words/phrases and reacting to them instead of the
> > overall scenario... ?
> >
> > At any rate, it did happen, and exactly as explained. It would also seem
> > that there are enough indications from other posts that something is
> > amiss...
> >
> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

	Quote:
	> >> It's not an IE7 issue. > >> There seems to be a common misunderstanding that setting the > >> default email client will also assign all the protocols (such as MailTo) > >> to that client. Regrettably that is not the case. Often an extra step > >> is needed: > >> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from > >> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item: > >> "Set your default programs." > >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows > >> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults" > >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow. > >> > >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > >>> [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.] > >>> > >>> What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave. > >>> > >>> Dave S. wrote: > >>>> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took > >>>> over as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the > >>>> default email client in the client itself or via the control panel did > >>>> not get reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default > >>>> client was until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage > >>>> the default client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 > >>>> displayed > >>>> email links (the so-called "Mail To" protocol). > >>>> > >>>> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the > >>>> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a > >>>> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting > >>>> the system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary. > >>>> > >>>> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of > >>>> opening > >>>> the Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed > >>>> there if the control panel or the new default client has already set > >>>> the > >>>> default. It tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache > >>>> somewhere that is not being refreshed... > >>>> > >>>> I hope this is clearer... > >>>> > >>>> "Don Varnau" wrote: > >>>>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time > >>>>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the > >>>>> junk mail filter. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you > >>>>> will have to reset the e-mail default occasionally. > >>>>> > >>>>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >>>>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx > >>>>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) > >>>>>> Mail in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs > >>>>>> > >>>>>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email > >>>>>> program in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently > >>>>>> installing a trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the > >>>>>> default email program. I reset Windows Mail as the default email > >>>>>> program in the Control Panel (which reset the Mail To protocol > >>>>>> default), but on selecting email links in IE7 I still got Microsoft > >>>>>> Outlook (???). I opened Programs in Internet Options in IE7 (making > >>>>>> no > >>>>>> changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the default email program > >>>>>> when > >>>>>> IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. I then closed the > >>>>>> Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now the email > >>>>>> links > >>>>>> displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail (???). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail > >>>>>> To protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting > >>>>>> Control Panel Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options > >>>>>> Programs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for > >>>>>> managing settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> jmtcw: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------ > >>>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...

>
>

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