Vista - Windows Live Mail missing key components

10-12-2008

Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying
my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also has the same
problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program,
during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal mess that no one seems to
be able to grasp on to.

When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the
program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the attachment. It seems
this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security
mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I
try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as "Pictures".
I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I
used extensively with Windows Mail, that are not available in this new WLM,
but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't
there at all.

Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since
I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete all the garbage
that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source.

Terry Durfee
Frustrated Texan

10-12-2008

If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows
Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds.
If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall
it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before.

Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and
Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program:
http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird
The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS
email programs.

If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your
antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must
follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall
leaves a lot of problematic debris behind.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this
> also has the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program, during the upgrade, or I have a
> serious internal mess that no one seems to be able to grasp on to.
>
> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open
> the attachment. It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security mail scan option turned
> on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as "Pictures".
> I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, that are not
> available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all.
>
> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward,
> and delete all the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source.
>
> Terry Durfee
> Frustrated Texan

10-12-2008

The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing
the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much
debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that
contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous
forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly
and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails
to family and friends.

Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer,
running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending
them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying.

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx

Quote:

> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows
> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds.
> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall
> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before.
>
> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and
> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program:
> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird
> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS
> email programs.
>
> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your
> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must
> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall
> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail,
>> trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also has the
>> same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail
>> program, during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal mess that no
>> one seems to be able to grasp on to.
>>
>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes
>> the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the attachment. It
>> seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet
>> Security mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it does the same
>> thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such
>> as "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are
>> not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, that are not
>> available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing
>> the addresses, or weren't there at all.
>>
>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially
>> since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete all
>> the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source.
>>
>> Terry Durfee
>> Frustrated Texan

>
>

10-12-2008

Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the
HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the
contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the
edited contents.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx

Quote:

> The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing
> the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much
> debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that
> contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous
> forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly
> and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails
> to family and friends.
>
> Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer,
> running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending
> them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying.
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows
>> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds.
>> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall
>> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before.
>>
>> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and
>> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program:
>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird
>> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS
>> email programs.
>>
>> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your
>> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must
>> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall
>> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas,
>>> this also has the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program, during the upgrade, or I
>>> have a serious internal mess that no one seems to be able to grasp on to.
>>>
>>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open
>>> the attachment. It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security mail scan option turned
>>> on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as
>>> "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail,
>>> that are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all.
>>>
>>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward,
>>> and delete all the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source.
>>>
>>> Terry Durfee
>>> Frustrated Texan

>>
>>

10-12-2008

That does not work, because notepad only picks up the copied plain text.
The HTML or Rich Text is all missing, so that defeats the purpose. That
could be done by just changing the format to Plain Text in the first place
instead of copy/paste to Notepad. Since upgrading to WLM didn't fix the
initial problem, I shall probably go back to Windows Mail after all.

Thank you Gary, for trying to help a lady in distress.

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O$9wsWMLJHA.5972@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the
> HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the
> contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the
> edited contents.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing
>> the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much
>> debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that
>> contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous
>> forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly
>> and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails
>> to family and friends.
>>
>> Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer,
>> running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending
>> them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying.
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows
>>> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds.
>>> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall
>>> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before.
>>>
>>> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and
>>> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program:
>>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird
>>> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS
>>> email programs.
>>>
>>> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your
>>> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must
>>> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall
>>> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx
>>>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail,
>>>> trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also has
>>>> the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows
>>>> Mail program, during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal mess
>>>> that no one seems to be able to grasp on to.
>>>>
>>>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes
>>>> the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the attachment.
>>>> It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton
>>>> Internet Security mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it does
>>>> the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or
>>>> file, such as "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as
>>>> there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, that
>>>> are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were
>>>> either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all.
>>>>
>>>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially
>>>> since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete all
>>>> the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source.
>>>>
>>>> Terry Durfee
>>>> Frustrated Texan
>>>
>>>

>
>

10-12-2008

In both Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail, you can press
Ctrl+F3 to see the full source code of a message. Copy from there.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:et9IEkMLJHA.4708@xxxxxx

Quote:

> That does not work, because notepad only picks up the copied plain text.
> The HTML or Rich Text is all missing, so that defeats the purpose. That
> could be done by just changing the format to Plain Text in the first place
> instead of copy/paste to Notepad. Since upgrading to WLM didn't fix the
> initial problem, I shall probably go back to Windows Mail after all.
>
> Thank you Gary, for trying to help a lady in distress.
>
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:O$9wsWMLJHA.5972@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the
>> HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the
>> contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the
>> edited contents.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing
>>> the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much
>>> debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that
>>> contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous
>>> forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly
>>> and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails
>>> to family and friends.
>>>
>>> Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer,
>>> running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending
>>> them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx
>>>> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows
>>>> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds.
>>>> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall
>>>> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before.
>>>>
>>>> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and
>>>> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program:
>>>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird
>>>> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS
>>>> email programs.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your
>>>> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must
>>>> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall
>>>> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx
>>>>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas,
>>>>> this also has the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program, during the upgrade, or I
>>>>> have a serious internal mess that no one seems to be able to grasp on to.
>>>>>
>>>>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the program to restart. When it restarts, I can
>>>>> open the attachment. It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security mail scan option
>>>>> turned on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as
>>>>> "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail,
>>>>> that are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't there at
>>>>> all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since I can't properly edit an email I wish to
>>>>> forward, and delete all the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source.
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry Durfee
>>>>> Frustrated Texan
>>>>
>>>>

>>
>>

10-13-2008

I agree that editing source code or even creating new source
code is ESSENTIAL to emailing for countless reasons.

I have not tried WLM but even Yahoo! webmail has the ability
to remove "debris" from the face of the email. With Yahoo!
either clicking reply/forward as attachment allows you to
highlight various items and clicking cut/delete or using the
backspacing key to get rid of unwanted debris. Have you
attempted that in WLM?

I am saddened to think that Windows Mail will be obsolete and
that the ability to access source code is not available within
WLM.

Terry;4022012 Wrote:

Quote:

> That does not work, because notepad only picks up the copied plain
> text.
> The HTML or Rich Text is all missing, so that defeats the purpose.
> That
> could be done by just changing the format to Plain Text in the first
> place
> instead of copy/paste to Notepad. Since upgrading to WLM didn't fix
> the
> initial problem, I shall probably go back to Windows Mail after all.
>
> Thank you Gary, for trying to help a lady in distress.
>
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:O$9wsWMLJHA.5972@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the
> > HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the
> > contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the
> > edited contents.
> >
> > --
> > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> >
> >
> > "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx

Quote:

> >> The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is

> missing

Quote:

> >> the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing

> much

Quote:

> >> debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails

> that

Quote:

> >> contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous
> >> forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted

> quickly

Quote:

> >> and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean

> emails

Quote:

> >> to family and friends.
> >>
> >> Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer,
> >> running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending
> >> them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx
> >>> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows
> >>> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds.
> >>> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall
> >>> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before.
> >>>
> >>> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and
> >>> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program:
> >>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird
> >>> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the

> MS

Quote:

> >>> email programs.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your
> >>> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you

> must

Quote:

> >>> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton

> uninstall

Quote:

> >>> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>> news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx
> >>>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live

> Mail,

Quote:

> >>>> trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also

> has

Quote:

> >>>> the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the

> Windows

Quote:

> >>>> Mail program, during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal

> mess

Quote:

> >>>> that no one seems to be able to grasp on to.
> >>>>
> >>>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which

> causes

Quote:

> >>>> the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the

> attachment.

Quote:

> >>>> It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the

> Norton

Quote:

> >>>> Internet Security mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it

> does

Quote:

> >>>> the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another

> directory or

Quote:

> >>>> file, such as "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time

> upgrading, as

Quote:

> >>>> there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail,

> that

Quote:

> >>>> are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts

> were

Quote:

> >>>> either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry,

> especially

Quote:

> >>>> since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete

> all

Quote:

> >>>> the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's

> Source.

Quote:

> >>>>
> >>>> Terry Durfee
> >>>> Frustrated Texan
> >>>
> >>>

> >
> >

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"VistaRookie" wrote:

Quote:

>
> I agree that editing source code or even creating new source
> code is ESSENTIAL to emailing for countless reasons.
>

I agree - editing at the source allows one to add a table - and many other
things.

Also it upsets me that this new windows email program - mail - has removed
it. Other than that it looks very good - includes a spellchecker. Early
days - though as I've just began using it today.

10-12-2008	#1 (permalink)
Terry n/a posts	Windows Live Mail missing key components Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also has the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program, during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal mess that no one seems to be able to grasp on to. When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the attachment. It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, that are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all. Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete all the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source. Terry Durfee Frustrated Texan
My System Specs

10-12-2008	#2 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Windows Live Mail missing key components If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds. If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before. Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program: http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS email programs. If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall leaves a lot of problematic debris behind. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: > Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this > also has the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program, during the upgrade, or I have a > serious internal mess that no one seems to be able to grasp on to. > > When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open > the attachment. It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security mail scan option turned > on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as "Pictures". > I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, that are not > available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all. > > Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, > and delete all the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source. > > Terry Durfee > Frustrated Texan
My System Specs

10-12-2008	#3 (permalink)
Terry n/a posts	Re: Windows Live Mail missing key components The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails to family and friends. Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer, running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying. "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx Quote: > If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows > Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds. > If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall > it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before. > > Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and > Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program: > http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird > The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS > email programs. > > If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your > antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must > follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall > leaves a lot of problematic debris behind. > > -- > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) > > > "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: >> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, >> trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also has the >> same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail >> program, during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal mess that no >> one seems to be able to grasp on to. >> >> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes >> the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the attachment. It >> seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet >> Security mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it does the same >> thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such >> as "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are >> not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, that are not >> available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing >> the addresses, or weren't there at all. >> >> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially >> since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete all >> the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source. >> >> Terry Durfee >> Frustrated Texan > >
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10-12-2008	#4 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Windows Live Mail missing key components Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the edited contents. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx Quote: > The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing > the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much > debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that > contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous > forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly > and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails > to family and friends. > > Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer, > running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending > them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying. > > > "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx Quote: >> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows >> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds. >> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall >> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before. >> >> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and >> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program: >> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird >> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS >> email programs. >> >> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your >> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must >> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall >> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind. >> >> -- >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) >> >> >> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, >>> this also has the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program, during the upgrade, or I >>> have a serious internal mess that no one seems to be able to grasp on to. >>> >>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open >>> the attachment. It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security mail scan option turned >>> on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as >>> "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, >>> that are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all. >>> >>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, >>> and delete all the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source. >>> >>> Terry Durfee >>> Frustrated Texan >> >>
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10-12-2008	#5 (permalink)
Terry n/a posts	Re: Windows Live Mail missing key components That does not work, because notepad only picks up the copied plain text. The HTML or Rich Text is all missing, so that defeats the purpose. That could be done by just changing the format to Plain Text in the first place instead of copy/paste to Notepad. Since upgrading to WLM didn't fix the initial problem, I shall probably go back to Windows Mail after all. Thank you Gary, for trying to help a lady in distress. "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:O$9wsWMLJHA.5972@xxxxxx Quote: > Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the > HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the > contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the > edited contents. > > -- > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) > > > "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx Quote: >> The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing >> the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much >> debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that >> contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous >> forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly >> and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails >> to family and friends. >> >> Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer, >> running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending >> them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying. >> >> >> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx Quote: >>> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows >>> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds. >>> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall >>> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before. >>> >>> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and >>> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program: >>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird >>> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS >>> email programs. >>> >>> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your >>> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must >>> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall >>> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) >>> >>> >>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx >>>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, >>>> trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also has >>>> the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows >>>> Mail program, during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal mess >>>> that no one seems to be able to grasp on to. >>>> >>>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes >>>> the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the attachment. >>>> It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton >>>> Internet Security mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it does >>>> the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or >>>> file, such as "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as >>>> there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, that >>>> are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were >>>> either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all. >>>> >>>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially >>>> since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete all >>>> the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source. >>>> >>>> Terry Durfee >>>> Frustrated Texan >>> >>> > >
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10-12-2008	#6 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Windows Live Mail missing key components In both Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail, you can press Ctrl+F3 to see the full source code of a message. Copy from there. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:et9IEkMLJHA.4708@xxxxxx Quote: > That does not work, because notepad only picks up the copied plain text. > The HTML or Rich Text is all missing, so that defeats the purpose. That > could be done by just changing the format to Plain Text in the first place > instead of copy/paste to Notepad. Since upgrading to WLM didn't fix the > initial problem, I shall probably go back to Windows Mail after all. > > Thank you Gary, for trying to help a lady in distress. > > > > "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:O$9wsWMLJHA.5972@xxxxxx Quote: >> Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the >> HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the >> contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the >> edited contents. >> >> -- >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) >> >> >> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx Quote: >>> The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is missing >>> the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing much >>> debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails that >>> contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous >>> forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted quickly >>> and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean emails >>> to family and friends. >>> >>> Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer, >>> running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending >>> them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying. >>> >>> >>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx >>>> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows >>>> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds. >>>> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall >>>> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before. >>>> >>>> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and >>>> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program: >>>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird >>>> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the MS >>>> email programs. >>>> >>>> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your >>>> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you must >>>> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton uninstall >>>> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) >>>> >>>> >>>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx >>>>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live Mail, trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, >>>>> this also has the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the Windows Mail program, during the upgrade, or I >>>>> have a serious internal mess that no one seems to be able to grasp on to. >>>>> >>>>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which causes the program to restart. When it restarts, I can >>>>> open the attachment. It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the Norton Internet Security mail scan option >>>>> turned on or off. Sometimes it does the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another directory or file, such as >>>>> "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time upgrading, as there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, >>>>> that are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts were either missing the addresses, or weren't there at >>>>> all. >>>>> >>>>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, especially since I can't properly edit an email I wish to >>>>> forward, and delete all the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's Source. >>>>> >>>>> Terry Durfee >>>>> Frustrated Texan >>>> >>>> >> >>
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10-13-2008	#7 (permalink)
VistaRookie n/a posts	Re: Windows Live Mail missing key components I agree that editing source code or even creating new source code is ESSENTIAL to emailing for countless reasons. I have not tried WLM but even Yahoo! webmail has the ability to remove "debris" from the face of the email. With Yahoo! either clicking reply/forward as attachment allows you to highlight various items and clicking cut/delete or using the backspacing key to get rid of unwanted debris. Have you attempted that in WLM? I am saddened to think that Windows Mail will be obsolete and that the ability to access source code is not available within WLM. Terry;4022012 Wrote: Quote: > That does not work, because notepad only picks up the copied plain > text. > The HTML or Rich Text is all missing, so that defeats the purpose. > That > could be done by just changing the format to Plain Text in the first > place > instead of copy/paste to Notepad. Since upgrading to WLM didn't fix > the > initial problem, I shall probably go back to Windows Mail after all. > > Thank you Gary, for trying to help a lady in distress. > > > > "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:O$9wsWMLJHA.5972@xxxxxx Quote: > > Yes, you're right, WLMail does not have the ability to edit the > > HTML source code. The only other workaround is to copy the > > contents into Notepad, do your editing there, then paste the > > edited contents. > > > > -- > > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) > > > > > > "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > news:OHZEb$LLJHA.5972@xxxxxx Quote: > >> The only problem I seem to have noticed with the WLM is it is > missing Quote: Quote: > >> the editing option while forwarding a previous email containing > much Quote: Quote: > >> debris of garbage in it's source. That was how I cleaned up emails > that Quote: Quote: > >> contained graphics and text and along the way, during numerous > >> forwards it gathered up many hidden links, etc., which I deleted > quickly Quote: Quote: > >> and easily using the Source option. That was how I sent out clean > emails Quote: Quote: > >> to family and friends. > >> > >> Now I will have to forward the "dirty" emails to my old computer, > >> running XP and OLEXP, where I can clean them up before resending > >> them out. That will be time consuming and quite annoying. > >> > >> > >> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >> news:OmPUHuLLJHA.1556@xxxxxx > >>> If you want to elaborate on apparent missing features in Windows > >>> Live Mail, I may be able to clarify or offer workarounds. > >>> If you are disappointed with Windows Live Mail, you can uninstall > >>> it, and Windows Mail will be back just like before. > >>> > >>> Several users who had similar failures with both Windows Mail and > >>> Windows Live Mail had success by switching to a non-MS program: > >>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird > >>> The drawback is that it will not readily import anything from the > MS Quote: Quote: > >>> email programs. > >>> > >>> If you want to pursue a solution for Windows Mail, uninstall your > >>> antivirus. Just disabling Norton is often insufficient, and you > must Quote: Quote: > >>> follow up with the special removal tool, because a Norton > uninstall Quote: Quote: > >>> leaves a lot of problematic debris behind. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) > >>> > >>> > >>> "Terry" <ghosty191@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >>> news:OCA%23PqKLJHA.3496@xxxxxx > >>>> Ok, fellows, I have downloaded and installed the Windows Live > Mail, Quote: Quote: > >>>> trying my best to repair the restarting problem. Alas, this also > has Quote: Quote: > >>>> the same problem. Either the problem was carried over from the > Windows Quote: Quote: > >>>> Mail program, during the upgrade, or I have a serious internal > mess Quote: Quote: > >>>> that no one seems to be able to grasp on to. > >>>> > >>>> When opening the WLM program, I try to open an attachment, which > causes Quote: Quote: > >>>> the program to restart. When it restarts, I can open the > attachment. Quote: Quote: > >>>> It seems this is the same problem, whether or not I have the > Norton Quote: Quote: > >>>> Internet Security mail scan option turned on or off. Sometimes it > does Quote: Quote: > >>>> the same thing when I try to save an attachment to another > directory or Quote: Quote: > >>>> file, such as "Pictures". I believe I have wasted my time > upgrading, as Quote: Quote: > >>>> there are not only features I used extensively with Windows Mail, > that Quote: Quote: > >>>> are not available in this new WLM, but several of my contacts > were Quote: Quote: > >>>> either missing the addresses, or weren't there at all. > >>>> > >>>> Now I am not only disappointed with Microsoft, I am angry, > especially Quote: Quote: > >>>> since I can't properly edit an email I wish to forward, and delete > all Quote: Quote: > >>>> the garbage that is hidden behind in the scripting through it's > Source. Quote: Quote: > >>>> > >>>> Terry Durfee > >>>> Frustrated Texan > >>> > >>> > > > > -- VistaRookie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VistaRookie's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/members/vistarookie.htm View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/windows-v...il/1053583.htm http://forums.techarena.in
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01-18-2009	#8 (permalink)
cityfly n/a posts	Re: Windows Live Mail missing key components "VistaRookie" wrote: Quote: > > I agree that editing source code or even creating new source > code is ESSENTIAL to emailing for countless reasons. > I agree - editing at the source allows one to add a table - and many other things. Also it upsets me that this new windows email program - mail - has removed it. Other than that it looks very good - includes a spellchecker. Early days - though as I've just began using it today.
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