Vista Tutorial - Why no yEnc support?

So, why does Vista Mail not support yEnc? People have been wanting Outlook
Express to support this fairly old, and VERY common, usenet encoding method
for a LONG time, and the latest version, now named Vista Mail, was the
perfect opportunity to include it.

So, WHY have they chosen to ignore this widely used standard? I fail to
understand what possible reasoning they could have to ignore it, especially
when almost every other newsreader out there DOES.

YEnc is not as yet a standard among mail apps. When it becomes a standard
and has an RFC outlining how it should and does work, then it might be
acceptable. Until then, there are some reasons why it may create problems
outlined in the following links.

Reasons why yEnc support is not a good idea:
http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020...c-harmful.html

Why yEnc is bad for Usenet:
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/yenc.html

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"Lorne Smith" <floating_fat_man@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So, why does Vista Mail not support yEnc? People have been wanting
> Outlook Express to support this fairly old, and VERY common, usenet
> encoding method for a LONG time, and the latest version, now named Vista
> Mail, was the perfect opportunity to include it.
>
> So, WHY have they chosen to ignore this widely used standard? I fail to
> understand what possible reasoning they could have to ignore it,
> especially when almost every other newsreader out there DOES.

Fair enough.... It's not perfect, and it has problems... But still, that
doesn't alter the fact that since those documents were written (Thanks for
the links BTW), yEnc pretty much HAS become a de facto standard and is
widely used on the internet.

It may not be pretty, but it's used everywhere, so why not add it in? Other
newsreaders manage too, and I've never had problems with them... I just
prefer the way OE does things...

"Jim Pickering" <jimp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:e8M$PFv9GHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> YEnc is not as yet a standard among mail apps. When it becomes a standard
> and has an RFC outlining how it should and does work, then it might be
> acceptable. Until then, there are some reasons why it may create problems
> outlined in the following links.
>
> Reasons why yEnc support is not a good idea:
> http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020...c-harmful.html
>
> Why yEnc is bad for Usenet:
> http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/yenc.html
>
> --
> Jim Pickering, MVP, Windows Mail Apps
> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...8-1171988A62D6
> Please deliver feedback to the newsgroup, so that others can be helped.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Lorne Smith" <floating_fat_man@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1169C2E7-F6BE-4AA2-BC89-D0E65C3E3BA5@microsoft.com...
>> So, why does Vista Mail not support yEnc? People have been wanting
>> Outlook Express to support this fairly old, and VERY common, usenet
>> encoding method for a LONG time, and the latest version, now named Vista
>> Mail, was the perfect opportunity to include it.
>>
>> So, WHY have they chosen to ignore this widely used standard? I fail to
>> understand what possible reasoning they could have to ignore it,
>> especially when almost every other newsreader out there DOES.
>

I think that historically, the OE dev team has gotten enough complaints
about how Outlook Express fails to comply with existing standards as
outlined in the RFCs, that they are naturally reluctant to insert anything
new into any mail application until it has a large body of standards for how
it should work. And that comment would apply to Windows Mail, WLMD and the
current web only product Windows Live mail.

Now if you want to rail about stupidity, how about going after the wise guys
who came up with those names?
--
Jim Pickering, MVP, Windows Mail Apps
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...8-1171988A62D6
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"Lorne Smith" <floating_fat_man@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43D4B0E2-2D7D-4082-AFFC-191233F00DFB@microsoft.com...
> Fair enough.... It's not perfect, and it has problems... But still, that
> doesn't alter the fact that since those documents were written (Thanks for
> the links BTW), yEnc pretty much HAS become a de facto standard and is
> widely used on the internet.
>
> It may not be pretty, but it's used everywhere, so why not add it in?
> Other newsreaders manage too, and I've never had problems with them... I
> just prefer the way OE does things...
>
> "Jim Pickering" <jimp@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:e8M$PFv9GHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> YEnc is not as yet a standard among mail apps. When it becomes a
>> standard and has an RFC outlining how it should and does work, then it
>> might be acceptable. Until then, there are some reasons why it may
>> create problems outlined in the following links.
>>
>> Reasons why yEnc support is not a good idea:
>> http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020...c-harmful.html
>>
>> Why yEnc is bad for Usenet:
>> http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/yenc.html
>>
>> --
>> Jim Pickering, MVP, Windows Mail Apps
>> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...8-1171988A62D6
>> Please deliver feedback to the newsgroup, so that others can be helped.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lorne Smith" <floating_fat_man@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1169C2E7-F6BE-4AA2-BC89-D0E65C3E3BA5@microsoft.com...
>>> So, why does Vista Mail not support yEnc? People have been wanting
>>> Outlook Express to support this fairly old, and VERY common, usenet
>>> encoding method for a LONG time, and the latest version, now named Vista
>>> Mail, was the perfect opportunity to include it.
>>>
>>> So, WHY have they chosen to ignore this widely used standard? I fail to
>>> understand what possible reasoning they could have to ignore it,
>>> especially when almost every other newsreader out there DOES.
>>
>

"Lorne Smith" <floating_fat_man@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169C2E7-F6BE-4AA2-BC89-D0E65C3E3BA5@microsoft.com...
> So, why does Vista Mail not support yEnc? People have been wanting
> Outlook Express to support this fairly old, and VERY common, usenet
> encoding method for a LONG time, and the latest version, now named Vista
> Mail, was the perfect opportunity to include it.
>
> So, WHY have they chosen to ignore this widely used standard? I fail to
> understand what possible reasoning they could have to ignore it,
> especially when almost every other newsreader out there DOES.


I agree 100%. yEnc is an absolute need in news groups. It's the standard and
has been for a couple of years now.

Regards,
Skon

"skon" <skonofvulcan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lorne Smith" <floating_fat_man@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1169C2E7-F6BE-4AA2-BC89-D0E65C3E3BA5@microsoft.com...
>> So, why does Vista Mail not support yEnc? People have been wanting
>> Outlook Express to support this fairly old, and VERY common, usenet
>> encoding method for a LONG time, and the latest version, now named Vista
>> Mail, was the perfect opportunity to include it.
>>
>> So, WHY have they chosen to ignore this widely used standard? I fail to
>> understand what possible reasoning they could have to ignore it,
>> especially when almost every other newsreader out there DOES.
>
>
> I agree 100%. yEnc is an absolute need in news groups. It's the standard
> and has been for a couple of years now.
>
> Regards,
> Skon

That's just the trouble: There hasn't been a standard adopted.

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