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Old 10-22-2009   #51 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...efault-5..html

By the way, I always read all the threads here.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@newsgroup
Quote:

> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320 gb
> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium to
> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@newsgroup
> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>
> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>
>
> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "aussieann" <ann@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ....
>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will be
>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>> Mail ???
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@newsgroup
>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@newsgroup
Quote:

>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>
>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Old 10-22-2009   #52 (permalink)
Paul H


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
"The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft? No
W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@newsgroup
This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something
else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...default-5.html

By the way, I always read all the threads here.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@newsgroup
Quote:

> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
> gb
> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
> to
> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@newsgroup
> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>
> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>
>
> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "aussieann" <ann@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>> be
>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>> Mail ???
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@newsgroup
>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@newsgroup
Quote:

>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>
>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-23-2009   #53 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Microsoft will probably not create a Windows 7 newsgroup,
since they are deemphasizing NNTP support. A web-based
help site is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help

and some forums here:

http://windows7forums.com/
http://www.sevenforums.com/

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message news:uCft0t2UKHA.5208@newsgroup
Quote:

> Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
> Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
> works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
> "The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
> upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
> There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
> files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
> external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
> but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
> works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
> newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft? No
> W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@newsgroup
> This procedure worked for me:
> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something
> else.
> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>
> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
> registry fixes mentioned here:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...efault-5..html
>
> By the way, I always read all the threads here.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
>> gb
>> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
>> to
>> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
>> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find the
>> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@newsgroup
>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>
>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>
>>
>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "aussieann" <ann@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ....
>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>>> be
>>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>> Mail ???
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@newsgroup
>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@newsgroup
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>
>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-24-2009   #54 (permalink)
Paul H


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Gary, I used the link you gave to me. Microsoft has escalated my problem
twice, and the current guy has spent hours taking over my screen and trying
things. I hope he will give up soon and escalate my problem to someone in
Seattle. Is there a way I can make that happen?

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OQorl15UKHA.4360@newsgroup
Microsoft will probably not create a Windows 7 newsgroup,
since they are deemphasizing NNTP support. A web-based
help site is here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help

and some forums here:

http://windows7forums.com/
http://www.sevenforums.com/

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:uCft0t2UKHA.5208@newsgroup
Quote:

> Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
> Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
> works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
> "The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
> upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
> There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
> files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
> external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
> but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
> works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
> newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft?
> No
> W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@newsgroup
> This procedure worked for me:
> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to
> something
> else.
> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working
> Vista
> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>
> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
> registry fixes mentioned here:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...default-5.html
>
> By the way, I always read all the threads here.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
>> gb
>> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
>> to
>> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
>> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find
>> the
>> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@newsgroup
>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>
>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>
>>
>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "aussieann" <ann@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>>> be
>>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>> Mail ???
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@newsgroup
>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@newsgroup
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>
>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Old 10-24-2009   #55 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Not sure which one of the three links you mean.

I don't know of any way to get escalated support from Microsoft.

Be sure to post your issue to the two forums I gave you. Some user
may have resolved that issue already.
Also, here is a third help forum:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...egory/windows7

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message news:egiU%23nMVKHA.4704@newsgroup
Quote:

> Gary, I used the link you gave to me. Microsoft has escalated my problem
> twice, and the current guy has spent hours taking over my screen and trying
> things. I hope he will give up soon and escalate my problem to someone in
> Seattle. Is there a way I can make that happen?
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OQorl15UKHA.4360@newsgroup
> Microsoft will probably not create a Windows 7 newsgroup,
> since they are deemphasizing NNTP support. A web-based
> help site is here:
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help
>
> and some forums here:
>
> http://windows7forums.com/
> http://www.sevenforums.com/
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:uCft0t2UKHA.5208@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Thank you Gary - that should work for me - I do have my up-to-date Windows
>> Mail on another Vista Home Premium, that I won't upgrade until the 1st one
>> works flawlessly. Right now I'm stuck - W7 home premium says
>> "The following issues are preventing Windows from upgrading. Cancel the
>> upgrade, complete each task, and then restart the upgrade to continue. -
>> There is not enough free space to store temporary Windows installation
>> files. Try using Disk Cleanup, uninstall old programs, or move files to an
>> external location such as a CD, DVD, or external hard drive. "
>> but I just changed to a huge hard drive and re-installed C: and D: and it
>> works perfectly for a day or two. I posted a new query in vista.general
>> newsgroup. Right now I'm waiting for any help. How do I ask Microsoft?
>> No
>> W#7 newsgroup yet. Just forums.
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:uNebAH0UKHA.1232@newsgroup
>> This procedure worked for me:
>> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to
>> something
>> else.
>> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working
>> Vista
>> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
>> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>>
>> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
>> registry fixes mentioned here:
>> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...efault-5..html
>>
>> By the way, I always read all the threads here.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:OIWPZgtUKHA.1792@newsgroup
Quote:

>>> Gary, I hope you're still watching this thread. I installed a large (320
>>> gb
>>> vs. the insufficient 80 gb) hard drive, so I'll do the Vista Home Premium
>>> to
>>> W7 Home Premium in place upgrade, maybe tomorrow, and I'll keep all of my
>>> installed applications. Including Windows Mail. So I hope I can find
>>> the
>>> hacks that have been mentioned here. Thanks, Paul
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Y%23MGg5SKHA.4360@newsgroup
>>> There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail in
>>> Win7. It requires you to copy the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
>>> from a working Vista computer to the Win7 computer. There are
>>> limitations to that hack. For one thing, it doesn't allow WM to be
>>> set as the default mail client. That means, for example, when you
>>> click on a mail link on a web page, WM can't handle it.
>>>
>>> I only use the newsgroups function of WM in Win7, because
>>> newsgroups seldom need any 'default' protocol actions from the OS.
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that future Windows Updates may make WM even less
>>> compatible. You might as well see the handwriting on the wall and
>>> upgrade to Windows Live Mail now.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "aussieann" <ann@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>> news:uAyCrs4SKHA.1236@newsgroup
>>>> Have been following this thread with interest .... from what you say ...
>>>> does that mean that when a new computer is purchased with
>>>> Windows 7 as the system and therefor no email client, that WinMail will
>>>> be
>>>> available to use on that system alongside Windows Live
>>>> Mail ???
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>>> news:uLVYPjvSKHA.4020@newsgroup
>>>> Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7.
>>>> You don't need to do anything special. If you want all
>>>> incoming emails to go to both programs, configure WM to
>>>> leave a copy on the server (which is the default setting in WLM).
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23mMKAasSKHA.4028@newsgroup
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
>>>>> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
>>>>> Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
>>>>> work well under Windows 7."
>>>>>
>>>>> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
>>>>> automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
>>>>> that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
>>>>> I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
>>>>> revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
>>>>> sources of info about how a novice might manage this
>>>>> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Old 3 Weeks Ago   #56 (permalink)
Paul H


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Gary,

I am waiting until I have a fix (hack?) so my Vista's Windows Mail will work
properly when I upgrade (not new install) to W7. I purchased an Acer
slightly before W7's availability, that included an upgrade to W7 when it
becomes available. I got my upgrade CD - Vista Home Premium 32 bit to W7
Home premium 32 bit - yesterday.

Since the upgrade will preserve my programs, including Windows Mail, the
hack should let me continue to use Windows Mail with all my contracts,
messages in various folders, etc.

Can you point me to the hack?

Thanks,

Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:eCy72yCTKHA.1372@newsgroup
I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.

Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
and in Vista they are both fully functional.

Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
previously mentioned.
Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
and I am using it in that fashion right now.
Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:%23DEmk08SKHA.4028@newsgroup
Quote:

>
> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
> above, you said:
>
> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You
> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>
> Then today, October 12, you say:
>
> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
> in
> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one
> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
> client."
>
> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>
> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
> click NO."
>
> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
> MLM.
>
> Thanks.
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #57 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...tml#post309014

Those registry fixes are only needed if you want Windows Mail to handle
all the default mail protocols. The fixes aren't needed to get basic mail
functionality.

Be aware that future Windows Updates may render WM inoperable in
Windows 7, as will running SFC.exe. For that reason I recommend also
installing Windows Live Mail, so you will have an immediate fallback
if WM fails.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message news:OagiCOjXKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

> Gary,
>
> I am waiting until I have a fix (hack?) so my Vista's Windows Mail will work
> properly when I upgrade (not new install) to W7. I purchased an Acer
> slightly before W7's availability, that included an upgrade to W7 when it
> becomes available. I got my upgrade CD - Vista Home Premium 32 bit to W7
> Home premium 32 bit - yesterday.
>
> Since the upgrade will preserve my programs, including Windows Mail, the
> hack should let me continue to use Windows Mail with all my contracts,
> messages in various folders, etc.
>
> Can you point me to the hack?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:eCy72yCTKHA.1372@newsgroup
> I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.
>
> Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
> and in Vista they are both fully functional.
>
> Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
> previously mentioned.
> Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
> and I am using it in that fashion right now.
> Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
> Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
> limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
> of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:%23DEmk08SKHA.4028@newsgroup
Quote:

>>
>> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
>> above, you said:
>>
>> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You
>> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>>
>> Then today, October 12, you say:
>>
>> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
>> in
>> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one
>> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
>> client."
>>
>> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>>
>> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
>> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
>> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
>> click NO."
>>
>> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
>> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
>> MLM.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #58 (permalink)
Paul H


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Thanks, Gary. I won't need to move Windows Mail to W7. It will be there,
like all of my other applications, since I'm doing an in-place upgrade, not
a total install.

You pointed me to that W7 forum before, but I don't see how to download the
two registry fixes. I'm apparently not understanding something very basic,
but it's Greek to me.

If WM eventually stops working, I'll move to T-bird or something else - not
WLM - that won't work for me.

Best regards,
Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OmXqRHlXKHA.1372@newsgroup
This procedure worked for me:
1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something
else.
2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.

Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...tml#post309014

Those registry fixes are only needed if you want Windows Mail to handle
all the default mail protocols. The fixes aren't needed to get basic mail
functionality.

Be aware that future Windows Updates may render WM inoperable in
Windows 7, as will running SFC.exe. For that reason I recommend also
installing Windows Live Mail, so you will have an immediate fallback
if WM fails.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OagiCOjXKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

> Gary,
>
> I am waiting until I have a fix (hack?) so my Vista's Windows Mail will
> work
> properly when I upgrade (not new install) to W7. I purchased an Acer
> slightly before W7's availability, that included an upgrade to W7 when it
> becomes available. I got my upgrade CD - Vista Home Premium 32 bit to W7
> Home premium 32 bit - yesterday.
>
> Since the upgrade will preserve my programs, including Windows Mail, the
> hack should let me continue to use Windows Mail with all my contracts,
> messages in various folders, etc.
>
> Can you point me to the hack?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:eCy72yCTKHA.1372@newsgroup
> I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.
>
> Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
> and in Vista they are both fully functional.
>
> Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
> previously mentioned.
> Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
> and I am using it in that fashion right now.
> Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
> Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
> limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
> of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:%23DEmk08SKHA.4028@newsgroup
Quote:

>>
>> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
>> above, you said:
>>
>> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You
>> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>>
>> Then today, October 12, you say:
>>
>> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
>> in
>> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one
>> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
>> client."
>>
>> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>>
>> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
>> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
>> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
>> click NO."
>>
>> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
>> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
>> MLM.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #59 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Your assumption is not correct.
The in-place upgrade of Vista to Windows 7 will not bring along
Vista's Windows Mail. Microsoft has deliberately disabled
Windows Mail in Windows 7. Only the procedure I gave you will
resurrect it.

The file names in the forum are clickable links. Clicking on those
should start the download process.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message news:O9pvdslXKHA.1372@newsgroup
Quote:

> Thanks, Gary. I won't need to move Windows Mail to W7. It will be there,
> like all of my other applications, since I'm doing an in-place upgrade, not
> a total install.
>
> You pointed me to that W7 forum before, but I don't see how to download the
> two registry fixes. I'm apparently not understanding something very basic,
> but it's Greek to me.
>
> If WM eventually stops working, I'll move to T-bird or something else - not
> WLM - that won't work for me.
>
> Best regards,
> Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OmXqRHlXKHA.1372@newsgroup
> This procedure worked for me:
> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to something
> else.
> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working Vista
> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>
> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
> registry fixes mentioned here:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...tml#post309014
>
> Those registry fixes are only needed if you want Windows Mail to handle
> all the default mail protocols. The fixes aren't needed to get basic mail
> functionality.
>
> Be aware that future Windows Updates may render WM inoperable in
> Windows 7, as will running SFC.exe. For that reason I recommend also
> installing Windows Live Mail, so you will have an immediate fallback
> if WM fails.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OagiCOjXKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Gary,
>>
>> I am waiting until I have a fix (hack?) so my Vista's Windows Mail will
>> work
>> properly when I upgrade (not new install) to W7. I purchased an Acer
>> slightly before W7's availability, that included an upgrade to W7 when it
>> becomes available. I got my upgrade CD - Vista Home Premium 32 bit to W7
>> Home premium 32 bit - yesterday.
>>
>> Since the upgrade will preserve my programs, including Windows Mail, the
>> hack should let me continue to use Windows Mail with all my contracts,
>> messages in various folders, etc.
>>
>> Can you point me to the hack?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:eCy72yCTKHA.1372@newsgroup
>> I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.
>>
>> Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
>> and in Vista they are both fully functional.
>>
>> Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
>> previously mentioned.
>> Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
>> and I am using it in that fashion right now.
>> Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
>> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
>> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
>> Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
>> limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
>> of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:%23DEmk08SKHA.4028@newsgroup
Quote:

>>>
>>> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
>>> above, you said:
>>>
>>> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You
>>> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>>>
>>> Then today, October 12, you say:
>>>
>>> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
>>> in
>>> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one
>>> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
>>> client."
>>>
>>> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>>>
>>> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
>>> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
>>> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
>>> click NO."
>>>
>>> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
>>> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
>>> MLM.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 3 Weeks Ago   #60 (permalink)
Paul H


 
 

Re: Windows 7 email program?

Gary, your advice is excellent. My email is working, with all of my
contacts and my folder structures. I had to export .iaf files to avoid
having to enter passwords for my 16 email accounts. Whew!

But based upon the problems that poppa bear says he had with the hacks, I
probably should leave what I have. What is an example of what I will be
missing? A big deal, or just a minor annoyance occasionally?

Today I did an in-place update from Vista 32 bit Home Premium to W7 32 bit
Home Premium, using the CDs that Acer sent because I purchased one of their
8 hour battery 15.6" 5810T laptops last month for $450. It took forever,
and I had to turn the laptop off a couple times, then start it back up. It
picked up where it had been stuck, every time. That concerned me, but the
results appear OK. I finished by doing their many updates. All of the
applications work. And since my contacts and emails are where they were, I
suspect the same technique will work there,and I'd rather use that laptop as
my email machine.

Thanks again, and could I trust the hacks, or learn from poppa bear's
problems?

Paul

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OmJZrDnXKHA.3504@newsgroup
Your assumption is not correct.
The in-place upgrade of Vista to Windows 7 will not bring along
Vista's Windows Mail. Microsoft has deliberately disabled
Windows Mail in Windows 7. Only the procedure I gave you will
resurrect it.

The file names in the forum are clickable links. Clicking on those
should start the download process.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:O9pvdslXKHA.1372@newsgroup
Quote:

> Thanks, Gary. I won't need to move Windows Mail to W7. It will be there,
> like all of my other applications, since I'm doing an in-place upgrade,
> not
> a total install.
>
> You pointed me to that W7 forum before, but I don't see how to download
> the
> two registry fixes. I'm apparently not understanding something very
> basic,
> but it's Greek to me.
>
> If WM eventually stops working, I'll move to T-bird or something else -
> not
> WLM - that won't work for me.
>
> Best regards,
> Paul
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OmXqRHlXKHA.1372@newsgroup
> This procedure worked for me:
> 1. Rename the C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ directory in Win7 to
> something
> else.
> 2. Copy that same-named directory (including its files) from a working
> Vista
> computer and paste it to the Win7 computer.
> 3. Create a new shortcut from the WinMail.exe file.
>
> Then after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
> registry fixes mentioned here:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...tml#post309014
>
> Those registry fixes are only needed if you want Windows Mail to handle
> all the default mail protocols. The fixes aren't needed to get basic mail
> functionality.
>
> Be aware that future Windows Updates may render WM inoperable in
> Windows 7, as will running SFC.exe. For that reason I recommend also
> installing Windows Live Mail, so you will have an immediate fallback
> if WM fails.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OagiCOjXKHA.1236@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Gary,
>>
>> I am waiting until I have a fix (hack?) so my Vista's Windows Mail will
>> work
>> properly when I upgrade (not new install) to W7. I purchased an Acer
>> slightly before W7's availability, that included an upgrade to W7 when it
>> becomes available. I got my upgrade CD - Vista Home Premium 32 bit to W7
>> Home premium 32 bit - yesterday.
>>
>> Since the upgrade will preserve my programs, including Windows Mail, the
>> hack should let me continue to use Windows Mail with all my contracts,
>> messages in various folders, etc.
>>
>> Can you point me to the hack?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:eCy72yCTKHA.1372@newsgroup
>> I'm not sure where you are seeing a conflict in my statements.
>>
>> Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail can be used simultaneously,
>> and in Vista they are both fully functional.
>>
>> Windows Mail will only run in Windows 7 after employing the hack I
>> previously mentioned.
>> Windows Mail newsgroups mode under Windows 7 is fully functional,
>> and I am using it in that fashion right now.
>> Windows Mail email mode under Windows 7 is functional as far as
>> the basics are concerned, but I don't recommend it for the average
>> user because they will get frustrated when their MailTo links don't work.
>> Furthermore, future Windows 7 updates may further degrade WM's
>> limited compatibility with that OS, since Microsoft has no intention
>> of supporting WM functionality under Windows 7.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>>
>>
>> "CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:%23DEmk08SKHA.4028@newsgroup
Quote:

>>>
>>> Gary, I'm confused by your statements. On October 11,
>>> above, you said:
>>>
>>> "Both mail programs will coexist very nicely. In fact,
>>> I've been running both programs simultaneously since
>>> February 2007, initially on Vista, now on Windows 7. You
>>> don't need to do anything special. ... ".
>>>
>>> Then today, October 12, you say:
>>>
>>> "There is a hack available to allow some use of Windows Mail
>>> in
>>> Win7. ... There are limitations to that hack. For one
>>> thing, it doesn't allow WM to be set as the default mail
>>> client."
>>>
>>> To make things murkier for me, t-4-2 wrote, on October 11:
>>>
>>> "WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
>>> Default program, and each time you open the non-default one,
>>> you'll be asked if you want to change it to default. Just
>>> click NO."
>>>
>>> Further clarification appreciated, not just from Gary and
>>> t-4-2, but from anyone with experience using both MW and
>>> MLM.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>
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