Vista - First install

I'll be moving to Vista when it becomes available and have been reading both
the mail and general newsgroups for a couple of months in preparation for
the move to--hopefully--lower my ASA usage during and after the install.

As I have very rudimentary need for a calendar, I was looking forward
to--possibly--having the new Windows Mail enabling me to stop using Outlook.
I currently use OE for mail and Outlook for calendar and contacts (the
contact portion is only so I can sync with my pda).

Assuming whatever the sync replacement is works with Windows Mail it would
seem to me that I'll have no need to install Outlook. From what I've read,
it seems that Vista will retain my programs etc when I do the install. My
question is, will it--seeing both Outlook and Outlook Express on my system
allow me to pick which one it takes its data from or will it simply do
nothing until I "tell" it to import from one or the other? I'm trying to
set myself up for the easiest migration and wonder if it's best to have
the program do it automatically or if I'd be better off, for example, to
make sure I've got everything I want in OE files, move them to my external
hard drive and then manually "get" them after the Vista Mail installation is
complete.

Thought, anyone?

Thanks,
Tim

Hi, Tim.

> As I have very rudimentary need for a calendar,

Would Windows Calendar suit your needs? Look for it in your Start | All
Programs menu. It's much less than the Calendar in Outlook - and maybe
that's what you need.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail 7.0 in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Tim Scott Mathews" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:nG8lh.106571$hn.87650@edtnps82...
> I'll be moving to Vista when it becomes available and have been reading
> both the mail and general newsgroups for a couple of months in preparation
> for the move to--hopefully--lower my ASA usage during and after the
> install.
>
> As I have very rudimentary need for a calendar, I was looking forward
> to--possibly--having the new Windows Mail enabling me to stop using
> Outlook. I currently use OE for mail and Outlook for calendar and contacts
> (the contact portion is only so I can sync with my pda).
>
> Assuming whatever the sync replacement is works with Windows Mail it would
> seem to me that I'll have no need to install Outlook. From what I've
> read, it seems that Vista will retain my programs etc when I do the
> install. My question is, will it--seeing both Outlook and Outlook Express
> on my system allow me to pick which one it takes its data from or will it
> simply do nothing until I "tell" it to import from one or the other? I'm
> trying to set myself up for the easiest migration and wonder if it's best
> to have the program do it automatically or if I'd be better off, for
> example, to make sure I've got everything I want in OE files, move them to
> my external hard drive and then manually "get" them after the Vista Mail
> installation is complete.
>
> Thought, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim

After you install Vista and open Windows Mail and create a mail account, you
will be afforded an opportunity to import your existing mail messages from
either Outlook or Outlook Express 6, Exchange, etc.

You will not be able to import directly into the Windows calendar your
Outlook calendar information, although the Help files indicate you should be
able to use Google's calendar application to do some rudimentary copying of
the info. But info you've already entered into Outlook's calendar will
still remain for synching with mobile devices.

Since Windows Mail does not use the old Windows Address Book, but instead
lumps all your Contacts into the Contacts folder, you will not have any
problems with an old wab file. Double clicking a wab file will result in a
dialog asking if you wish to import the info in the wab file into the
Contacts folder.

Synching settings are set via Windows Mobile Device Center and your Vista
computer so Outlook still has a function. Whether or not you install it is
a matter of choice after you review the available options in Vista. Good
luck.
--
Jim Pickering, MVP/Windows Mail applications
Please reply ONLY to newsgroup.


"Tim Scott Mathews" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:nG8lh.106571$hn.87650@edtnps82...
> I'll be moving to Vista when it becomes available and have been reading
> both the mail and general newsgroups for a couple of months in preparation
> for the move to--hopefully--lower my ASA usage during and after the
> install.
>
> As I have very rudimentary need for a calendar, I was looking forward
> to--possibly--having the new Windows Mail enabling me to stop using
> Outlook. I currently use OE for mail and Outlook for calendar and contacts
> (the contact portion is only so I can sync with my pda).
>
> Assuming whatever the sync replacement is works with Windows Mail it would
> seem to me that I'll have no need to install Outlook. From what I've
> read, it seems that Vista will retain my programs etc when I do the
> install. My question is, will it--seeing both Outlook and Outlook Express
> on my system allow me to pick which one it takes its data from or will it
> simply do nothing until I "tell" it to import from one or the other? I'm
> trying to set myself up for the easiest migration and wonder if it's best
> to have the program do it automatically or if I'd be better off, for
> example, to make sure I've got everything I want in OE files, move them to
> my external hard drive and then manually "get" them after the Vista Mail
> installation is complete.
>
> Thought, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>

So, is it my understanding that WMDC only allows syncing of contact and
calendar data to Outlook, rather than Windows Mail or Calendar? If i'm
reading that correctly, it basically makes Win Mail and Calendar useless (and
the Gadgets I was hopoing to take advantage of).

Bummer...

Dave Ratliff

"Jim Pickering" wrote:

> After you install Vista and open Windows Mail and create a mail account, you
> will be afforded an opportunity to import your existing mail messages from
> either Outlook or Outlook Express 6, Exchange, etc.
>
> You will not be able to import directly into the Windows calendar your
> Outlook calendar information, although the Help files indicate you should be
> able to use Google's calendar application to do some rudimentary copying of
> the info. But info you've already entered into Outlook's calendar will
> still remain for synching with mobile devices.
>
> Since Windows Mail does not use the old Windows Address Book, but instead
> lumps all your Contacts into the Contacts folder, you will not have any
> problems with an old wab file. Double clicking a wab file will result in a
> dialog asking if you wish to import the info in the wab file into the
> Contacts folder.
>
> Synching settings are set via Windows Mobile Device Center and your Vista
> computer so Outlook still has a function. Whether or not you install it is
> a matter of choice after you review the available options in Vista. Good
> luck.
> --
> Jim Pickering, MVP/Windows Mail applications
> Please reply ONLY to newsgroup.
>
>
> "Tim Scott Mathews" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> news:nG8lh.106571$hn.87650@edtnps82...
> > I'll be moving to Vista when it becomes available and have been reading
> > both the mail and general newsgroups for a couple of months in preparation
> > for the move to--hopefully--lower my ASA usage during and after the
> > install.
> >
> > As I have very rudimentary need for a calendar, I was looking forward
> > to--possibly--having the new Windows Mail enabling me to stop using
> > Outlook. I currently use OE for mail and Outlook for calendar and contacts
> > (the contact portion is only so I can sync with my pda).
> >
> > Assuming whatever the sync replacement is works with Windows Mail it would
> > seem to me that I'll have no need to install Outlook. From what I've
> > read, it seems that Vista will retain my programs etc when I do the
> > install. My question is, will it--seeing both Outlook and Outlook Express
> > on my system allow me to pick which one it takes its data from or will it
> > simply do nothing until I "tell" it to import from one or the other? I'm
> > trying to set myself up for the easiest migration and wonder if it's best
> > to have the program do it automatically or if I'd be better off, for
> > example, to make sure I've got everything I want in OE files, move them to
> > my external hard drive and then manually "get" them after the Vista Mail
> > installation is complete.
> >
> > Thought, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tim
> >
> >
>

Well, the Office team (who write Outlook and other bloviated programs) do
not speak to the other "minions" at Microsoft who write such simple programs
as Windows (in all its permutations). They also don't seem to give a damn
when a rewrite or upgrade of one of their "pet" creatures in the Office
Suite creates problems for other built in programs in Windows. The entire
Office team needs to be re acquainted with reality, but since Marketing
drives the ship of "Microsoft" these days, I would not hold my breath
waiting for any significant change. Sorry.

The calendaring in Windows and the option in Office do not "speak" to one
another. Why? Who knows? It might have taken a moment or two for some
programmer for the Office team to ask a Windows programmer how to integrate
it, but nah........., couldn't be bothered. Let someone else figure it out.
--
Jim Pickering
MVP-Windows Mail applications
Please reply only to the newsgroup.


"DRATliff" <ninjarat@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:93F497F8-C4F0-4B65-81A5-9EE4831094F2@microsoft.com...
> So, is it my understanding that WMDC only allows syncing of contact and
> calendar data to Outlook, rather than Windows Mail or Calendar? If i'm
> reading that correctly, it basically makes Win Mail and Calendar useless
> (and
> the Gadgets I was hopoing to take advantage of).
>
> Bummer...
>
> Dave Ratliff
>
> "Jim Pickering" wrote:
>
>> After you install Vista and open Windows Mail and create a mail account,
>> you
>> will be afforded an opportunity to import your existing mail messages
>> from
>> either Outlook or Outlook Express 6, Exchange, etc.
>>
>> You will not be able to import directly into the Windows calendar your
>> Outlook calendar information, although the Help files indicate you should
>> be
>> able to use Google's calendar application to do some rudimentary copying
>> of
>> the info. But info you've already entered into Outlook's calendar will
>> still remain for synching with mobile devices.
>>
>> Since Windows Mail does not use the old Windows Address Book, but instead
>> lumps all your Contacts into the Contacts folder, you will not have any
>> problems with an old wab file. Double clicking a wab file will result in
>> a
>> dialog asking if you wish to import the info in the wab file into the
>> Contacts folder.
>>
>> Synching settings are set via Windows Mobile Device Center and your Vista
>> computer so Outlook still has a function. Whether or not you install it
>> is
>> a matter of choice after you review the available options in Vista. Good
>> luck.
>> --
>> Jim Pickering, MVP/Windows Mail applications
>> Please reply ONLY to newsgroup.
>>
>>
>> "Tim Scott Mathews" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
>> news:nG8lh.106571$hn.87650@edtnps82...
>> > I'll be moving to Vista when it becomes available and have been reading
>> > both the mail and general newsgroups for a couple of months in
>> > preparation
>> > for the move to--hopefully--lower my ASA usage during and after the
>> > install.
>> >
>> > As I have very rudimentary need for a calendar, I was looking forward
>> > to--possibly--having the new Windows Mail enabling me to stop using
>> > Outlook. I currently use OE for mail and Outlook for calendar and
>> > contacts
>> > (the contact portion is only so I can sync with my pda).
>> >
>> > Assuming whatever the sync replacement is works with Windows Mail it
>> > would
>> > seem to me that I'll have no need to install Outlook. From what I've
>> > read, it seems that Vista will retain my programs etc when I do the
>> > install. My question is, will it--seeing both Outlook and Outlook
>> > Express
>> > on my system allow me to pick which one it takes its data from or will
>> > it
>> > simply do nothing until I "tell" it to import from one or the other?
>> > I'm
>> > trying to set myself up for the easiest migration and wonder if it's
>> > best
>> > to have the program do it automatically or if I'd be better off, for
>> > example, to make sure I've got everything I want in OE files, move them
>> > to
>> > my external hard drive and then manually "get" them after the Vista
>> > Mail
>> > installation is complete.
>> >
>> > Thought, anyone?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Tim
>> >
>> >
>>

Thanks Jim, for your no-holds barred response. Just seems odd that a new
and improved feature, of a new and improved OS is getting less than just
deserts.

*sigh* Guess I'll go back to using Outlook, and forget the additional bloat
added (and unused) in Vista.

One step forward...two steps back, anyone?

Dave Ratliff

"Jim Pickering" wrote:

> Well, the Office team (who write Outlook and other bloviated programs) do
> not speak to the other "minions" at Microsoft who write such simple programs
> as Windows (in all its permutations). They also don't seem to give a damn
> when a rewrite or upgrade of one of their "pet" creatures in the Office
> Suite creates problems for other built in programs in Windows. The entire
> Office team needs to be re acquainted with reality, but since Marketing
> drives the ship of "Microsoft" these days, I would not hold my breath
> waiting for any significant change. Sorry.
>
> The calendaring in Windows and the option in Office do not "speak" to one
> another. Why? Who knows? It might have taken a moment or two for some
> programmer for the Office team to ask a Windows programmer how to integrate
> it, but nah........., couldn't be bothered. Let someone else figure it out.
> --
> Jim Pickering
> MVP-Windows Mail applications
> Please reply only to the newsgroup.
>
>
> "DRATliff" <ninjarat@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:93F497F8-C4F0-4B65-81A5-9EE4831094F2@microsoft.com...
> > So, is it my understanding that WMDC only allows syncing of contact and
> > calendar data to Outlook, rather than Windows Mail or Calendar? If i'm
> > reading that correctly, it basically makes Win Mail and Calendar useless
> > (and
> > the Gadgets I was hopoing to take advantage of).
> >
> > Bummer...
> >
> > Dave Ratliff
> >
> > "Jim Pickering" wrote:
> >
> >> After you install Vista and open Windows Mail and create a mail account,
> >> you
> >> will be afforded an opportunity to import your existing mail messages
> >> from
> >> either Outlook or Outlook Express 6, Exchange, etc.
> >>
> >> You will not be able to import directly into the Windows calendar your
> >> Outlook calendar information, although the Help files indicate you should
> >> be
> >> able to use Google's calendar application to do some rudimentary copying
> >> of
> >> the info. But info you've already entered into Outlook's calendar will
> >> still remain for synching with mobile devices.
> >>
> >> Since Windows Mail does not use the old Windows Address Book, but instead
> >> lumps all your Contacts into the Contacts folder, you will not have any
> >> problems with an old wab file. Double clicking a wab file will result in
> >> a
> >> dialog asking if you wish to import the info in the wab file into the
> >> Contacts folder.
> >>
> >> Synching settings are set via Windows Mobile Device Center and your Vista
> >> computer so Outlook still has a function. Whether or not you install it
> >> is
> >> a matter of choice after you review the available options in Vista. Good
> >> luck.
> >> --
> >> Jim Pickering, MVP/Windows Mail applications
> >> Please reply ONLY to newsgroup.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Tim Scott Mathews" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:nG8lh.106571$hn.87650@edtnps82...
> >> > I'll be moving to Vista when it becomes available and have been reading
> >> > both the mail and general newsgroups for a couple of months in
> >> > preparation
> >> > for the move to--hopefully--lower my ASA usage during and after the
> >> > install.
> >> >
> >> > As I have very rudimentary need for a calendar, I was looking forward
> >> > to--possibly--having the new Windows Mail enabling me to stop using
> >> > Outlook. I currently use OE for mail and Outlook for calendar and
> >> > contacts
> >> > (the contact portion is only so I can sync with my pda).
> >> >
> >> > Assuming whatever the sync replacement is works with Windows Mail it
> >> > would
> >> > seem to me that I'll have no need to install Outlook. From what I've
> >> > read, it seems that Vista will retain my programs etc when I do the
> >> > install. My question is, will it--seeing both Outlook and Outlook
> >> > Express
> >> > on my system allow me to pick which one it takes its data from or will
> >> > it
> >> > simply do nothing until I "tell" it to import from one or the other?
> >> > I'm
> >> > trying to set myself up for the easiest migration and wonder if it's
> >> > best
> >> > to have the program do it automatically or if I'd be better off, for
> >> > example, to make sure I've got everything I want in OE files, move them
> >> > to
> >> > my external hard drive and then manually "get" them after the Vista
> >> > Mail
> >> > installation is complete.
> >> >
> >> > Thought, anyone?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Tim
> >> >
> >> >
> >>