Vista - Absolutely staggering

Yes, Ian, we're watching you. In fact I'm warming up my black helicopter as
we speak!

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Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

"Ian H" <Ian@rugger.net> wrote in message
news:%23XbRBI6QHHA.3444@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> You are Definately 'missing' the BigPicture of what is going on relating
> to 'new' OperatingSystems from MicroSoft.
>
> You are leaving out the one 'party' who is much more interested, the
> government and 'all' its sub-agencies.
> The 'bigPicture' isnt about the product, its about the 'signs' that will
> be
> seen/noted at the coming of the end of the age.
>
> Even programmers are nothing more than people who know nothing about
> the inner workings of an internal combustion engine.. and they also dont
> know how to fit a 'clothes-dryer' to a wall using a drill and plugs.
> Everyone is good at something, but not everyone knows everthing.
>
> The internet is about 'Gathering Information'...... even a dweeb can see
> that.
> Its all about where all the 'information' goes.
> Bill 'bowed-out' of micro recently, and cited his reasons, , do any
> here
> think he was a 'little co-erced'. (the fbi and etc can be somewhat
> intimi-
> dating sometimes.. and the use of a firearm is fully available to them.)
>
> Seriously, I dont get half you people here.
>
> Yes, Vista is 'Fulla-Bugs'. Yes, its sole purpose is to 'gather
> information',
> and people who rush out to buy it are their own worse enemies.
> There is Nothing the average Joe cant do on Win98..... and the average
> joe is only interested in doing 'simple' things.
> Buuuut, Vista/XP doesnt want 'joe' to know that it is on a 'fact-finding'
> mission............ hell, I'm prolly being logged for simply typing
> this.
>
> On ozzie telly this morning, a guy was shown who was called the ::::
> "gadget-guy", and it was his job to 'promote' Vista.
> He went between 3 computers and screens, and the only topic he came up
> with for all three camera shots was this;;;
> :The mums and dads will be able to better organise their photos and
> favourite music:
> What a Croc!!!!!!!
>
> He even had two American Microsoft Reps flanking him on either side as
> he moved from computer to computer............
> Not ONE of any of them talked 'turkey' regarding how much memory may
> be required, or 'will my current cpu handle it' and etc etc.
> NOPE, they were only interested in telling us stooooooopid aussies how
> much better we can organise the family portraits and how much easier it
> will be to find your favourite Neil Sedaka album.....
>
> What a Croc!
>
> Hey Feds, clock me as an 'anti vista', sorry (NOT) if I opened some
> peoples awareness.
> Oh, and heres the real 'deal-sealer', ....... YOU, the public have
> to
> actually PAY to be monitored 24/7........
> How sorry I feel for joe.
>
> Smart move Bill, getting out to 'pursue' other interests. But both of us
> know, it was get out, or dont breathe.
>
> Ian H
>
> oh well.
>
> Ian H
> "Danny" <me@there.com> wrote in message
> news:Jagqh.52157$KT2.48988@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>> And in fact I'm rather lost for words by it.
>>
>> With Outlook Express on XP, the email inbox, like all other folders, was
>> stored as a single chunk DBX file. It was not accessed when one opened OE
>> unless they had specifically chosen to do so.
>>
>> Put simply, this meant OE opened extremely quickly as it only opened the
>> shell of the program, and did not retrieve its guts unless the user went
>> there of their own volition.
>>
>> However, moving forward to Windows Mail and I can't quite believe the
>> backwards steps MS have taken here. Not only have they, in their wisdom,
>> converted the former DBX into an individual array of each message
>> individually saved as an eml file, but they have also (apparently) made
>> Windows Mail access this collection by default on opening the app (I can
> see
>> no option to avoid this), and for those who have thousands of messages,
> made
>> Windows Mail incredibly slow as a result.
>>
>> I am really hoping I am missing something massive here, because it seems
>> astonishing to me that MS felt this was a better and more efficient way
>> to
>> manage the email stores and email app than how OE did it.
>>
>> Can someone shed light on this?
>>
>
>

I hear the snakes are bugged and the Kangaroos have been trained in counter
espionage.

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:8199D4AE-8B03-45A9-86D1-62EA7F75CA63@microsoft.com...
> Yes, Ian, we're watching you. In fact I'm warming up my black helicopter
> as we speak!
>
> --
>
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
> "Ian H" <Ian@rugger.net> wrote in message
> news:%23XbRBI6QHHA.3444@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> You are Definately 'missing' the BigPicture of what is going on relating
>> to 'new' OperatingSystems from MicroSoft.
>>
>> You are leaving out the one 'party' who is much more interested, the
>> government and 'all' its sub-agencies.
>> The 'bigPicture' isnt about the product, its about the 'signs' that will
>> be
>> seen/noted at the coming of the end of the age.
>>
>> Even programmers are nothing more than people who know nothing about
>> the inner workings of an internal combustion engine.. and they also dont
>> know how to fit a 'clothes-dryer' to a wall using a drill and plugs.
>> Everyone is good at something, but not everyone knows everthing.
>>
>> The internet is about 'Gathering Information'...... even a dweeb can
>> see
>> that.
>> Its all about where all the 'information' goes.
>> Bill 'bowed-out' of micro recently, and cited his reasons, , do any
>> here
>> think he was a 'little co-erced'. (the fbi and etc can be somewhat
>> intimi-
>> dating sometimes.. and the use of a firearm is fully available to
>> them.)
>>
>> Seriously, I dont get half you people here.
>>
>> Yes, Vista is 'Fulla-Bugs'. Yes, its sole purpose is to 'gather
>> information',
>> and people who rush out to buy it are their own worse enemies.
>> There is Nothing the average Joe cant do on Win98..... and the average
>> joe is only interested in doing 'simple' things.
>> Buuuut, Vista/XP doesnt want 'joe' to know that it is on a 'fact-finding'
>> mission............ hell, I'm prolly being logged for simply typing
>> this.
>>
>> On ozzie telly this morning, a guy was shown who was called the ::::
>> "gadget-guy", and it was his job to 'promote' Vista.
>> He went between 3 computers and screens, and the only topic he came up
>> with for all three camera shots was this;;;
>> :The mums and dads will be able to better organise their photos and
>> favourite music:
>> What a Croc!!!!!!!
>>
>> He even had two American Microsoft Reps flanking him on either side as
>> he moved from computer to computer............
>> Not ONE of any of them talked 'turkey' regarding how much memory may
>> be required, or 'will my current cpu handle it' and etc etc.
>> NOPE, they were only interested in telling us stooooooopid aussies how
>> much better we can organise the family portraits and how much easier it
>> will be to find your favourite Neil Sedaka album.....
>>
>> What a Croc!
>>
>> Hey Feds, clock me as an 'anti vista', sorry (NOT) if I opened some
>> peoples awareness.
>> Oh, and heres the real 'deal-sealer', ....... YOU, the public have
>> to
>> actually PAY to be monitored 24/7........
>> How sorry I feel for joe.
>>
>> Smart move Bill, getting out to 'pursue' other interests. But both of
>> us
>> know, it was get out, or dont breathe.
>>
>> Ian H
>>
>> oh well.
>>
>> Ian H
>> "Danny" <me@there.com> wrote in message
>> news:Jagqh.52157$KT2.48988@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>> And in fact I'm rather lost for words by it.
>>>
>>> With Outlook Express on XP, the email inbox, like all other folders, was
>>> stored as a single chunk DBX file. It was not accessed when one opened
>>> OE
>>> unless they had specifically chosen to do so.
>>>
>>> Put simply, this meant OE opened extremely quickly as it only opened the
>>> shell of the program, and did not retrieve its guts unless the user went
>>> there of their own volition.
>>>
>>> However, moving forward to Windows Mail and I can't quite believe the
>>> backwards steps MS have taken here. Not only have they, in their wisdom,
>>> converted the former DBX into an individual array of each message
>>> individually saved as an eml file, but they have also (apparently) made
>>> Windows Mail access this collection by default on opening the app (I can
>> see
>>> no option to avoid this), and for those who have thousands of messages,
>> made
>>> Windows Mail incredibly slow as a result.
>>>
>>> I am really hoping I am missing something massive here, because it seems
>>> astonishing to me that MS felt this was a better and more efficient way
>>> to
>>> manage the email stores and email app than how OE did it.
>>>
>>> Can someone shed light on this?
>>>
>>
>>
>

I’m just followed to this post because I noticed is related but sorry if I
replied to the wrong one, I hope if someone experiencing the same issue can
check and see if they are getting the following error;
After Importing about 800 contacts, 5000+ messages and 15 email accounts,
including 5 IMAP with multiple folders from OE under XP to WM under Vista,
everything seems like is working fine in fact it is fast, but I keep getting
the following warning and I don't know how to get rid of:
############################################
WinMail (3828) WindowsMail0: A request to write to the file
"C:\Users\user_FB\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail\edb.log" at offset
117248 (0x000000000001ca00) for 512 (0x00000200) bytes succeeded, but took an
abnormally long time (4678 seconds) to be serviced by the OS. This problem is
likely due to faulty hardware. Please contact your hardware vendor for
further assistance diagnosing the problem.
############################################

The new vista system is a Dell PC and it has been tested both locally and
remotely and it was determined that there are not hardware issues and all
drivers are working properly.
I appreciate if someone can assist me with this issue.
Thanks
Abigail


"Danny" wrote:

Abigail

How large is the edb.log file and what is it logging. Can you post the answer here

Do a Search for edb.log

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"Abigail" <Abigail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Abigail

I am not asking you to post it. I am asking you the size of it ( right click and
Properties ). That will show the size. Also what is the log file of ( i.e.
installation etc etc )

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"Abigail" <Abigail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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