Vista - Windows Mail Backup Empty

I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore" fix to get
rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email. But, I
have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty. I do not
want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.

How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?

You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you where). So
don't worry about it.
"BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A240D7C1-EFF0-4D6B-8E5A-2EF4D7AB8443@microsoft.com...
>I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore" fix to
>get
> rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email. But,
> I
> have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty. I do
> not
> want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.
>
> How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?

after i do the fix, I mean.

"." wrote:

> You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
> replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you where). So
> don't worry about it.
> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A240D7C1-EFF0-4D6B-8E5A-2EF4D7AB8443@microsoft.com...
> >I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore" fix to
> >get
> > rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email. But,
> > I
> > have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty. I do
> > not
> > want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.
> >
> > How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?
>
>

There should be a backup. I don;t know why you don't have one. The messages
are there in individual files. You have to delete the index and the backup
of the Index (else it will fix your deletion by using the backup of the
index).

When you restart Winmail it will spend up to several hours looking at each
message and rebuilding the index from scratch. The files will be in a new
folder (called Recovered Messages) in OE, not their old folders. You can
interupt the rebuilding (by closing Winmail) without any problems, it just
restarts next time you start Winmail.

This is not something to do lightly. It's a major hassle and hours of work
(but I'm not patient), though Winmail does all the work. As long as you only
delete the messagestore files (you have 1, most have 2). And I suggestif you
have lots of messages you watch TV and let winmail do it;s thing.


"BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E7A97765-63F8-4C55-AE3E-F57C715BA551@microsoft.com...
> after i do the fix, I mean.
>
> "." wrote:
>
>> You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
>> replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you where).
>> So
>> don't worry about it.
>> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:A240D7C1-EFF0-4D6B-8E5A-2EF4D7AB8443@microsoft.com...
>> >I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore" fix
>> >to
>> >get
>> > rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email.
>> > But,
>> > I
>> > have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty. I
>> > do
>> > not
>> > want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.
>> >
>> > How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?
>>
>>

What if I copy/paste the messagestore file into my backup file?

I think if you leave the messagestore in your backup file, delete the main
message store, and then reboot, all is fixed, and you can then send email
again. It's supposed to be a quick fix.

"." wrote:

> There should be a backup. I don;t know why you don't have one. The messages
> are there in individual files. You have to delete the index and the backup
> of the Index (else it will fix your deletion by using the backup of the
> index).
>
> When you restart Winmail it will spend up to several hours looking at each
> message and rebuilding the index from scratch. The files will be in a new
> folder (called Recovered Messages) in OE, not their old folders. You can
> interupt the rebuilding (by closing Winmail) without any problems, it just
> restarts next time you start Winmail.
>
> This is not something to do lightly. It's a major hassle and hours of work
> (but I'm not patient), though Winmail does all the work. As long as you only
> delete the messagestore files (you have 1, most have 2). And I suggestif you
> have lots of messages you watch TV and let winmail do it;s thing.
>
>
> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E7A97765-63F8-4C55-AE3E-F57C715BA551@microsoft.com...
> > after i do the fix, I mean.
> >
> > "." wrote:
> >
> >> You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
> >> replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you where).
> >> So
> >> don't worry about it.
> >> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:A240D7C1-EFF0-4D6B-8E5A-2EF4D7AB8443@microsoft.com...
> >> >I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore" fix
> >> >to
> >> >get
> >> > rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email.
> >> > But,
> >> > I
> >> > have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty. I
> >> > do
> >> > not
> >> > want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.
> >> >
> >> > How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?
> >>
> >>
>
>

There is no point. Your backup is missing, but if it wasn't it would be
wrong. Because it will be same or similar (have the same thing you are
trying to get rid of anyway) it will have the same message in it.

The time for me was for many tens of thousands of messages plus it wanted to
do all the newsgroup posts (20 - 30.000) as well. Perhaps remove the
newsgroups (they aren't really usable - they become like posts you have
archieved) from Winmail so they don't need to be recovered.

You also lose certainly the newsgroups accounts, and I think the mail as
well. So look up your settings.

I spent some effort trying to find an easier way. I didn't have a problem.
But I regretted doing it. I have not fully got back yet (I have another 10
mins of work to do) as after 1 hour I was bored. That was a month ago but I
can't bring myself to continue. So I have to search google instead of
Winmail. One day I'll get around to it.

Computers are just too hard to use. It should know and fix itself. I hate
drilling down through things millions of times a day.
"BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F0DB5922-1CBB-427B-96D4-607A10A06B37@microsoft.com...
> What if I copy/paste the messagestore file into my backup file?
>
> I think if you leave the messagestore in your backup file, delete the main
> message store, and then reboot, all is fixed, and you can then send email
> again. It's supposed to be a quick fix.
>
> "." wrote:
>
>> There should be a backup. I don;t know why you don't have one. The
>> messages
>> are there in individual files. You have to delete the index and the
>> backup
>> of the Index (else it will fix your deletion by using the backup of the
>> index).
>>
>> When you restart Winmail it will spend up to several hours looking at
>> each
>> message and rebuilding the index from scratch. The files will be in a new
>> folder (called Recovered Messages) in OE, not their old folders. You can
>> interupt the rebuilding (by closing Winmail) without any problems, it
>> just
>> restarts next time you start Winmail.
>>
>> This is not something to do lightly. It's a major hassle and hours of
>> work
>> (but I'm not patient), though Winmail does all the work. As long as you
>> only
>> delete the messagestore files (you have 1, most have 2). And I suggestif
>> you
>> have lots of messages you watch TV and let winmail do it;s thing.
>>
>>
>> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E7A97765-63F8-4C55-AE3E-F57C715BA551@microsoft.com...
>> > after i do the fix, I mean.
>> >
>> > "." wrote:
>> >
>> >> You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
>> >> replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you
>> >> where).
>> >> So
>> >> don't worry about it.
>> >> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:A240D7C1-EFF0-4D6B-8E5A-2EF4D7AB8443@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore"
>> >> >fix
>> >> >to
>> >> >get
>> >> > rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email.
>> >> > But,
>> >> > I
>> >> > have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty.
>> >> > I
>> >> > do
>> >> > not
>> >> > want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.
>> >> >
>> >> > How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

Computer are not too hard to use. I don't think your answers are correct. I
wish some other folks would reply to this thread.

"." wrote:

> There is no point. Your backup is missing, but if it wasn't it would be
> wrong. Because it will be same or similar (have the same thing you are
> trying to get rid of anyway) it will have the same message in it.
>
> The time for me was for many tens of thousands of messages plus it wanted to
> do all the newsgroup posts (20 - 30.000) as well. Perhaps remove the
> newsgroups (they aren't really usable - they become like posts you have
> archieved) from Winmail so they don't need to be recovered.
>
> You also lose certainly the newsgroups accounts, and I think the mail as
> well. So look up your settings.
>
> I spent some effort trying to find an easier way. I didn't have a problem.
> But I regretted doing it. I have not fully got back yet (I have another 10
> mins of work to do) as after 1 hour I was bored. That was a month ago but I
> can't bring myself to continue. So I have to search google instead of
> Winmail. One day I'll get around to it.
>
> Computers are just too hard to use. It should know and fix itself. I hate
> drilling down through things millions of times a day.
> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F0DB5922-1CBB-427B-96D4-607A10A06B37@microsoft.com...
> > What if I copy/paste the messagestore file into my backup file?
> >
> > I think if you leave the messagestore in your backup file, delete the main
> > message store, and then reboot, all is fixed, and you can then send email
> > again. It's supposed to be a quick fix.
> >
> > "." wrote:
> >
> >> There should be a backup. I don;t know why you don't have one. The
> >> messages
> >> are there in individual files. You have to delete the index and the
> >> backup
> >> of the Index (else it will fix your deletion by using the backup of the
> >> index).
> >>
> >> When you restart Winmail it will spend up to several hours looking at
> >> each
> >> message and rebuilding the index from scratch. The files will be in a new
> >> folder (called Recovered Messages) in OE, not their old folders. You can
> >> interupt the rebuilding (by closing Winmail) without any problems, it
> >> just
> >> restarts next time you start Winmail.
> >>
> >> This is not something to do lightly. It's a major hassle and hours of
> >> work
> >> (but I'm not patient), though Winmail does all the work. As long as you
> >> only
> >> delete the messagestore files (you have 1, most have 2). And I suggestif
> >> you
> >> have lots of messages you watch TV and let winmail do it;s thing.
> >>
> >>
> >> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:E7A97765-63F8-4C55-AE3E-F57C715BA551@microsoft.com...
> >> > after i do the fix, I mean.
> >> >
> >> > "." wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
> >> >> replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you
> >> >> where).
> >> >> So
> >> >> don't worry about it.
> >> >> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:A240D7C1-EFF0-4D6B-8E5A-2EF4D7AB8443@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore"
> >> >> >fix
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >get
> >> >> > rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email.
> >> >> > But,
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty.
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > do
> >> >> > not
> >> >> > want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Fine, but I've been using this program since it came out in version 1 in
1995 or 1996.

"BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:99ADA0C3-9B5D-4C25-9B83-7DEE70DA9EC9@microsoft.com...
> Computer are not too hard to use. I don't think your answers are correct.
> I
> wish some other folks would reply to this thread.
>
> "." wrote:
>
>> There is no point. Your backup is missing, but if it wasn't it would be
>> wrong. Because it will be same or similar (have the same thing you are
>> trying to get rid of anyway) it will have the same message in it.
>>
>> The time for me was for many tens of thousands of messages plus it wanted
>> to
>> do all the newsgroup posts (20 - 30.000) as well. Perhaps remove the
>> newsgroups (they aren't really usable - they become like posts you have
>> archieved) from Winmail so they don't need to be recovered.
>>
>> You also lose certainly the newsgroups accounts, and I think the mail as
>> well. So look up your settings.
>>
>> I spent some effort trying to find an easier way. I didn't have a
>> problem.
>> But I regretted doing it. I have not fully got back yet (I have another
>> 10
>> mins of work to do) as after 1 hour I was bored. That was a month ago but
>> I
>> can't bring myself to continue. So I have to search google instead of
>> Winmail. One day I'll get around to it.
>>
>> Computers are just too hard to use. It should know and fix itself. I hate
>> drilling down through things millions of times a day.
>> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F0DB5922-1CBB-427B-96D4-607A10A06B37@microsoft.com...
>> > What if I copy/paste the messagestore file into my backup file?
>> >
>> > I think if you leave the messagestore in your backup file, delete the
>> > main
>> > message store, and then reboot, all is fixed, and you can then send
>> > email
>> > again. It's supposed to be a quick fix.
>> >
>> > "." wrote:
>> >
>> >> There should be a backup. I don;t know why you don't have one. The
>> >> messages
>> >> are there in individual files. You have to delete the index and the
>> >> backup
>> >> of the Index (else it will fix your deletion by using the backup of
>> >> the
>> >> index).
>> >>
>> >> When you restart Winmail it will spend up to several hours looking at
>> >> each
>> >> message and rebuilding the index from scratch. The files will be in a
>> >> new
>> >> folder (called Recovered Messages) in OE, not their old folders. You
>> >> can
>> >> interupt the rebuilding (by closing Winmail) without any problems, it
>> >> just
>> >> restarts next time you start Winmail.
>> >>
>> >> This is not something to do lightly. It's a major hassle and hours of
>> >> work
>> >> (but I'm not patient), though Winmail does all the work. As long as
>> >> you
>> >> only
>> >> delete the messagestore files (you have 1, most have 2). And I
>> >> suggestif
>> >> you
>> >> have lots of messages you watch TV and let winmail do it;s thing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:E7A97765-63F8-4C55-AE3E-F57C715BA551@microsoft.com...
>> >> > after i do the fix, I mean.
>> >> >
>> >> > "." wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you
>> >> >> where).
>> >> >> So
>> >> >> don't worry about it.
>> >> >> "BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:A240D7C1-EFF0-4D6B-8E5A-2EF4D7AB8443@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore"
>> >> >> >fix
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >get
>> >> >> > rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send
>> >> >> > email.
>> >> >> > But,
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is
>> >> >> > empty.
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > do
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

In order for the regeneration process to work, both copies
of the MessageStore file need to be deleted. It isn't
necessary, but for your peace of mind you could save a
copy of that file to another directory, or just drag it to the
desktop.

Gary VanderMolen

"BearySarah" <BearySarah@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:99ADA0C3-9B5D-4C25-9B83-7DEE70DA9EC9@microsoft.com...
> Computer are not too hard to use. I don't think your answers are correct. I
> wish some other folks would reply to this thread.
>
> "." wrote:
>
>> There is no point. Your backup is missing, but if it wasn't it would be
>> wrong. Because it will be same or similar (have the same thing you are
>> trying to get rid of anyway) it will have the same message in it.

1995 Windows Exchange 4.0
1996 Windows Internet Mail Service Update adding pop3 flexibility to
Exchange
1996 Windows Messaging(upgrade patch and Exchange name change to avoid
confusion with Exchange server nomenclature)
1996 Internet Mail and News(shortly after IE 3.0) - version 1.0
1997 Outlook Express 4.0 (included in IE4)
2007 Windows Mail


<.> wrote in message news:u6Ou339cHHA.2088@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Fine, but I've been using this program since it came out in version 1 in
> 1995 or 1996.