Vista - Re: Windows Mail dead after updates

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~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

Michael wrote:
> I downloaded updates KB931768, KB890830, KB934062, KB934393, and KB931906
> back in may and after they were installed it made Windows Mail extremely
> slow and very unresponive. Since I could not uninstall the updates with
> Windows Vista Home premium, I did a system restore and it was back to
> normal. I tried downloading again; this time with out the optional
> updates
> and it killed Windows Mail again. Did a system restore and it was fixed
> again. Could Macafee Antivirus and firewall be affecting my download or is
> there another problem?
>
> Please Help!!??,
>
> Michael

Are you running Spybot? If so, go into its Immunize option and
undo immunize.
Spybot's immunize function adds some 8000 sites to the
restricted sites list in Internet Explorer, which can adversely affect
HTML email composition.

Gary VanderMolen


"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:#fDObIssHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Forwarded to Vista Mail newsgroup via crosspost.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
> AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
>
> Michael wrote:
>> I downloaded updates KB931768, KB890830, KB934062, KB934393, and KB931906
>> back in may and after they were installed it made Windows Mail extremely
>> slow and very unresponive. Since I could not uninstall the updates with
>> Windows Vista Home premium, I did a system restore and it was back to
>> normal. I tried downloading again; this time with out the optional updates
>> and it killed Windows Mail again. Did a system restore and it was fixed
>> again. Could Macafee Antivirus and firewall be affecting my download or is
>> there another problem?
>>
>> Please Help!!??,
>>
>> Michael
>

Hey Gary,

Thanks for the response. I am running Spybot and will try your suggestion
when I get home. I also run Spyware Blaster and Spyware Doctor which have
immunization, do I need to turn them off also? I also do not have Spybot run
during start up so it is not active unless I bring it up, is the immunization
of these programs active, even though the programs are off and not running in
the back ground? And if the immunization is still active how do I get rid of
it?

Thanks for your help,

Michael



"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

> Are you running Spybot? If so, go into its Immunize option and
> undo immunize.
> Spybot's immunize function adds some 8000 sites to the
> restricted sites list in Internet Explorer, which can adversely affect
> HTML email composition.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:#fDObIssHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > Forwarded to Vista Mail newsgroup via crosspost.
> > --
> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
> > AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
> >
> > Michael wrote:
> >> I downloaded updates KB931768, KB890830, KB934062, KB934393, and KB931906
> >> back in may and after they were installed it made Windows Mail extremely
> >> slow and very unresponive. Since I could not uninstall the updates with
> >> Windows Vista Home premium, I did a system restore and it was back to
> >> normal. I tried downloading again; this time with out the optional updates
> >> and it killed Windows Mail again. Did a system restore and it was fixed
> >> again. Could Macafee Antivirus and firewall be affecting my download or is
> >> there another problem?
> >>
> >> Please Help!!??,
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
>
>

Sorry, I'm not that familiar with third party security products.
I do know that the "immunize" condition persists even with Spybot
not running.

Gary VanderMolen


"Michael" <Michael@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6A535928-C8A0-4758-8764-87CFCFB43CD8@microsoft.com...
> Hey Gary,
>
> Thanks for the response. I am running Spybot and will try your suggestion
> when I get home. I also run Spyware Blaster and Spyware Doctor which have
> immunization, do I need to turn them off also? I also do not have Spybot run
> during start up so it is not active unless I bring it up, is the immunization
> of these programs active, even though the programs are off and not running in
> the back ground? And if the immunization is still active how do I get rid of
> it?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
>> Are you running Spybot? If so, go into its Immunize option and
>> undo immunize.
>> Spybot's immunize function adds some 8000 sites to the
>> restricted sites list in Internet Explorer, which can adversely affect
>> HTML email composition.
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:#fDObIssHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > Forwarded to Vista Mail newsgroup via crosspost.
>> > --
>> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> > MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
>> > AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
>> >
>> > Michael wrote:
>> >> I downloaded updates KB931768, KB890830, KB934062, KB934393, and KB931906
>> >> back in may and after they were installed it made Windows Mail extremely
>> >> slow and very unresponive. Since I could not uninstall the updates with
>> >> Windows Vista Home premium, I did a system restore and it was back to
>> >> normal. I tried downloading again; this time with out the optional updates
>> >> and it killed Windows Mail again. Did a system restore and it was fixed
>> >> again. Could Macafee Antivirus and firewall be affecting my download or is
>> >> there another problem?
>> >>
>> >> Please Help!!??,
>> >>
>> >> Michael
>> >
>>
>>

Spyware Blaster sets killbits for ActiveX objects and has no impact on
this issue. Not sure about Spyware Doctor so, you should check either
it's Help files or website for more info. It it puts sites in the
Restricted zone then it will have an impact.

Gary is spot on with his take on Spybot.

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

Michael wrote:

> Hey Gary,
>
> Thanks for the response. I am running Spybot and will try your suggestion
> when I get home. I also run Spyware Blaster and Spyware Doctor which have
> immunization, do I need to turn them off also? I also do not have Spybot run
> during start up so it is not active unless I bring it up, is the immunization
> of these programs active, even though the programs are off and not running in
> the back ground? And if the immunization is still active how do I get rid of
> it?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
>
>>Are you running Spybot? If so, go into its Immunize option and
>>undo immunize.
>>Spybot's immunize function adds some 8000 sites to the
>>restricted sites list in Internet Explorer, which can adversely affect
>>HTML email composition.
>>
>>Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>>"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:#fDObIssHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Forwarded to Vista Mail newsgroup via crosspost.
>>>--
>>>~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
>>>AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
>>>
>>>Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>>I downloaded updates KB931768, KB890830, KB934062, KB934393, and KB931906
>>>>back in may and after they were installed it made Windows Mail extremely
>>>>slow and very unresponive. Since I could not uninstall the updates with
>>>>Windows Vista Home premium, I did a system restore and it was back to
>>>>normal. I tried downloading again; this time with out the optional updates
>>>>and it killed Windows Mail again. Did a system restore and it was fixed
>>>>again. Could Macafee Antivirus and firewall be affecting my download or is
>>>>there another problem?
>>>>
>>>>Please Help!!??,
>>>>
>>>>Michael
>>>
>>

"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23fDObIssHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Forwarded to Vista Mail newsgroup via crosspost.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
> AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
>
> Michael wrote:
>> I downloaded updates KB931768, KB890830, KB934062, KB934393, and KB931906
>> back in may and after they were installed it made Windows Mail extremely
>> slow and very unresponive. Since I could not uninstall the updates with
>> Windows Vista Home premium, I did a system restore and it was back to
>> normal. I tried downloading again; this time with out the optional
>> updates
>> and it killed Windows Mail again. Did a system restore and it was fixed
>> again. Could Macafee Antivirus and firewall be affecting my download or
>> is
>> there another problem?
>>
>> Please Help!!??,
>>
>> Michael
>

McAfee and Norton are both incompatible with Windows Mail.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
Do not send mail.

I have had Macfee on since day one and have not had a problem. The problem
only developed after dowloading those aforementioned updates and Windows Mail
is working again after I did a system restore to get rid of the updates. I
really appreciate everyones help.

Michael




"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote:

> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23fDObIssHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > Forwarded to Vista Mail newsgroup via crosspost.
> > --
> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
> > AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
> >
> > Michael wrote:
> >> I downloaded updates KB931768, KB890830, KB934062, KB934393, and KB931906
> >> back in may and after they were installed it made Windows Mail extremely
> >> slow and very unresponive. Since I could not uninstall the updates with
> >> Windows Vista Home premium, I did a system restore and it was back to
> >> normal. I tried downloading again; this time with out the optional
> >> updates
> >> and it killed Windows Mail again. Did a system restore and it was fixed
> >> again. Could Macafee Antivirus and firewall be affecting my download or
> >> is
> >> there another problem?
> >>
> >> Please Help!!??,
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
>
> McAfee and Norton are both incompatible with Windows Mail.
>
> --
> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
> Do not send mail.
>

It it obvious from the messages in this forum that there is a serious issue
with Windows Mail,when are Microsoft going to admit to this and provide a fix
instead of making satements like Norton and McAfee are both incompatible with
Windows Mail, how about Windows Mail is incompatible with McAfee and Norton.
People are saying that they have had problem after downloading updates so
why not look into this and get back to us.??
It is true that removing the immunization on Spybot SD fixes the speed issue
but why did this not cause an issue when using Outlook Express, is it
something to do with the way Windows Mail handles Junk mail or some other
reason, it would be nice if you gave us an explanation of why immunization
causes this problem, after all immunization is intended to prevent dodgy
websites when using IE, not Windows Mail.???

Cheers.

Spybot S & D fully updated. All Microsoft updates successfully installed.
Spybot S & D immunization enabled. NO speed problems with Windows Mail or IE7.

--
I Bleed Blue and Gold
GO BEARS!


"Beast" <Beast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A139C083-3ACC-46E5-BDD5-D10B1E29F3FC@microsoft.com...
>
> It it obvious from the messages in this forum that there is a serious issue
> with Windows Mail,when are Microsoft going to admit to this and provide a fix
> instead of making satements like Norton and McAfee are both incompatible with
> Windows Mail, how about Windows Mail is incompatible with McAfee and Norton.
> People are saying that they have had problem after downloading updates so
> why not look into this and get back to us.??
> It is true that removing the immunization on Spybot SD fixes the speed issue
> but why did this not cause an issue when using Outlook Express, is it
> something to do with the way Windows Mail handles Junk mail or some other
> reason, it would be nice if you gave us an explanation of why immunization
> causes this problem, after all immunization is intended to prevent dodgy
> websites when using IE, not Windows Mail.???
>
> Cheers.
>

> ...when are Microsoft going to admit to this and provide a fix...

Windows Mail is pretty much dead-in-the-water, just like OE. All
development efforts are being put into Windows Live Mail now as a
replacement for both Windows Mail and OE.

> ...instead of making satements like Norton and McAfee are both
> incompatible with Windows Mail, how about Windows Mail is incompatible
> with
> McAfee and Norton.

We're all volunteers here, including MVPs who are just telling you what
they've learned from experience.

> It is true that removing the immunization on Spybot SD fixes the speed
> issue
> but why did this not cause an issue when using Outlook Express...

OE doesn't include a spam filter or updates for OL.

> ...it would be nice if you gave us an explanation of why immunization
> causes this problem...

See this recent, related discussion: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=26866
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

Beast wrote:
> It it obvious from the messages in this forum that there is a serious
> issue
> with Windows Mail,when are Microsoft going to admit to this and provide a
> fix instead of making satements like Norton and McAfee are both
> incompatible with Windows Mail, how about Windows Mail is incompatible
> with
> McAfee and Norton. People are saying that they have had problem after
> downloading updates so why not look into this and get back to us.??
> It is true that removing the immunization on Spybot SD fixes the speed
> issue
> but why did this not cause an issue when using Outlook Express, is it
> something to do with the way Windows Mail handles Junk mail or some other
> reason, it would be nice if you gave us an explanation of why immunization
> causes this problem, after all immunization is intended to prevent dodgy
> websites when using IE, not Windows Mail.???
>
> Cheers.